On 7 Nov at 14:27, Anne Capewell <alc_goytre@hotmail.com> wrote: > Hi Tim, Go to www.old-maps.co.uk and find Hove. If you know where Dyke > Road Avenue is you can just navigate up there on the map - otherwise > look it up on Streetmap first. Then centre your map on Dyke Road > around The Beeches and Hazeldene Meads (click on the map at this point > and the red point should settle there). Then access the 1898 1:2500 > map and you will see the Den in the middle. It appears on all > subsequent maps but may have been extended/incorporated into other > buildings. I'm not sure but a quick look on Google maps appears to > make it the Dyke pub?? hth, Anne After an enormous fight with the site, I eventually found The Den and ordered a print from the 1898 map. Many thanks for your help. -- Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org for a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org/

Apologies, list Could I please extend my query to anyone researching or connected to both these families? Looking for CADWALLADER or MARCUS family in the Brighton or Lewes area in the 1900s and beyond. Hoping someone will contact me off list. Thank you, Katie de Haan The Netherlands

Hello list, I'm looking for anyone researching or connected to CADWALLADERs in the Brighton or Lewes areas, 1900s maybe later. Could anyone familiar with them please contact me off list with a view to comparing notes. Thank you, Katie de Haan The Netherlands

Hello Tim, Go onto GOOGLE and just enter The Den, Dyke-Road-avenue, Brighton. there is a website that also shows a very nice House called the Den, read all about it. Kind regards Barbara Lewis Mallyon -----Original Message----- From: Tim Powys-Lybbe Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 11:07 AM To: SUSSEX-PLUS@rootsweb.com Subject: [SXP] Where was The Den at Dyke Road, Patcham? My gt-gt-grandfather died in 1897 at an address on his death certificate of: The Den, Patcham, Sussex. His partner died in 1919 at The Den, Dyke-Road-avenue, Brighton. I am reasonably certain that they were the same place as he left it to her in his will. But neither my brother, who does not live far away from Brighton, nor I have been able to find The Den. Can anyone give any guidance? -- Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org for a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org/

Hi Tim, Go to www.old-maps.co.uk and find Hove. If you know where Dyke Road Avenue is you can just navigate up there on the map - otherwise look it up on Streetmap first. Then centre your map on Dyke Road around The Beeches and Hazeldene Meads (click on the map at this point and the red point should settle there). Then access the 1898 1:2500 map and you will see the Den in the middle. It appears on all subsequent maps but may have been extended/incorporated into other buildings. I'm not sure but a quick look on Google maps appears to make it the Dyke pub?? hth, Anne ----------------------------------------> Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 11:07:55 +0000> From: tim@powys.org> To: SUSSEX-PLUS@rootsweb.com> Subject: [SXP] Where was The Den at Dyke Road, Patcham?>> My gt-gt-grandfather died in 1897 at an address on his death certificate> of: The Den, Patcham, Sussex.>> His partner died in 1919 at The Den, Dyke-Road-avenue, Brighton.>> I am reasonably certain that they were the same place as he left it to> her in his will.>> But neither my brother, who does not live far away from Brighton, nor I> have been able to find The Den. Can anyone give any guidance?>> --> Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org> for a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org/>> -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SUSSEX-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My gt-gt-grandfather died in 1897 at an address on his death certificate of: The Den, Patcham, Sussex. His partner died in 1919 at The Den, Dyke-Road-avenue, Brighton. I am reasonably certain that they were the same place as he left it to her in his will. But neither my brother, who does not live far away from Brighton, nor I have been able to find The Den. Can anyone give any guidance? -- Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org for a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org/

This bounced back, I think because the attachment was too large.. I am resending, without the attachment. If you would like a copy of the attachment, email me at cushmandna@aol.com Robert Cushman cushmandna@aol.com Begin forwarded message: > From: Bob Cushman <cushmandna@aol.com> > Subject: Pilgrim, Robert Cushman and his time in Canterbury, Kent 1586-1607 > Date: November 7, 2013 10:51:14 AM PST > To: SUSSEX-PLUS@rootsweb.com > > We think publication of this new article that Mike Paulick and I have been working on will be of interest to readers of this message board. It describes the activities of Pilgrim, Robert Cushman of Kent in Canterbury during the period 1586-1607. It should be of interest to readers who have an interest in this geographic area and period of history, and to any Cushman/Couchman who may descend from this ancestor. > > I have attached a copy of the Mayflower Quarterly article in .pdf format. The proper citation is: Cushman, Robert C. and Paulick, Michael R. “Robert Cushman, Mayflower Pilgrim in Canterbury 1586-1607” The Mayflower Quarterly, Vol. 79, No. 3 (September 2013), 226-235. Readers can access the article directly at: http://cushmansite.com/genealogy_folder/Robert Cushman in Canterbury 1596 to 1607001.pdf > > A shorter version of the article also appears in the latest issue of ByGone Kent Magazine November/December 2013, Vol.4, No 6. > > Robert Cushman and Mike Paulick > cushmandna@aol.com > > >

