On 20/09/2013 09:43, Marion Woolgar wrote: > I have sent a reply direct to 'Lefayre' containing attachment files that I > hope that he/she will find useful. I also sent the following text: Thank you for sending the text. So many people post up to say "replied offlist" leaving the rest of us wondering what was contained in the reply and if it might have been of interest or help. I know attachments can't be sent to the list though. -- Connie http://oursalmons.wordpress.com/

All I can find is the history of the FAIR of St Lawrence as the patron saint of the village. Perhaps it was used as the alternative name for Hurstpierpoint? http://thesussexnewspaper.com/features/whats-on/3279-st-lawrence-fair-hurstpierpoint-2012.html Jean Wood http://www.cheziris.eu/Duterrau.htm http://www.saintes-fleur-de-sel.fr/index.htm > From: rosechal@iinet.net.au > To: SUSSEX-PLUS@rootsweb.com > Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 12:18:42 +0930 > Subject: [SXP] Hurstpierpoint - St Lawrence > > Hi Folks, > > > > Linda Price very nicely sent me some info from the National Burial Index > regarding my previous query on the MILES family. > > > > The burials are listed at Hurstpierpoint St Lawrence. Now I understand that > the parish church is Hoy Trinity and other than the school (St Lawrence C of > E) I can find no mention of St Lawrence in relation to the parish. > > > > Can anyone possibly explain the burial entry in the index as to where or > what was St Lawrence? In my case it relates to entries dated in 1824, 1825 > & 1836. > > > > Bye, > > > > Rosemary M Chalmers > > Darwin NT Australia > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SUSSEX-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have sent a reply direct to 'Lefayre' containing attachment files that I hope that he/she will find useful. I also sent the following text: Firstly, there may be wills and administrations in the Archdeaconry & Consistory Courts of Chichester that you cannot access online. So, I am sending you two files which list these probates pre-1800. When you compare this data with your existing research, hopefully there might be something that will provide a connection. If that is the case, then you can order copies from WSRO because you will have the reference that they need to locate the entry. You will find WSRO's scale of charges at http://www.westsussex.gov.uk/leisure/record_office_and_archives/our_services /copying.aspx . Secondly, I am attaching two files from the pedigrees compiled by William Berry and published in 1830. William Berry was a clerk at the College of Arms and he published a number of "County Genealogies"; however, you do have to be very careful to double-check everything that he says as he does make mistakes. You will see that these pages show not only the pedigree for two brothers, but also a description of the Arms and so you can compare those with the description that you already have. They key to finding Manorial records, such as the Court Baron, is to identify the Manors who held the land that they occupied. This is not easy as Manors sometimes held land in many different parishes, some very distant from one another. The way that I have overcome this problem in the past is to look at various wills for the particular parish and see if there is a mention of land being surrendered to a named Manor; or to check the maps and see if there is a 'stately home' or similar in the area as those families often controlled several Manors e.g. Cowdray near Midhurst once controlled over 20 individual Manors. Then I check catalogues to see if any records for that Manor have survived. The latter will be much easier once the National Register of Archives is available online, but meanwhile the WSRO SearchOnline catalogue, Archives Hub or A2A are often helpful. By the way, apart from the Commonwealth period, all Manorial records were written in Latin pre-1733 and that presents an entirely different problem. In essence, you are doing a very specialised piece of research and you are probably going to need someone quite experienced to locate the documents that you need to search and then to tease the relevant information out of the Latin text. WSRO does provide a research service and it might be useful to send them an E-mail to describe exactly what you are looking for and ask them for an estimate of cost to search the Manorial records for you. E-mail to records.office@westsussex.gov.uk . It is entirely possible that someone else has researched your particular problem in the past and has deposited their papers at WSRO. Also, Parham House is a well-known 'stately home' with a wide influence in the community and I know that there have been several very large deposits of documents from Parham to WSRO, because I have seen them. There is also a catalogue of Parham material on the open shelves at WSRO, although I am not sure how complete it is. So, if there is a connection between your own Palmer family and the Parham family, it may well be found in these records. Best wishes, Marion Woolgar Bognor Regis, West Sussex

Hi, if you go on the West Sussex County Council web page and look for record office and then click "search online catalogues" you will find lots of information on the Palmer family including Xerox copies of papers in the Somerset County record office relating to the Palmer family of Parham and Fairfield which includes a will of Thomas Palmer, 1579, marriage, settlement of Peregryn Palmer, 1659 and accounts of rents collected during the minority of William Palmer 1602-1610. Anybody with family in Sussex should try this site it's surprising what can turn up. Regards Heather Brooks

