Hello Fellow Researchers,            Could someone send me the entry for the birth of WILLIAM ALBERT KENT PEARCE who was born in Hastings, Sussex, sometime in 1905?  It doesn't seem to be in the FreeBMD index.  He was a cousin of my father's.  It appears that he married in 1929 and died in 1939 at age 34.           Thank you for any assistance.           Bob Pearce   USA

My wife descended from the Greentree family who lived in West Sussex (traced back to Milland in the 16th century) suffers from Dupuytren Constricture, which has over the years curled her last two fingers towards the palm. A BBC program she heard some years ago, said that this was a possible sign of descent from a Viking. It is also a family myth that Greentree may denote Viking ancestry. I haven't been able to establish either of these assertions from other sources. Bill Moyle ----- Original Message ----- From: <sussex-plus-request@rootsweb.com> To: <sussex-plus@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 9:04 AM Subject: SUSSEX-PLUS Digest, Vol 8, Issue 108 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > If you're not happy with the format of the Digest you can ask to be > switched to MIME format by contacting the list administrator on > sussex-plus-admin@rootsweb.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Bent fingers (Alison Elliott) > 2. Bent fingers (Jean Wood) > 3. Re: Bent fingers (heywyre akers) > 4. Re: Bent fingers (Lynne Ingalls) > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > To contact the SUSSEX-PLUS list administrator, send an email to > SUSSEX-PLUS-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the SUSSEX-PLUS mailing list, send an email to > SUSSEX-PLUS@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SUSSEX-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. >

There is quite a lot about Dupuytren's' on the Internet - Wikipedia gives quite good information and talks a bit about what is known about the background, Alison Sent from my iPhone On 12 Nov 2013, at 01:15, "Bill Moyle" <moylebill@bigpond.com> wrote: > My wife descended from the Greentree family who lived in West Sussex (traced > back to Milland in the 16th century) suffers from Dupuytren Constricture, > which has over the years curled her last two fingers towards the palm. A BBC > program she heard some years ago, said that this was a possible sign of > descent from a Viking. It is also a family myth that Greentree may denote > Viking ancestry. I haven't been able to establish either of these > assertions from other sources. > > Bill Moyle > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <sussex-plus-request@rootsweb.com> > To: <sussex-plus@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 9:04 AM > Subject: SUSSEX-PLUS Digest, Vol 8, Issue 108 > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> If you're not happy with the format of the Digest you can ask to be >> switched to MIME format by contacting the list administrator on >> sussex-plus-admin@rootsweb.com > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: Bent fingers (Alison Elliott) >> 2. Bent fingers (Jean Wood) >> 3. Re: Bent fingers (heywyre akers) >> 4. Re: Bent fingers (Lynne Ingalls) > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> To contact the SUSSEX-PLUS list administrator, send an email to >> SUSSEX-PLUS-admin@rootsweb.com. >> >> To post a message to the SUSSEX-PLUS mailing list, send an email to >> SUSSEX-PLUS@rootsweb.com. >> >> __________________________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SUSSEX-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body >> of the >> email with no additional text. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SUSSEX-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I draw, so observe people all the time. Most have variations within their body parts. The queen's face on coin or stamp ( I do not remember which) is the opposite way round to nature - it is her "better" side. It is normal for things to be uneven. Even as a child one of my feet was larger than the other as were my mother's. Some teenagers worry unnecessarily that their bosoms or private parts are not symmetrical - it is normal! My fingers close together inwards around the middle finger so my hands are slightly fish shaped. I am not deformed and my hands work well. Although during a fall I broke my left little finger so that no longer closes around its adjacent ring finger. We inherit very much. Sometimes I look at my husband's hands and am pulled up short. They are exact copies of his father's! It is more noticeable now we are older and he is now the age when I most knew his father. Jean Wood http://www.cheziris.eu/index.htm http://www.cheziris.eu/Duterrau.htm http://www.saintes-fleur-de-sel.fr/index.htm > Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 11:42:02 +0000 > From: valerie.lirakis@googlemail.com > To: