Hi all My daughter has just married and I was looking at her other halfs tree a little more closely On his mums side they are DELVES and I have made my way back to Buxted Sussex circa 1780 I am wanting to check a marriage for John DELVES to a Catharine GREEN is a suggested maiden name for Catharine and a marriage at Waldron Their first known child was Mary baptised in Buxted 1778 Does anyone have confirmation of any marriage that fits please whether GREEN or otherwise -- Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

Greetings Listers In the SFHG online Baptism Index, my 7 x ggm, Mary REEVE, is listed (in Wartling) as d/o Simon REEVE: Entry from Wartling St Mary Magdalene 1539 - 1617 First names Mary Surname REEVE Sex d Baptism Date 08-Jun Year baptised 1601 Father first names Simon Father surname REEVE Mother surname REEVE Parish Wartling County East Sussex An older sibling is similarly described in 1598 and a twin and younger brothers also the same. However, in checking the Marriage Index CD, the apparent marriages of Simon in Wartling list him as Simon KEENE. I can imagine that old writing for REEVE and KEENE could look similar. Is anyone familiar with Wartling families please? Extract from the Sussex Marriage Index: Place: Wartling, East Sussex, Date: 24 May 1586: Subject: Simon KEENE Spouse: Joan RAVEN Extract from the Sussex Marriage Index: Place: Wartling, East Sussex, Date: 12 Sep 1597: Subject: Simon KEENE Spouse: Margaret TWITT, wid Could these entries be for Simon REEVE? These are the only entries for KEENE anywhere on the CD. As it is the second entry I'm interested in, I'm also looking for Margaret's maiden name as I haven't found her first marriage. Any ideas anyone? Many thanks Pam Beaudesert, Queensland, Australia

(Forwarded with the permission of the original poster) "-------- Original Message -------- Subject: [LEI] Historical Directories to new site Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2013 09:42:16 +0100 From: Nivard Ovington Hi all Most will know of the historical directories site for trade directories from the Leicester University and what an excellent facility it was They are migrating to a new site, I have only had a brief go on it so far so can't give a proper evaluation They are combining other elements to hopefully make a better more informative site <http://www2.le.ac.uk/library/find/rarebooksandarchives/specialcollections/historical-directories> After a few trials one thing I can say is there is now a download facility for the directories, this downloads the whole directory in view in pdf, excellent idea, very clear and easy to read" -- Connie http://oursalmons.wordpress.com/

I am overwhelmed by the kindness of listers who have shown an interest in my search. Research into Manor Rolls was suggested. I have been concentrating on the information sent by the College of Arms and suddenly realised I had in my files work done by Debrett's over 30 years ago. On looking at this I find that the recommendation was to extend the search into the manorial records for Westbourne, Sussex. A list of the surviving records was given. So now it is a manner of saving up to have this done. With the arrival of the Kit for members of Sussex Family History Group it was wonderful to receive a version of the map of Sussex more readily readable than that on the website. From it I have been able to colour code the areas in which I am interested. Many are the next parish which would make it reasonable to assume that as the families expanded so they moved a few miles away. Thank you for this. I have also received the family tree of "King'' Palmer of India with whom a relationship has been a family story. The tree has at the top a coat of arms which is the same as that on the grave of our John Palmer in Parramatta, Sydney, New South Wales, Australia.'' King'' Palmer has a slightly differenced one so it would be interesting to see if this was matriculated. Thank you listers for your friendship. Lefayre Palmer