On 20 Sep at 4:52, "Lefayre" <lefayrep@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > Thank you Marion for your advice. > > > > We do have the Will for William Palmer who married Thomasin who died > in 1601 at Stoughton. The hope is to get back prior to that date. > > > > Many years ago Debrett's and the College of Arms did some work for us. > A number of family members put into the kitty for this it is far too > expensive for a singular person. > > The College did suggest looking at manorial rolls but the cost was > prohibitive is there any other way I can access them? Family Search has scanned a few manor rolls so they might have got round to some sort of transcription and you might be lucky with your manor. > I have recently discovered that a Peregrine Palmer of Fairfield in > Somerset held land at Stoughton and Upper Marden. This man came from > both the Palmers of Angmering and of Parham. As these families use the > same coat of arms that our John Palmer used we naturally wonder if > there is a connection. We have not ascertained through the College > John's right to do so as for our initial payment was used > investigating what we already knew and then the same large amount > requested to continue it was beyond our means. By and large, as some cousins of mine discovered, many of the duplicate arms were at the hands of jewellers or ceramicists eager to sell their wares. In order to establish a right to bear arms under the College's rules, you need to establish they had a common male line ancestor who was armigerous. So you are back to old fashioned genealogy. If the manor roll is in a County Record Office, the archivists there may put you in touch with a local person who can do some work for you at much lower prices. The college is horrendously expensive as these chaps get no other pay for being a herald (bar £20 or so a year, last reviewed downswards in the time of William IV). The only thing that is worth your while paying a herald for is either to get some arms made for you (horrendously expensive) or to tell you what is written on an old document of which they have the only copy. I presume you have looked at the Sussex heraldic Visitations? There are quite a few Palmers in them. Though the 1530 visitation does have, for a totally different family, some absolute rubbish! -- Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org for a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org/

The ancient parish of Hurstpierpoint is dedicated to the Holy Trinity and there was once a chapel-at-ease that was dedicated to St. George. There are WOOLGAR's buried at Hurstpierpoint and I have just compared the entries for burials that I extracted from the Holy Trinity parish registers in 1993 with the same entries on the National Burial Index v3 (NBI). Sure enough, they all show on the NBI as St. Lawrence. So, it is the NBI that is showing the incorrect dedication. Best wishes, Marion Woolgar Bognor Regis, West Sussex

Thank you to the listers who have provided me with good information on the email received today. I do appreciate you all. Lefayre.

Hi folks, I am hoping someone on the list can help find the burial record for the above person. She married Matthew Miles at Clayton, Sussex on the 7 Nov 1795. On the 22 Jan 1797 there is a Mathew Miles baptised at Hurstpierpoint with parents given as Mathew and Susanna. On the 16 Sept 1798 a son John is baptised at Keymer. Have not found any other children for this couple. I have reason to believe that Mathew snr. was the one baptised at Hurstpierpoint on the 4 Oct 1767. Any help in finding Susanna's or even Mathew's burial would be much appreciated. My great great grandparents John Miles and Sarah Muggeridge married at Banstead, Surrey on the 12 Sept 1826. In the census returns John said he was born at Lindfield, Sussex about 1800. I have never been able to prove that my ancestor John is the same one that was baptised at Keymer and therefore the son of Mathew and Susanna. Finding their burial place may provide a clue. Cheers, Rosemary M Chalmers Darwin NT Australia

Hi Joan The Sussex Family History Group has for some years had an extensive collection of Sussex Parish Registers of baptisms and burials available to its members online. In addition its collection of marriage records is available on CD. See Sussex Family History Group Home Page The annual subscription is currently £11 by cheque or £11.55 by credit card. Best wishes David Bexhill > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Original Message: > From: "Joan Barnes" <joanb@xtra.co.nz> > > Hi Listers ? not sure whether everyone knows that FamilySearch have finally indexed the Sussex parishes. A veritable feast! > > Joan Barnes > > ------------------------------

Sorry, I missed something very obvious when making my previous posting - I blame my recent holiday! The Bishops' Transcripts (BT's) for Stoughton are available from 1571, so they pre-date the surviving parish registers by 100 years. The BT's are available at the West Sussex Record Office (WSRO) on microfilm MF586 and they have been transcribed and indexed under WSRO ref PAR 189/2/2. The baptisms and marriages are also on the FamilySearch web site and you can access the early dates via the batch numbers on the Steve Archer web site at http://www.archersoftware.co.uk/igi/fs-ssx.htm . Best wishes, Marion Woolgar Bognor Regis, West Sussex