SUSSEX-PLUS@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SXP] Bent fingers > > Patreece, > > Both my middle fingers bend outwards. I'm a pianist, and was once told that > it was practising at an early age that caused this deformity. I was never > convinced by this explanation, although neither of my parents had it, so it > certainly wasn't inherited. > > Valerie (in Saltdean) > > > On 11 November 2013 01:15, Tim Powys-Lybbe <tim@powys.org> wrote: > >> On 10 Nov at 22:14, Patreece Palmer <arthur.patreece@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Some while ago ( several years!) someone on the list asked if anyone >>> from Sussex had the disfigurement of bent little fingers in their >>> family. I answered that query but to the best of my knowledge I had no >>> reply, so thought I would try again. My daughter, granddaughter and 2 >>> gr granddaughters have this. I was born in Sussex, in Brighton, and >>> wonder if there is any connection? >> >> Both my little fingers have a slight clink in the end joint and both my >> index fingers have a bigger kink in both joints. The latter was >> definitely inherited from my mother who had the same feature; she was >> additionally a very competent violinist; I have some useful dexterity in >> my hands and have never found these deformities to be any problem. It >> may even be that they enable the tips of my fingers to come together >> more naturally and so be competent at delicate manipulative tasks. >> >> -- >> Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org >> for a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SUSSEX-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SUSSEX-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Viking Finger - There is q condition called Dupuytren's Contracture where the 5th and/or 4th fingers bend towards the palm and cannot be fully straightened. It is mainly due to an inherited proliferative connective tissue disorder, and has been called Viking finger as it is commonly seen in people from Northern Europe and Scandinavia, hence the frequency in Kent and Sussex particularly. It is not present at birth but tends to start at age 40+ and there are a variety of operations and treatments available. My father in law and brother in law both had it, but thought it was due to playing golf! Alison > From: alc_goytre@hotmail.com > To: sussex-plus@rootsweb.com > Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 13:13:38 +0000 > Subject: Re: [SXP] Bent fingers > > The top joint of my mum's thumbs bend back to 90 degrees - very good for pushing in drawing pins - as did her father's. Neither I nor my sister have this thumbtack-pusher but my son does. I guess it's the same for all inherited traits - hair colour, eye colour etc. Sometimes they will go from one generation to the next and sometimes they will skip one or more generations. > all the best, Anne > ----------------------------------------> Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 13:02:05 +0000> From: pilgrimsprogress@bunyanclan.co.uk> To: sussex-plus@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [SXP] Bent fingers>> Valerie,>> There is a possibility it skipped a generation.>> My mother born Hastings had a slight deformity of the outer ear, in fact> barely noticable, nothing that caused problems, none of my siblings or> cousins have this, but my youngest daughter has it, and we know of> others in distant pastures who also have this from the same line.>> Frances a SWAIN/E descendant>> On 11/11/2013 11:42, Valerie lirakis wrote:>> Patreece,>>>> Both my middle fingers bend outwards. I'm a pianist, and was once told that>> it was practising at an early age that caused this deformity. I was never>> convinced by this explanation, although neither of my parents had it, so it>> certainly wasn't inherited.>>>> Valerie (in Saltdean)>>>>>> On 11 November 2013 01:15, Tim Powys-Lybbe <tim@powys.org> wrote:>>>>> On 10 ! > Nov at 22:14, Patreece Palmer <arthur.patreece@gmail.com> wrote:>>>>>>> Some while ago ( several years!) someone on the list asked if anyone>>>> from Sussex had the disfigurement of bent little fingers in their>>>> family. I answered that query but to the best of my knowledge I had no>>>> reply, so thought I would try again. My daughter, granddaughter and 2>>>> gr granddaughters have this. I was born in Sussex, in Brighton, and>>>> wonder if there is any connection?>>>>>> Both my little fingers have a slight clink in the end joint and both my>>> index fingers have a bigger kink in both joints. The latter was>>> definitely inherited from my mother who had the same feature; she was>>> additionally a very competent violinist; I have some useful dexterity in>>> my hands and have never found these deformities to be any problem. It>>> may even be that they enable the tips of my fingers to come together>>> more naturally and so be competent at delicate manipulative tasks.>>>>>> --! > >>> Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org>>> for a miscellany of bygones: http > ://powys.org/>> -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SUSSEX-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SUSSEX-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

