Many thanks to Anne Capewell - yes been there done that in that past and gone cross eyed trying all the permutations. Thanks again to Phil White who has helped me before with Henfield. It does beg the question as to whether a person could die without a death certificate being issued and no registration of the event and just buried in the ground (possibly consecrated) in some private burial location (they do exist all over the place) and the knowledge never passed on. Heavens above maybe my dear relative came to some untimely end. Now come on folks lets have some more thoughts. The Sun has just come out here in South Shropshire - the lull before yet another load of the wet stuff. Kind regards Mike Say