A reminder that Littlehampton Museum are holding an "Ask the Experts Day" on Saturday 21 September from 10.30am to 4.30pm. At the Manor House, Church Street, Littlehampton BN17 5EW. The SFHG Events Team will be there with our databases and look-up facilities, although our bookstall will not be present at this event. Admission free, free parking adjacent to the Museum for two hours using disc obtainable from Museum reception. More information on their web site at http://www.littlehampton-tc.gov.uk/main.cfm?TYPE=museum . Best wishes, Marion Woolgar Bognor Regis, West Sussex

On 18/09/2013 23:46, Lefayre wrote: > Enjoyed looking at listings but the early dates I need for Stoughton are > missing, others seem to get back into the 1500s. Not all the earliest registers still exist for every parish. The earliest registers start in 1538. West Sussex record office should be able to tell you what other sources of information there are available for that period. -- Connie http://oursalmons.wordpress.com/

Thank you Joan, Enjoyed looking at listings but the early dates I need for Stoughton are missing, others seem to get back into the 1500s. There were however parishes of interest to my search. Does any one know how to access the records listed? Perhaps in my old age I am not reading what is in the explanations properly so need help. Thank you again Joan for alerting us to this site it will be of great use. Lefayre.

Although the parish church at Stoughton dates from the 11th Century, the surviving parish registers only date from 1671 i.e. the first parish register has not survived. So, if others have been able to research back to an earlier date, they must have used other resources. Given the type of family that you have described, perhaps wills and manorial records are likely sources? Best wishes, Marion Woolgar Bognor Regis, West Sussex

Hi Listers – not sure whether everyone knows that FamilySearch have finally indexed the Sussex parishes. A veritable feast! Joan Barnes

Around the years 1925 - 1926 my mother Edith Quinn studied to be a teacher at The Diocesan Training College, Ditchling Road, Brighton. All the students lived at a building called The Rookery Hostel in Ditchling Road. I have a book of Souvenir Postcards taken and stuck in the book by Avery's of Brighton along with a photo of the College and two of the groups of students who were there in 1925 and 1926. I am happy to scan in and send any pictures to anyone who may have had a relative there at that time. There are 16 photographs of the building and three of the students. Shirley Bond

Joan Barnes is correct about Family Search now having an index of Sussex parishes, but be advised that it does not seem to be complete yet. Ore, for instance, does not feature at all yet, and I expect there are others like that. Duncan, Dundee

On 18/09/2013 00:43, Joan Barnes wrote: > Hi Listers – not sure whether everyone knows that FamilySearch have finally indexed the Sussex parishes. A veritable feast! Thank you. That's going to be useful. -- Connie http://oursalmons.wordpress.com/

Eve, I presume you've looked on Family Search. It doesn't seem to appear. It could be he was illegitimate, non conformist or the records just haven't survived. Have you looked under Taylor? It may be worthwhile looking for Sarah's two marriages and see if and where any children were baptised. I'd also look at 1841 census. Peter

Sorry used the wrong 'reply'. -----Original Message----- From: Bob Hills [mailto:bobroots.bw@btinternet.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 20:53 To: 'Anne Thompson' Subject: RE: [SXP] Osborne Family Anne, You might want to look at the following (the parishes are all within a few miles of each other): 1801 James OSBORN chr 26 Jul at Up Waltham/Upwaltham (William & Susanna) (IGI) 1823 James ORSBURN married Mary WOODS 25 Aug at Duncton (IGI) (1851 census of James & Mary gives her pob as Duncton) 1826 James OSBORN chr 3 Sep at East Dean (James & Mary) (IGI) 1841 James OSBORN age 14 a woodcutter living East Dean parents Jas & Mary 1850 James OSBORN married Caroline SHERWIN 10 Aug at East Dean (IGI) (also Sep Q 1850 in FreeBMD) 1851 James & Caroline living as son-in-law & daughter with George Sherwin at East Dean The Caroline SHERWIN marriage fits (as per 1851 census), how confident are you re: the Caroline WELLS marriage?, if it is definitely WELLS then the above is probably on the wrong track unless Caroline's mother remarried, I could find no marriage of a James OSBORN to a Caroline WELLS. Hope that helps Bob Hills -----Original Message----- From: sussex-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sussex-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Anne Thompson Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 10:07 To: SUSSEX-PLUS@rootsweb.com Subject: [SXP] Osborne Family Hello I have just joined this list in the hope of finding out about the OSBORNE family from CHARLTON West Susses or SINGLETON.