What a great research tool! I have two gg. grandparents who came from Sussex. Being Mormon, they had a multitude of descendants. I have 56 first-cousins alone who descended from this couple. I will put out a query to see if any had bent fingers, but to my knowledge none of them did. Lynne in Tucson -----Original Message----- From: heywyre akers Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 8:02 AM To: SUSSEX-PLUS@rootsweb.com ; arthur.patreece@gmail.com Subject: Re: [SXP] Bent fingers Hello Patreece I find your inquiry interesting in that my husband was born in England and given up for adoption at a very young age (approximately 2-3 wks old). He has bent little fingers (last upper joint bends inwards) and it has passed down to his children and grandchildren. I am unsure as to what side of his family it came from but he was born in Watford, Herts. JudyBC Canada > > > On 11 November 2013 01:15, Tim Powys-Lybbe <tim@powys.org> wrote: > > > On 10 Nov at 22:14, Patreece Palmer <arthur.patreece@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Some while ago ( several years!) someone on the list asked if anyone > > > from Sussex had the disfigurement of bent little fingers in their > > > family. I answered that query but to the best of my knowledge I had no > > > reply, so thought I would try again. My daughter, granddaughter and 2 > > > gr granddaughters have this. I was born in Sussex, in Brighton, and > > > wonder if there is any connection? > > > > Both my little fingers have a slight clink in the end joint and both my > > index fingers have a bigger kink in both joints. The latter was > > definitely inherited from my mother who had the same feature; she was > > additionally a very competent violinist; I have some useful dexterity in > > my hands and have never found these deformities to be any problem. It > > may even be that they enable the tips of my fingers to come together > > more naturally and so be competent at delicate manipulative tasks. > > > > -- > > Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org > > for a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org/ > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > SUSSEX-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SUSSEX-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SUSSEX-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The top joint of my mum's thumbs bend back to 90 degrees - very good for pushing in drawing pins - as did her father's. Neither I nor my sister have this thumbtack-pusher but my son does. I guess it's the same for all inherited traits - hair colour, eye colour etc. Sometimes they will go from one generation to the next and sometimes they will skip one or more generations. all the best, Anne ----------------------------------------> Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 13:02:05 +0000> From: pilgrimsprogress@bunyanclan.co.uk> To: sussex-plus@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [SXP] Bent fingers>> Valerie,>> There is a possibility it skipped a generation.>> My mother born Hastings had a slight deformity of the outer ear, in fact> barely noticable, nothing that caused problems, none of my siblings or> cousins have this, but my youngest daughter has it, and we know of> others in distant pastures who also have this from the same line.>> Frances a SWAIN/E descendant>> On 11/11/2013 11:42, Valerie lirakis wrote:>> Patreece,>>>> Both my middle fingers bend outwards. I'm a pianist, and was once told that>> it was practising at an early age that caused this deformity. I was never>> convinced by this explanation, although neither of my parents had it, so it>> certainly wasn't inherited.>>>> Valerie (in Saltdean)>>>>>> On 11 November 2013 01:15, Tim Powys-Lybbe <tim@powys.org> wrote:>>>>> On 10 ! Nov at 22:14, Patreece Palmer <arthur.patreece@gmail.com> wrote:>>>>>>> Some while ago ( several years!) someone on the list asked if anyone>>>> from Sussex had the disfigurement of bent little fingers in their>>>> family. I answered that query but to the best of my knowledge I had no>>>> reply, so thought I would try again. My daughter, granddaughter and 2>>>> gr granddaughters have this. I was born in Sussex, in Brighton, and>>>> wonder if there is any connection?>>>>>> Both my little fingers have a slight clink in the end joint and both my>>> index fingers have a bigger kink in both joints. The latter was>>> definitely inherited from my mother who had the same feature; she was>>> additionally a very competent violinist; I have some useful dexterity in>>> my hands and have never found these deformities to be any problem. It>>> may even be that they enable the tips of my fingers to come together>>> more naturally and so be competent at delicate manipulative tasks.