Hi all I thought this may be of interest as Hove is currently in a thread From British Genes newsletter <http://www.eastsussex.gov.uk/leisureandtourism/localandfamilyhistory/esro/collections/tithemaps/default.htm> -- Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

At the date stated, there were the following cemeteries open in the Brighton & Hove are as stated below: Extra Mural Cemetery, Lewes Road, Brighton; Woodvale Cemetery, Lewes Road, Brighton; City Cemetery, Bear Road, Brighton; Hove Cemetery, Old Shoreham Road, Hove; The above are owned & managed by Brighton & Hove City Council and more information will be found at http://www.brighton-hove.gov.uk/content/community-and-life-events/deaths-fun erals-and-cemeteries/brighton-hove-portslade-cemeteries#extramuralcemetery which also gives details of their other burial grounds that were opened at a later date. Be aware that there is a significant charge for making enquiries about burials in these grounds; see http://www.brighton-hove.gov.uk/sites/brighton-hove.gov.uk/files/downloads/b ereavement/Woodvale_Fees_and_Charges_v4__13_14.pdf for further details. Brighton & Preston Cemetery, Hartington Road, Brighton. This is owned by Downs Crematorium Ltd, now part of the Dignity group. Their web site is at http://www.dignityfunerals.co.uk/crematoria/index.asp?pageid=26&fd=611 . For completeness, there is also the Jewish Cemetery, Bevendean Road, Brighton; see http://www.sussexjewishrepresentativecouncil.org/burial for further information. NB, the URL's quoted above are all very long. So, if clicking on a link doesn't take you to the web site, copy and paste them into your browser. Best wishes, Marion Woolgar Bognor Regis, West Sussex

Just checking my family tree, appears my grandparents lived at one time in HOVE. 30 Ventnor Villas and/or 66 Clarendon Villas then mention off 21 Cambridge Road. This is back in the early 1920s.. pre 1926 as they sailed to South Africa (came back to UK) Don't think grass was so green over there at that time! What I am interested in, mention of a baby girl.. now where would she have been buried please in Hove.. she was born 22 Sept 1921., her brother born in 1917 died 1920 family were living in Clapham then, he is buried Wandsworth Cemetery. But this baby, family were in Sussex. I know when my auntie was born in 1924, they were living in West Brighton. If I can get back to UK next year, would love to be able to see the area where my grandparents lived, I can remember visiting in the 1950's back in Clapham, then moved down to Kent.. they lost two children, one boy and one girl, and bought up one of each as well, Dad was born in Norbury. London in 1912. Family seemed to have moved a lot, Grandfather was a Silk Merchant, his father had a leather factory in Liverpool (Pentony) Mainly after where would the little baby be buried.. in Sussex.. doubt if she had a headstone.. Many thanks.. Adele Pentony-Graham Clareville NZ

Greetings Listers I found the following and wonder what it is in English - my Latin is non-existent! Noia Compentin in (aula?) Curial The names listed bear a family surname - Jacobus LASHER, maior; Thomas LASHER, snr; Thomas LASHER, jnr, all apparently of Hastings Many thanks Pam Beaudesert, Queensland, Australia.