Dear Listers, I have had such fun with your advices sent per this list. So far I have come up with some interesting co-incidences but so far have not been able to make the connection to prove or disprove the family legend. Browsing some of your hints I came across mention of Boxgrove which reminded me I had been sent a Will for a Ralph Palmer of Boxgrove. The sender felt the names of his children fitted those the College of Arms had sent connected to William Palmer of Stoughton died 1601. Mentioned in Ralph's Will was a Shirley. Now I knew that a Shirley had married into the Palmer family of Wingham, so I decided to look at the pedigrees for Shirley of Isfield (Palmers of Wingham) and Shirley of Wiston, Sussex (Parham). To confuse matters even more John Shirley of Ishfield marries Jane Shirley of Wiston and it is their daughter Elizabeth Shirley who marries Thomas Palmer of Wingham. What did I find? They are connected! Thanks to the map of lower West Sussex, I find that all the places mentioned in my search are within a short distance from each other and show the probable migration of the family especially of cadet branches. William Palmer of Stoughton (1601) was a yeoman, his son John willed land to his second son William. Why was the first passed over? Maybe he had died. Some of the family end up in Westbourne but Nicholas asks to be buried in Stoughton. I have learnt not to think of Stoughton as a village, but see on the map it covers a fair area which at one place borders Westbourne. The Will of Raffe Palmer of Boxgrove 1552 mentions his sons Robert, John, George, Rychard, Walter, William and Philip. A Thomas Palmer is baptised at Boxgrove 1575 and has among the sponsors Sir Thomas Shirley. I then looked at the pedigrees for the families Shirley of Wiston, Isfield and Preston and found that Ralf Shirley son of Ralph Shirley of Staunton Harold had a son Ralph who inherited many estates in Sussex. This Ralph mentions his godchild Rauffe Palmer in his Will of 1510. Lefayre Palmer

Heather, You may not find a church baptism, but you should be able to find both in civil registrations. Have you tried FreeBMD? http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl If you're looking for parents Florence will be in 1891 census and both will be in 1901 census. It's a bit hard to judge what the specific problem from a one line post. Peter

Greetings Listers I'm trying to estimate the birth year - and possible parentage - of my ancestor Robert PERIGOE. He is listed (in Maresfield in Sussex) as a Godfather on 6 Feb 1568(9). The surname goes back to John PERAGO (PERIGO or PERIGOE) who emigrated from Picardie in 1513. Is he likely to have been an adult at this time, or would a child be allowed to stand as Godfather? I have marriage information for several PERIGOE (however spelt!) men in the right area of Sussex around the right time. I may be able to eliminate one or two if Robert was older than, say, 10 in 1568. His life ended in 1617 when he was hanged for burglary at Nordern's Cross in Hastings. Would records still be available that just MAY list an age? (Ever hopeful!!) Any thoughts please? Many thanks Pam Beaudesert, Queensland, Australia

Hi, I am looking for a baptism of a Lancelot Hart abt 1894 Eastbourne and Florence born 1883, father Henry. Regards Heather Brooks

On 01/10/2013 23:20, PMR wrote: > Is he likely to have been an adult at this time, or would a > child be allowed to stand as Godfather? I have marriage information for > several PERIGOE (however spelt!) men in the right area of Sussex around the > right time. I may be able to eliminate one or two if Robert was older than, > say, 10 in 1568. Ten might be a child to us today but not necessarily then. If he was considered old enough to have understood what his role as a godfather involved he could have been. I would have expected godparents to have been older but I'm not aware of any hard and fast rule. Someone may know otherwise. One of my son's godparents was 12 when he was baptised and both are considerably younger than your man. -- Connie http://oursalmons.wordpress.com/

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On 30 Sep at 1:27, "Lefayre" <lefayrep@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > Thank you Tim for passing on Gwen's message. Careful examination will show I did not pass on a private message but that Gwen passed on to you her own private message. > Lefayre. > _____ > > From: Gwen [mailto:w.teasdale@sky.com] Sent: Monday, 30 September 2013 > 7:52 AM To: lefayrep@optusnet.com.au Subject: Fw: Palmers > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Gwen <mailto:w.teasdale@sky.com> > To: tim@powys.org > Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 10:46 PM > > Subject: Palmers > > Dear Tim, > > John Palmer of the East India Com. was the son of Lt. Gen. William > Palmer( b.1740). secretary to Warren Hastings. William claimed to be a > descendent of Barbara Villiers. Do you think there could be any truth > in this claim? I have my doubts. > > John Palmer married my 3 times great aunt Mary Sarah Hampton in India > in 1791. > > I would love to hear from you. > > Sincerely, > > Gwen -- Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org for a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org/