>>>>>> --! >>> Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org>>> for a miscellany of bygon! es: http ://powys.org/>> -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SUSSEX-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Valerie, There is a possibility it skipped a generation. My mother born Hastings had a slight deformity of the outer ear, in fact barely noticable, nothing that caused problems, none of my siblings or cousins have this, but my youngest daughter has it, and we know of others in distant pastures who also have this from the same line. Frances a SWAIN/E descendant On 11/11/2013 11:42, Valerie lirakis wrote: > Patreece, > > Both my middle fingers bend outwards. I'm a pianist, and was once told that > it was practising at an early age that caused this deformity. I was never > convinced by this explanation, although neither of my parents had it, so it > certainly wasn't inherited. > > Valerie (in Saltdean) > > > On 11 November 2013 01:15, Tim Powys-Lybbe <tim@powys.org> wrote: > >> On 10 Nov at 22:14, Patreece Palmer <arthur.patreece@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Some while ago ( several years!) someone on the list asked if anyone >>> from Sussex had the disfigurement of bent little fingers in their >>> family. I answered that query but to the best of my knowledge I had no >>> reply, so thought I would try again. My daughter, granddaughter and 2 >>> gr granddaughters have this. I was born in Sussex, in Brighton, and >>> wonder if there is any connection? >> >> Both my little fingers have a slight clink in the end joint and both my >> index fingers have a bigger kink in both joints. The latter was >> definitely inherited from my mother who had the same feature; she was >> additionally a very competent violinist; I have some useful dexterity in >> my hands and have never found these deformities to be any problem. It >> may even be that they enable the tips of my fingers to come together >> more naturally and so be competent at delicate manipulative tasks. >> >> -- >> Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org >> for a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org/

Hi Tim, surely we all have some abnormalities in our bone structure. My right middle finger doesnt lay flat and is bent outwards at the top which causes my ring finger to slightly overlap it at the top My little fingers tend to bend inwards slightly at the top joint and so did my mothers as I remember it, but havent looked at any other member of my family. Come to that my right leg is shorter than my left by about half and inch as is one arm and my hip is twisted but not noticeably by anyone else. I dont look or feel odd. My feet are slightly odd sized. havent a clue if that is genetic but I suspect many people are the same judging by the shoeshop assistants remarks if you mention it. BTW I am 81 but only admit to 60! LOL. . Eileen.(nee Northeast) born in Brighton. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Powys-Lybbe" <tim@powys.org> To: <SUSSEX-PLUS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 1:15 AM Subject: Re: [SXP] Bent fingers > On 10 Nov at 22:14, Patreece Palmer <arthur.patreece@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Some while ago ( several years!) someone on the list asked if anyone >> from Sussex had the disfigurement of bent little fingers in their >> family. I answered that query but to the best of my knowledge I had no >> reply, so thought I would try again. My daughter, granddaughter and 2 >> gr granddaughters have this. I was born in Sussex, in Brighton, and >> wonder if there is any connection? > > Both my little fingers have a slight clink in the end joint and both my > index fingers have a bigger kink in both joints. The latter was > definitely inherited from my mother who had the same feature; she was > additionally a very competent violinist; I have some useful dexterity in > my hands and have never found these deformities to be any problem. It > may even be that they enable the tips of my fingers to come together > more naturally and so be competent at delicate manipulative tasks. > > -- > Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org > for a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SUSSEX-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Patreece, Both my middle fingers bend outwards. I'm a pianist, and was once told that it was practising at an early age that caused this deformity. I was never convinced by this explanation, although neither of my parents had it, so it certainly wasn't inherited. Valerie (in Saltdean) On 11 November 2013 01:15, Tim Powys-Lybbe <tim@powys.org> wrote: > On 10 Nov at 22:14, Patreece Palmer <arthur.patreece@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Some