I have Ancestry UK Premium and I see 'Abstracts of probate acts in the Prerogative Court of Canterbury' which I think have been on-line for some time but where do I find 'New and Updated list England & Wales, Prerogative Court of Canterbury Wills, 1384-1858 1012964 (records) (released) Yesterday'. I don't see it under Wills & Probate and I don't see any 'New & Updated' list. Can anyone please help? Thank you David Railton -----Original Message----- From: sussex-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sussex-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nivard Ovington Sent: 07 January 2014 10:37 To: sussex-plus@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SXP] PCC Wiils on Ancestry Hi Marion & all Firstly I am baffled as to why people mail off list for this type of thing that others would be able to help with, that is one of the benefits of being on any list The latest release now shows in the New and Updated list "England & Wales, Prerogative Court of Canterbury Wills, 1384-1858 1012964 (records) (released) Yesterday Its part of the UK record sets, not sure if the essentials level has it but Premium or Worldwide will I would disagree with you re Ancestry and speed of informing researchers of newly added data, after several years their normal mode of operation is to release it and them tell subscribers by a message on their home page a day or usually more after release, personally I prefer this approach Unlike some other sites that *say* they *will* release XYZ and then don't But all in all its a very important database for our research and greatly welcomed Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 07/01/2014 10:11, Marion Woolgar wrote: > I have had a number of E-mails overnight from people who are not able > to find the new PCC Wills database on Ancestry. > > Firstly, I'm not sure what subscriptions it is on. I currently have > the full subscription, thanks to receiving a Christmas present of FTM > 2014 that comes with a 6-month subscription to the Ancestry World > package. Ancestry are not normally slow to publicise their new > releases, so I have been looking for an Ancestry press release about > the PCC Wills, but I can't find one at present. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SUSSEX-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 07/01/2014 10:11, Marion Woolgar wrote: > I have had a number of E-mails overnight from people who are not able to > find the new PCC Wills database on Ancestry. > > Firstly, I'm not sure what subscriptions it is on. I currently have the > full subscription, thanks to receiving a Christmas present of FTM 2014 that > comes with a 6-month subscription to the Ancestry World package. Ancestry > are not normally slow to publicise their new releases, so I have been > looking for an Ancestry press release about the PCC Wills, but I can't find > one at present. > > Someone has suggested that it might be a gradual roll-out to avoid the web > site crashing due to demand, so perhaps if you can't access it now, you > might be able to do so in a couple of days. It took me ages to find it as well. It didn't come up in the new databases. I found it by going to the Wills and Probate page then scrolling down for the list of databases on the right hand side. I've now bookmarked the relevant page. Ancestry don't seem to do roll outs like FMP does and it seems to be across all relevant subscriptions. I only have the UK subscription. It was certainly slow last night. I did find one of my ancestors given as being from Lincoln when he wasn't. He was sailing on "the Goodship Earl of Lincoln". Ancestry have also not given or perhaps not realised some wills cover more than one page. The subsequent pages aren't able to be saved to the shoebox because "they are not indexed". You can save to your computer though or do a screen shot. -- Connie http://oursalmons.wordpress.com/

Hi Marion & all Firstly I am baffled as to why people mail off list for this type of thing that others would be able to help with, that is one of the benefits of being on any list The latest release now shows in the New and Updated list "England & Wales, Prerogative Court of Canterbury Wills, 1384-1858 1012964 (records) (released) Yesterday Its part of the UK record sets, not sure if the essentials level has it but Premium or Worldwide will I would disagree with you re Ancestry and speed of informing researchers of newly added data, after several years their normal mode of operation is to release it and them tell subscribers by a message on their home page a day or usually more after release, personally I prefer this approach Unlike some other sites that *say* they *will* release XYZ and then don't But all in all its a very important database for our research and greatly welcomed Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 07/01/2014 10:11, Marion Woolgar wrote: > I have had a number of E-mails overnight from people who are not able to > find the new PCC Wills database on Ancestry. > > Firstly, I'm not sure what subscriptions it is on. I currently have the > full subscription, thanks to receiving a Christmas present of FTM 2014 that > comes with a 6-month subscription to the Ancestry World package. Ancestry > are not normally slow to publicise their new releases, so I have been > looking for an Ancestry press release about the PCC Wills, but I can't find > one at present.