Marine Court is shaped like an ocean liner and was built as apartments in 1937 and appears not to have had an existence as a hotel. However I googled and did find a reference to Marine Court being used for officers accommodation during WW2. I do not know how reliable this information is. http://www.mark-seymour.com/heritage-in-hastings/fine-buildings-of-hastings-marine-court <http://www.mark-seymour.com/heritage-in-hastings/fine-buildings-of-hastings-marine-court> Liz On 04/11/2013 16:25, David Railton wrote: > Thanks to all for the very quick replies to my query. All I have is a > reference in RAF records to officers initial training courses at The Marine > Court Hotel at St Leonards on Sea. It was common practice during WWII for > the Air Ministry to requisition hotels to provide accommodation for air crew > training courses. An example is my father who was billeted in a seafront > hotel in Blackpool in 1942. They would not have requisitioned a block of > apartments as it would mean turning out the occupants. I can only think that > it was a hotel that no longer exists as such or one that has had a name > change. > > > > David > > > > From: David Railton [mailto:railton.david@btinternet.com] > Sent: 04 November 2013 14:48 > To: SUSSEX-PLUS@rootsweb.com (SUSSEX-PLUS@rootsweb.com) > Subject: Marine Court Hotel, St Leonards on Sea > > > > I have a reference from 1939 of the Marine Court Hotel at St Leonards on Sea > being used for Royal Air Force training courses. I cannot find this hotel as > now being in existence. Can anyone tell me what the building is now, if it > still exists? > > > > David > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SUSSEX-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks to all for the very quick replies to my query. All I have is a reference in RAF records to officers initial training courses at The Marine Court Hotel at St Leonards on Sea. It was common practice during WWII for the Air Ministry to requisition hotels to provide accommodation for air crew training courses. An example is my father who was billeted in a seafront hotel in Blackpool in 1942. They would not have requisitioned a block of apartments as it would mean turning out the occupants. I can only think that it was a hotel that no longer exists as such or one that has had a name change. David From: David Railton [mailto:railton.david@btinternet.com] Sent: 04 November 2013 14:48 To: SUSSEX-PLUS@rootsweb.com (SUSSEX-PLUS@rootsweb.com) Subject: Marine Court Hotel, St Leonards on Sea I have a reference from 1939 of the Marine Court Hotel at St Leonards on Sea being used for Royal Air Force training courses. I cannot find this hotel as now being in existence. Can anyone tell me what the building is now, if it still exists? David

First stop, have a look at the Wikipedia entry for St Leonards-on-Sea. Then click on the following link as it seems apartments in the building can be rented for holidays: http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/VacationRentalReview-g186274-d2181221-Marine_Court_Apartment-Hastings_East_Sussex_England.html Regards Adrian On 04/11/2013 14:48, David Railton wrote: > I have a reference from 1939 of the Marine Court Hotel at St Leonards on Sea > being used for Royal Air Force training courses. I cannot find this hotel as > now being in existence. Can anyone tell me what the building is now, if it > still exists? > > > > David > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SUSSEX-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi David, There is parade of shops, with flats above, on the sea front in St Leonards called Marine Court. There is a hotel immediately adjacent called the Royal Victoria but, as far as I can see, it's address is Marina.  Hope that this help, Robin ________________________________ From: David Railton <railton.david@btinternet.com> To: SUSSEX-PLUS@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, 4 November 2013, 14:48 Subject: [SXP] Marine Court Hotel, St Leonards on Sea I have a reference from 1939 of the Marine Court Hotel at St Leonards on Sea being used for Royal Air Force training courses. I cannot find this hotel as now being in existence. Can anyone tell me what the building is now, if it still exists? David ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SUSSEX-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have a reference from 1939 of the Marine Court Hotel at St Leonards on Sea being used for Royal Air Force training courses. I cannot find this hotel as now being in existence. Can anyone tell me what the building is now, if it still exists? David

Sara, Both Ancestry and Find My Past have BMD records up to about 2006, so you should be able to trace BMD events. Check local libraries or FHS centres for free access. Stories on their life will be a lot harder unless they advertised their business in local newspapers. Peter