while ago ( several years!) someone on the list asked if anyone > > from Sussex had the disfigurement of bent little fingers in their > > family. I answered that query but to the best of my knowledge I had no > > reply, so thought I would try again. My daughter, granddaughter and 2 > > gr granddaughters have this. I was born in Sussex, in Brighton, and > > wonder if there is any connection? > > Both my little fingers have a slight clink in the end joint and both my > index fingers have a bigger kink in both joints. The latter was > definitely inherited from my mother who had the same feature; she was > additionally a very competent violinist; I have some useful dexterity in > my hands and have never found these deformities to be any problem. It > may even be that they enable the tips of my fingers to come together > more naturally and so be competent at delicate manipulative tasks. > > -- > Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org > for a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SUSSEX-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Some while ago ( several years!) someone on the list asked if anyone from Sussex had the disfigurement of bent little fingers in their family. I answered that query but to the best of my knowledge I had no reply, so thought I would try again. My daughter, granddaughter and 2 gr granddaughters have this. I was born in Sussex, in Brighton, and wonder if there is any connection?

Hello Patreece I find your inquiry interesting in that my husband was born in England and given up for adoption at a very young age (approximately 2-3 wks old). He has bent little fingers (last upper joint bends inwards) and it has passed down to his children and grandchildren. I am unsure as to what side of his family it came from but he was born in Watford, Herts. JudyBC Canada > > > On 11 November 2013 01:15, Tim Powys-Lybbe <tim@powys.org> wrote: > > > On 10 Nov at 22:14, Patreece Palmer <arthur.patreece@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Some while ago ( several years!) someone on the list asked if anyone > > > from Sussex had the disfigurement of bent little fingers in their > > > family. I answered that query but to the best of my knowledge I had no > > > reply, so thought I would try again. My daughter, granddaughter and 2 > > > gr granddaughters have this. I was born in Sussex, in Brighton, and > > > wonder if there is any connection? > > > > Both my little fingers have a slight clink in the end joint and both my > > index fingers have a bigger kink in both joints. The latter was > > definitely inherited from my mother who had the same feature; she was > > additionally a very competent violinist; I have some useful dexterity in > > my hands and have never found these deformities to be any problem. It > > may even be that they enable the tips of my fingers to come together > > more naturally and so be competent at delicate manipulative tasks. > > > > -- > > Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org > > for a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org/ > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > SUSSEX-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SUSSEX-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 10 Nov at 22:14, Patreece Palmer <arthur.patreece@gmail.com> wrote: > Some while ago ( several years!) someone on the list asked if anyone > from Sussex had the disfigurement of bent little fingers in their > family. I answered that query but to the best of my knowledge I had no > reply, so thought I would try again. My daughter, granddaughter and 2 > gr granddaughters have this. I was born in Sussex, in Brighton, and > wonder if there is any connection? Both my little fingers have a slight clink in the end joint and both my index fingers have a bigger kink in both joints. The latter was definitely inherited from my mother who had the same feature; she was additionally a very competent violinist; I have some useful dexterity in my hands and have never found these deformities to be any problem. It may even be that they enable the tips of my fingers to come together more naturally and so be competent at delicate manipulative tasks. -- Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org for a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org/