Thanks to everyone who replied to my query. I now know where the crossroads is and have also discovered that my ancestor, Edward Pitt, also owned Hasledean (sic) farm and farmhouse, which used to be adjacent. This was all prior to 1825 when he died. Regards, Diane On 30 September 2013 11:43, Stephen Selby <grayscroft@gmail.com> wrote: > If you go to Streetmap at www.streetmap.co.uk and enter the TQ reference, > it > will take you there. It is a standard 6 figure Ordnance Survey reference. > > Steve > > -----Original Message----- > From: sussex-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:sussex-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Andy Hedgcock > Sent: 28 September 2013 11:49 > To: Diane Wynne; SUSSEX > Subject: Re: [SXP] Pitt´s Head crossroads Cuckfield > > Pitts Head Crossroads Warninglid, West Sussex a.. A23 > b.. B2115 Sloughgreen Lane > c.. B2115 Cuckfield Lane > TQ267259 > > > Found a reference to the above on Wikipedia. The TQ link doesn't seem too > helpful though. > > HTH > Andy > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Diane Wynne" <thewynnes@gmail.com> > To: "SUSSEX" <SUSSEX-PLUS@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 11:27 AM > Subject: [SXP] Pitt´s Head crossroads Cuckfield > > > Hi, > > My 4x great grandfather ran an inn called the Pitt´s Head in the parish of > Cuckfield. > > The inn of that name is long gone but, from googling Pitt´s Head I have > seen references to > Pitt´s Head crossroads, sadly not noted on any map I´ve found. > > Does anyone know the names of the roads at this crossroads so I can pin it > down as I am assuming that the name of the crossroads is where the inn > stood. > > Thanks, > Diane > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SUSSEX-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SUSSEX-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

If you go to Streetmap at www.streetmap.co.uk and enter the TQ reference, it will take you there. It is a standard 6 figure Ordnance Survey reference. Steve -----Original Message----- From: sussex-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sussex-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Andy Hedgcock Sent: 28 September 2013 11:49 To: Diane Wynne; SUSSEX Subject: Re: [SXP] Pitt´s Head crossroads Cuckfield Pitts Head Crossroads Warninglid, West Sussex a.. A23 b.. B2115 Sloughgreen Lane c.. B2115 Cuckfield Lane TQ267259 Found a reference to the above on Wikipedia. The TQ link doesn't seem too helpful though. HTH Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diane Wynne" <thewynnes@gmail.com> To: "SUSSEX" <SUSSEX-PLUS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 11:27 AM Subject: [SXP] Pitt´s Head crossroads Cuckfield Hi, My 4x great grandfather ran an inn called the Pitt´s Head in the parish of Cuckfield. The inn of that name is long gone but, from googling Pitt´s Head I have seen references to Pitt´s Head crossroads, sadly not noted on any map I´ve found. Does anyone know the names of the roads at this crossroads so I can pin it down as I am assuming that the name of the crossroads is where the inn stood. Thanks, Diane ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SUSSEX-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SUSSEX-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you Tim for passing on Gwen's message. Lefayre. _____ From: Gwen [mailto:w.teasdale@sky.com] Sent: Monday, 30 September 2013 7:52 AM To: lefayrep@optusnet.com.au Subject: Fw: Palmers ----- Original Message ----- From: Gwen <mailto:w.teasdale@sky.com> To: tim@powys.org Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 10:46 PM Subject: Palmers Dear Tim, John Palmer of the East India Com. was the son of Lt. Gen. William Palmer( b.1740). secretary to Warren Hastings. William claimed to be a descendent of Barbara Villiers. Do you think there could be any truth in this claim? I have my doubts. John Palmer married my 3 times great aunt Mary Sarah Hampton in India in 1791. I would love to hear from you. Sincerely, Gwen

Hi, My 4x great grandfather ran an inn called the Pitt´s Head in the parish of Cuckfield. The inn of that name is long gone but, from googling Pitt´s Head I have seen references to Pitt´s Head crossroads, sadly not noted on any map I´ve found. Does anyone know the names of the roads at this crossroads so I can pin it down as I am assuming that the name of the crossroads is where the inn stood. Thanks, Diane