Sadly, the Brighton History Centre - which had a great deal of helpful information, directories etc - has closed and the bulk of its collections have been transferred to The Keep: http://www.eastsussex.gov.uk/leisureandtourism/localandfamilyhistory/esro/thekeep/what.htm This new resource opens shortly to the general public following its official opening by HM The Queen. You could also Google for "Brighton and Hove Directories 1930" and see what can be found there. Regards Adrian On 03/11/2013 11:31, Sara Reid wrote: > I'm looking for more information about my husband's Great Uncle Wilfred (he > was actually registered as Charles Wilfrid BACON) who moved to Brighton from > South London in the 30s or 40s. He was born in Alresford, Essex but lost > contact with the rest of the family after moving to London working in the > retail trade, including as the Manager of a Cycling and Sportswear shop. He > started out as a Draper's Assistant in the family Post > Office/Grocers/Drapers in Alresford so shop keeping was in his blood. He was > an active Christadelphian (as was his mother and two of his siblings). > > > > He married Constance KING and they had two daughters, Billie and Pat (Consie > Christabel Wilfreda BACON and Patricia Heather BACON). The family made > contact with Billie again in the 70s. She had married Edward (Ted) MURREY, > they had no children and moved to Leicester, where Constance also lived > towards the end of her life. We don't think that Pat had any children > either so there are no living descendants in Sussex as far as we are aware. > > > > It's believed that the family had a shop in either Brighton or Hove. > Charles Wilfred or Wilfrid BACON died while the family wasn't really in > contact. I have found a possible death record for 1945 in Brighton & Hove. > > > > I'm hoping to find out more about this BACON family's life in Brighton & > Hove and if the family story of the shop is accurate, it's location and what > they sold. While online records and Christadelphian newsletters have been > useful so far, it has been quite difficult to find anything more concrete. > I'm hoping someone on this list can help me or suggest some good sources of > information for 30s, 40s and 50s Brighton. > > > > Many thanks > > > > Sara > > > > Sara Reid > > <mailto:sara.reid.cymru@gmail.com> sara.reid.cymru@gmail.com > > > > REID in South Wales and Whitehaven, England > > BACON in Essex, England > > WILLIAMS, LLOYD, SAMUEL and GWION in South Wales > > WENT in Essex, England > > BLACKWELL in Great Tey, Essex > > BALM (BALME, BAULM, BAWLM, BAWM, BARLM) in Lincolnshire, Suffolk and Essex, > England > > TEAT in Lincolnshire, England > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SUSSEX-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I'm looking for more information about my husband's Great Uncle Wilfred (he was actually registered as Charles Wilfrid BACON) who moved to Brighton from South London in the 30s or 40s. He was born in Alresford, Essex but lost contact with the rest of the family after moving to London working in the retail trade, including as the Manager of a Cycling and Sportswear shop. He started out as a Draper's Assistant in the family Post Office/Grocers/Drapers in Alresford so shop keeping was in his blood. He was an active Christadelphian (as was his mother and two of his siblings). He married Constance KING and they had two daughters, Billie and Pat (Consie Christabel Wilfreda BACON and Patricia Heather BACON). The family made contact with Billie again in the 70s. She had married Edward (Ted) MURREY, they had no children and moved to Leicester, where Constance also lived towards the end of her life. We don't think that Pat had any children either so there are no living descendants in Sussex as far as we are aware. It's believed that the family had a shop in either Brighton or Hove. Charles Wilfred or Wilfrid BACON died while the family wasn't really in contact. I have found a possible death record for 1945 in Brighton & Hove. I'm hoping to find out more about this BACON family's life in Brighton & Hove and if the family story of the shop is accurate, it's location and what they sold. While online records and Christadelphian newsletters have been useful so far, it has been quite difficult to find anything more concrete. I'm hoping someone on this list can help me or suggest some good sources of information for 30s, 40s and 50s Brighton. Many thanks Sara Sara Reid <mailto:sara.reid.cymru@gmail.com> sara.reid.cymru@gmail.com REID in South Wales and Whitehaven, England BACON in Essex, England WILLIAMS, LLOYD, SAMUEL and GWION in South Wales WENT in Essex, England BLACKWELL in Great Tey, Essex BALM (BALME, BAULM, BAWLM, BAWM, BARLM) in Lincolnshire, Suffolk and Essex, England TEAT in Lincolnshire, England

Greetings Listers One of my 11th Great-grandfathers was Richard ELVERY who died in Rye on 19/20 May 1564 (he signed his Will on 19th and was buried on 20th). When I checked the SFHG database for ELVERY, there were just 3 entries - Richard's burial and one entry under each of two other headings. Does anyone know of any variant of this name that I should be searching for please? Or does anyone else have any information on the surname ELVERY in Sussex in the early centuries of PRs? Although I have the dates for Richard's Will, I don't appear to have a copy of it (although in changing computers something may have gone missing!) Has anyone any information on this 1564 Will of Richard ELVERY. Many thanks Pam Beaudesert, Queensland, Australia.