If you go through the pictures on the Regency Society site - granted they must have been added after 1964 - but under image 43 it does say "built by Mr P.Lybbe" and later sold to.. Grenville. (top left of each picture there is a previous/next button) You say he "bought the freehold house and lands" THAT house - or a preceding house? - or did he mean he bought the freehold of the lands and had the house built? Have you thought of contacting the Regency Society and asking for any details they may have in their archives?. Jean Wood http://www.cheziris.eu/Duterrau.htm http://www.saintes-fleur-de-sel.fr/index.htm > Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 23:34:47 +0000 > From: tim@powys.org > To: SUSSEX-PLUS@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SXP] Where was The Den at Dyke Road, Patcham? > > On 7 Nov at 21:09, Anne Capewell <alc_goytre@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> It can take a bit of getting used to <g>. The site that Barbara >> mentioned is the James Gray site and there are actually 10 photos of >> The Den (40-49) >> http://regencysociety-jamesgray.com/volume26/source/jg_26_040.html >> >> Having had another look at the maps I think The Den had gone by 1972. >> It was definitely where Hazeldene Meads is now. Shame - it looked like >> a lovely house. > > But it occupied four acres and rambled around. That land would have > been worth far more to a builder just the same as loads of houses about > here are 80 years old and are being knocked down and three or four > tightly squeezed houses put into their places. Anything rather than dig > up even more farmland. > > What is not clear is who built the The Den in 1884. In his last codicil > to his will in 1889, my gggf says that he had recently bought the > freehold house and lands, so I reckon he did not cause it to be built. > > The nursery that came with the house was let by him to a Mark Hazeldean; > so his name survives in the name of the lane through the grounds: > "Hazeldean Meads". Probably 'Meads' refers to the meadows used for > nursery gardening. I wonder if Mark Hazeldean had originally owned all > the land? > > > Even more thanks for all this excellent information. > > -- > Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org > for a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SUSSEX-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 08/11/2013 01:07, Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: > Land registration started in the north of Scotland and was only extended > to the whole of the south of England around 25 years ago. And the > electronic data is not held for before 1993. Electoral rolls might be a > better bet and the British Library holds those for 1885. According to http://data.gov.uk/publisher/land-registry: "Land Registry is the government agency created in 1862 to register the ownership of land and property in England and Wales. We keep and maintain the Land Register, where more than 23 million titles – the evidence of ownership – are documented." I recall there was some concern about the projected destruction of historical titles ie anything before a set date and also not keeping any except in electronic format. I don't know whether it went ahead or whether there was a degree of culling. I saw the title for a 19th century house in the late 1990s when I was trying to identify a particular house which I was later able to explore. It might still be worth checking with the local land registry to see if they still exist for The Den. The record office might hold something as well. The record office should have the Electoral Rolls from 1832 onwards. -- Connie http://oursalmons.wordpress.com/

On 8 Nov at 0:18, Anne Capewell <alc_goytre@hotmail.com> wrote: > According to the 1881 Deacons directory (from > http://www.historicaldirectories.org) a Thomas Killick owned the Dyke > Road Nursery. Is it possible that he had the house built on his land? > I cannot find a Hazeldean (dene) in the same directory. > > If you could find an 1884/5 Kellys or similar it might tell you who > was living there and they might be the ones who had it built. Good idea. I see from <http://www.sussexias.co.uk/directories7-02.htm> that there were a vast range of directories published for Brighton and that most of them have copies in Brighton Reference Library (Local Studies section currently in Church Street). I'll follow that up. > Alternatively would there be any land registry details anywhere? Land registration started in the north of Scotland and was only extended to the whole of the south of England around 25 years ago. And the electronic data is not held for before 1993. Electoral rolls might be a better bet and the British Library holds those for 1885. -- Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org for a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org/