I have had a number of E-mails overnight from people who are not able to find the new PCC Wills database on Ancestry. Firstly, I'm not sure what subscriptions it is on. I currently have the full subscription, thanks to receiving a Christmas present of FTM 2014 that comes with a 6-month subscription to the Ancestry World package. Ancestry are not normally slow to publicise their new releases, so I have been looking for an Ancestry press release about the PCC Wills, but I can't find one at present. Someone has suggested that it might be a gradual roll-out to avoid the web site crashing due to demand, so perhaps if you can't access it now, you might be able to do so in a couple of days. If PCC Wills do not come up as a search result, then it might mean that there are no results to offer for your particular name(s). However, to be sure, you could try using the direct link to the PCC Wills search page at http://search.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=5111 . Finally, it seems that Ancestry has built its own index to the Wills and it looks as though there is the usual crop of very iffy transcription errors. If you don't see the names that you are expecting, you can make a free search on the TNA web site at http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/wills.htm and also on TheGenealogist web site at http://www.thegenealogist.co.uk and they will provide a useful cross-check to the Ancestry results. I have had a number of queries along similar lines, so I am also posting this to the Sussex-Plus List in case it might be helpful to others. Best wishes, Marion Woolgar Bognor Regis, West Sussex

Hi Lynne As the index transcription on Ancestry is a tad wavy, I would suggest trying various key words I would also suggest using the free search on the National Archives and use that as a guide to finding a will on Ancestry So far the images on Ancestry appear to be marginally better than the various sample wills I have purchased from the NA in the past But all in all a very useful resource Its a delight to be able to check out all the "what if" wills to see if they contain names of interest, until now it was not economic to buy all you wanted Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 06/01/2014 20:50, Lynne Ingalls wrote: > I can't believe it, Marion. I spent a week trying to get a will from TNA, > and there it is on Ancestry this week. I'm excited to see what else is > there! Thanks for posting this. > > Lynne in Tucson

Have you seen today's massive new addition to the Ancestry database? Prerogative Court of Canterbury Wills 1384-1858, complete with images. Best wishes, Marion Woolgar Bognor Regis, West Sussex

I can't believe it, Marion. I spent a week trying to get a will from TNA, and there it is on Ancestry this week. I'm excited to see what else is there! Thanks for posting this. Lynne in Tucson -----Original Message----- From: Marion Woolgar Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 12:38 PM To: SUSSEX-PLUS@rootsweb.com Subject: [SXP] PCC Wiils on Ancestry Have you seen today's massive new addition to the Ancestry database? Prerogative Court of Canterbury Wills 1384-1858, complete with images. Best wishes, Marion Woolgar Bognor Regis, West Sussex ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SUSSEX-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Edwin, A few suggestions. 1) Google "Family Search" and use just the surname to look for the occurrences and locations. Then you may need to refine the search by adding extra criteria 2) Google "Archer Software" and then follow the links to see what records are available for Nuttall. You can then search each batch by surname. 3) Google "Genuki" to see the variety or record sites that pertain to Sussex. 4) Google "Rootsweb" and look for the surname in Submitted Trees and also Mailing Lists and Message Boards. 5) Try Googling " Joseph Reffell" (and variants) You never know what hits you may find. Peter

Hello, Since I confused Sussex with Suffolk I first asked the Suffolk list about this ancestor. I believe Joseph REFFELL who married Sarah nee HARRISON 27 May 1734 in Nuthurst, Sussex to be my earliest found ancestor. Please can anyone tell me if he was born in Sussex? I believe he was and in 1710. If he was born in Sussex I wonder if he had any siblings and if any of them had descendants in Sussex. It is very possible that he has been wrongly recorded as REFFEL, REFIELD and REFFIELD, perhaps also REFFELD, REFFILD and REFFOLD. This ancestor went on to Dorking in Surrey. Thank you for helping. Happy New Year and I hope you all had as wonderful a Christmas as I did. Kind regards, Edwin Reffell