Hi Diane, Pitt's Head Crossroads is the Warninglid junction of the A23 - currently undergoing huge roadworks. I have had a look on old-maps.co.uk but cannot find a pub near there but it might be worth looking around those maps. What time period are we looking at? hth, Anne > Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 12:27:28 +0200 > From: thewynnes@gmail.com > To: SUSSEX-PLUS@rootsweb.com > Subject: [SXP] Pitt´s Head crossroads Cuckfield > > Hi, > > My 4x great grandfather ran an inn called the Pitt´s Head in the parish of > Cuckfield. > > The inn of that name is long gone but, from googling Pitt´s Head I have > seen references to > Pitt´s Head crossroads, sadly not noted on any map I´ve found. > > Does anyone know the names of the roads at this crossroads so I can pin it > down as I am assuming that the name of the crossroads is where the inn > stood. > > Thanks, > Diane > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SUSSEX-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Diane,   I googled 'Pitt's Head crossroad Cuckfield' and found the following which might be useful:-     http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/63529       Let me know if you have no luck with this and I will look again,   All the best,   Robin   ________________________________ From: Diane Wynne <thewynnes@gmail.com> To: SUSSEX <SUSSEX-PLUS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, 28 September 2013, 11:27 Subject: [SXP] Pitt´s Head crossroads Cuckfield   Hi, My 4x great grandfather ran an inn called the Pitt´s Head in the parish of Cuckfield. The inn of that name is long gone but, from googling Pitt´s Head I have seen references to Pitt´s Head crossroads, sadly not noted on any map I´ve found. Does anyone know the names of the roads at this crossroads so I can pin it down as I am assuming that the name of the crossroads is where the inn stood. Thanks, Diane ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SUSSEX-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Pitts Head Crossroads Warninglid, West Sussex a.. A23 b.. B2115 Sloughgreen Lane c.. B2115 Cuckfield Lane TQ267259 Found a reference to the above on Wikipedia. The TQ link doesn't seem too helpful though. HTH Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diane Wynne" <thewynnes@gmail.com> To: "SUSSEX" <SUSSEX-PLUS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 11:27 AM Subject: [SXP] Pitt´s Head crossroads Cuckfield Hi, My 4x great grandfather ran an inn called the Pitt´s Head in the parish of Cuckfield. The inn of that name is long gone but, from googling Pitt´s Head I have seen references to Pitt´s Head crossroads, sadly not noted on any map I´ve found. Does anyone know the names of the roads at this crossroads so I can pin it down as I am assuming that the name of the crossroads is where the inn stood. Thanks, Diane ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SUSSEX-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a very interesting and informative thread - firstly because of the name Standbynorth - the derivations of it would be fascinating - and secondly about the three very close deaths, which may indicate a typhoid or cholera epidemic at that time. And of course the discussion about ancient wills is also interesting. I hope we get some answers! Cheers, Philippa Cooper in Oz. Message: 5 Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 17:11:38 +0100 From: Anne Capewell <alc_goytre@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [SXP] Witnessing a Will - 16th century To: PMR <cliveden@iinet.net.au>, "sussex-plus@rootsweb.com" <sussex-plus@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <DUB124-W484306130EDDE7E5647DD5EC290@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Pam, You probably have this info already but I was interested to see that there were 3 Standbynorth burials within a couple of weeks of each other: John senior 12/01/1579 Joan 20/01/1579 maid daughter of John Johan 26/01/1579 widow of John senior I'm not an expert on wills either but could the other witness have been his wife? I don't know if women were allowed or expected to witness such documents - was she named in the will? all the best, Anne

Again thank you to those who have answered my queries. Recent finds have been of a list of the gravestones in St. Thomas a' Beckett Churchyard, Warblington. Two were mentioned for Palmers, one John 1745 and William who drowned when his ship sank of Dublin. The one for John Palmer 1745 is listed as having the singular example of a coat of arms on it. A relative visited this site recently and photographed the grave which was badly weathered but enough was showing to indicate what appeared to be the arms of the Palmers of Wingham and Parham. Our Palmers were in Warblington at that time so hopefully a connection might be found. Mention was made that in the 1980s listings were made of the gravestones and a copies were lodged with various organisations of which WSRO was one. I emailed them immediately and received back a reply (here in Australia) within 5 minutes to say that the history department was busy and I would receive an answer ASAP. The hope is that the gravestone in the 1980s was not as badly weathered as in more recent years. Lefayre Palmer.