According to the 1881 Deacons directory (from http://www.historicaldirectories.org) a Thomas Killick owned the Dyke Road Nursery. Is it possible that he had the house built on his land? I cannot find a Hazeldean (dene) in the same directory. If you could find an 1884/5 Kellys or similar it might tell you who was living there and they might be the ones who had it built. Alternatively would there be any land registry details anywhere? ---------------------------------------- > Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 23:34:47 +0000 > From: tim@powys.org > To: SUSSEX-PLUS@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SXP] Where was The Den at Dyke Road, Patcham? > > On 7 Nov at 21:09, Anne Capewell <alc_goytre@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> It can take a bit of getting used to <g>. The site that Barbara >> mentioned is the James Gray site and there are actually 10 photos of >> The Den (40-49) >> http://regencysociety-jamesgray.com/volume26/source/jg_26_040.html >> >> Having had another look at the maps I think The Den had gone by 1972. >> It was definitely where Hazeldene Meads is now. Shame - it looked like >> a lovely house. > > But it occupied four acres and rambled around. That land would have > been worth far more to a builder just the same as loads of houses about > here are 80 years old and are being knocked down and three or four > tightly squeezed houses put into their places. Anything rather than dig > up even more farmland. > > What is not clear is who built the The Den in 1884. In his last codicil > to his will in 1889, my gggf says that he had recently bought the > freehold house and lands, so I reckon he did not cause it to be built. > > The nursery that came with the house was let by him to a Mark Hazeldean; > so his name survives in the name of the lane through the grounds: > "Hazeldean Meads". Probably 'Meads' refers to the meadows used for > nursery gardening. I wonder if Mark Hazeldean had originally owned all > the land? > > > Even more thanks for all this excellent information. > > -- > Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org > for a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SUSSEX-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 7 Nov at 21:09, Anne Capewell <alc_goytre@hotmail.com> wrote: > It can take a bit of getting used to <g>. The site that Barbara > mentioned is the James Gray site and there are actually 10 photos of > The Den (40-49) > http://regencysociety-jamesgray.com/volume26/source/jg_26_040.html > > Having had another look at the maps I think The Den had gone by 1972. > It was definitely where Hazeldene Meads is now. Shame - it looked like > a lovely house. But it occupied four acres and rambled around. That land would have been worth far more to a builder just the same as loads of houses about here are 80 years old and are being knocked down and three or four tightly squeezed houses put into their places. Anything rather than dig up even more farmland. What is not clear is who built the The Den in 1884. In his last codicil to his will in 1889, my gggf says that he had recently bought the freehold house and lands, so I reckon he did not cause it to be built. The nursery that came with the house was let by him to a Mark Hazeldean; so his name survives in the name of the lane through the grounds: "Hazeldean Meads". Probably 'Meads' refers to the meadows used for nursery gardening. I wonder if Mark Hazeldean had originally owned all the land? Even more thanks for all this excellent information. -- Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org for a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org/

On 07/11/2013 18:56, Bob Cushman wrote: > This bounced back, I think because the attachment was too large. It was bounced because attachments aren't allowed on Rootsweb mailing lists. -- Connie http://oursalmons.wordpress.com/

It can take a bit of getting used to <g>. The site that Barbara mentioned is the James Gray site and there are actually 10 photos of The Den (40-49) http://regencysociety-jamesgray.com/volume26/source/jg_26_040.html Having had another look at the maps I think The Den had gone by 1972. It was definitely where Hazeldene Meads is now. Shame - it looked like a lovely house. > Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 19:35:21 +0000 > From: tim@powys.org > To: SUSSEX-PLUS@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SXP] Where was The Den at Dyke Road, Patcham? > > On 7 Nov at 14:27, Anne Capewell <alc_goytre@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi Tim, Go to www.old-maps.co.uk and find Hove. If you know where Dyke >> Road Avenue is you can just navigate up there on the map - otherwise >> look it up on Streetmap first. Then centre your map on Dyke Road >> around The Beeches and Hazeldene Meads (click on the map at this point >> and the red point should settle there). Then access the 1898 1:2500 >> map and you will see the Den in the middle. It appears on all >> subsequent maps but may have been extended/incorporated into other >> buildings. I'm not sure but a quick look on Google maps appears to >> make it the Dyke pub?? hth, Anne > > After an enormous fight with the site, I eventually found The Den and > ordered a print from the 1898 map. > > Many thanks for your help. > > -- > Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org > for a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SUSSEX-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message