Our lovely team of volunteers are pleased to announce that the Complete 1871 Census for Sussex is now on line at FreeCEN.org.uk, where you can search it without charge. This means that the 1891, 1871, 1861 and 1881 (thanks to the LDS) are now all there for free. We have already moved on to the 1851 Census; new volunteer transcribers are always welcome, so if you're looking for a way to pass the long dark winter evenings, and would like to give back a little to the family history community please contact us via the link below. Happy New Year! Simon and Chris Brickell FreeCEN Coordinators for Sussex www.FreeCEN Sussex Transcribers <http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/%7Essx1861> <http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/%7Essx1861>

Lynne, I have got to 'Review Your order details' (loathed to go any further as 'payment' is next), it could be a 'cookie' problem, do you have them disabled or have nationalarchives.gov.uk not allowed in your privacy list of your browser. The TNA is probably closed but the online should work 7x24 what do you mean by can't get past go, what is actually happening. If you get to your basket and there is nothing in it, it is almost certainly a cookie problem. Bob Hills

Lynne, There is a PCC will for William BRIGDEN of Cuckfield probate 1799 on the TNA site. Go to the Wills search of the National Archives: http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/wills.htm and enter William Brigden, location Sussex and it will find just the 1 will. You can pay a small fee to get a PDF copy, note that this is really a transcript made by a clerk at the time of probate (today we would have photocopied it). I'm pretty sure that is the one you want, hope that it helps. Bob Hills -----Original Message----- I'm wondering where I would find a will for William Brigden? Can anyone point me in the right direction? Lynne in Tucson

Bob - Thank you for the response. I have for days been trying to obtain this will at the TNA site. I cannot get past go. I try to continue to the checkout, but get nowhere. Is the TNA closed for the holidays? Lynne in Tucson -----Original Message----- From: Bob Hills Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2014 2:19 PM To: 'List SUSSEX' Subject: Re: [SXP] 1861 Census on Ancestry Lynne, There is a PCC will for William BRIGDEN of Cuckfield probate 1799 on the TNA site. Go to the Wills search of the National Archives: http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/wills.htm and enter William Brigden, location Sussex and it will find just the 1 will. You can pay a small fee to get a PDF copy, note that this is really a transcript made by a clerk at the time of probate (today we would have photocopied it). I'm pretty sure that is the one you want, hope that it helps. Bob Hills -----Original Message----- I'm wondering where I would find a will for William Brigden? Can anyone point me in the right direction? Lynne in Tucson ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SUSSEX-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Absolutely - I'd already tried wildcard searches with Gold* expecting it maybe to find Goldie, Golden etc, but hadn't tried shortening it more. I'll try following him down the census years and see where I get to! Again, many thanks! Louise On 31 December 2013 19:44, Kevin Poile <kevin.poile@googlemail.com> wrote: > No problem - Did the search using wildcard surname: "GOL*", always worth > looking for misspelings, remember no standard spelling and people tended to > spell as they said \ heard it - so add a strong acent and dropped letters > and anything can appear on the paper. > > > On 31 December 2013 17:52, park louise <medionemeton@blueyonder.co.uk>wrote: > >> I've had a look at the scan of this census and it looks like it is a >> misrecording as the writing is very clear. This is definitely the couple >> who I suspected were his grandparents - many thanks for your help! >> >> Louise >> >> >> On 30 December 2013 22:44, Kevin Poile <kevin.poile@googlemail.com> >> wrote: >> >> > Hi Louise, >> > >> > Could this be your man: >> > >> > >> > 1851 Census of Udimore - Class: *HO107*; Piece: *1634*; Folio: *600* >> > ; Page: *18* >> > >> > Family is transcribed as: but member correction to GOLDING >> > >> > >> > >> > James Goland 50 - Head - Miller's lab - born: Fairlight, Sussex >> > Ruth Goland 50 - Wife - - born: Brede >> > Elener Goland 28 - Daughter - - born: Fairlight, Sussex >> > Charles Goland 17 - Son - Age lab - born: Udimore, Sussex >> > John G Goland 12 - Son - Scholar - born: Udimore, Sussex >> > Stephen Goland 7 - Son - Scholar - born: Udimore, Sussex >> > James Goland 2 - Grandson - - born: Udimore >> > >> > >> > >> > 1891 census - Eastbourne, Sussex - Class: *RG12*; Piece: *773*; Folio: >> > *98*; Page: >> > >> > *23* >> > 1881 census - Eastbourne, Sussex - Ref: Class: *RG11*; Piece: *1038* >> > ; Folio: *151*; Page: >> > >> > >> > *40 (Birthplace: Udimer on Ancestry)* >> > Regards >> > >> > Kevin >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On 30 December 2013 21:44, park louise <medionemeton@blueyonder.co.uk >> >wrote: >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> His father was James GOLDING b Q1 1849 Rye, Udimore, Sussex, ? d Q4 >> 1897 >> >> Eastbourne, Sussex, m Q4 1878 Eastbourne, Sussex to Ruth SNOOK b 1852 >> >> Langport, South Somerset. >> >> >> >> I am trying to trace James' parents. >> >> >> >> I suspect that James' father is Robert GOLDING b 1821 or 1822 in >> Udimore, >> >> Sussex, who is recorded in the 1851 census in Hastings, Sussex as a >> groom >> >> at Bohemia St. However, there is no sign anywhere in the census (I have >> >> searched the whole census, not just locally) of James or of any wife to >> >> Robert. >> >> >> >> Anyone have any suggestions? I have even tried searching for them in >> the >> >> Scottish census as there are family stories of links to Scotland. This >> is >> >> my first time tackling the English system as almost all my own family >> are >> >> Scottish. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SUSSEX-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >

No problem - Did the search using wildcard surname: "GOL*", always worth looking for misspelings, remember no standard spelling and people tended to spell as they said \ heard it - so add a strong acent and dropped letters and anything can appear on the paper. On 31 December 2013 17:52, park louise <medionemeton@blueyonder.co.uk>wrote: > I've had a look at the scan of this census and it looks like it is a > misrecording as the writing is very clear. This is definitely the couple > who I suspected were his grandparents - many thanks for your help! > > Louise > > > On 30 December 2013 22:44, Kevin Poile <kevin.poile@googlemail.com> wrote: > > > Hi Louise, > > > > Could this be your man: > > > > > > 1851 Census of Udimore - Class: *HO107*; Piece: *1634*; Folio: *600* > > ; Page: *18* > > > > Family is transcribed as: but member correction to GOLDING > > > > > > > > James Goland 50 - Head - Miller's lab - born: Fairlight, Sussex > > Ruth Goland 50 - Wife - - born: Brede > > Elener Goland 28 - Daughter - - born: Fairlight, Sussex > > Charles Goland 17 - Son - Age lab - born: Udimore, Sussex > > John G Goland 12 - Son - Scholar - born: Udimore, Sussex > > Stephen Goland 7 - Son - Scholar - born: Udimore, Sussex > > James Goland 2 - Grandson - - born: Udimore > > > > > > > > 1891 census - Eastbourne, Sussex - Class: *RG12*; Piece: *773*; Folio: > > *98*; Page: > > > > *23* > > 1881 census - Eastbourne, Sussex - Ref: Class: *RG11*; Piece: *1038* > > ; Folio: *151*; Page: > > > > > > *40 (Birthplace: Udimer on Ancestry)* > > Regards > > > > Kevin > > > > > > > > > > On 30 December 2013 21:44, park louise <medionemeton@blueyonder.co.uk > >wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> His father was James GOLDING b Q1 1849 Rye, Udimore, Sussex, ? d Q4 1897 > >> Eastbourne, Sussex, m Q4 1878 Eastbourne, Sussex to Ruth SNOOK b 1852 > >> Langport, South Somerset. > >> > >> I am trying to trace James' parents. > >> > >> I suspect that James' father is Robert GOLDING b 1821 or 1822 in > Udimore, > >> Sussex, who is recorded in the 1851 census in Hastings, Sussex as a > groom > >> at Bohemia St. However, there is no sign anywhere in the census (I have > >> searched the whole census, not just locally) of James or of any wife to > >> Robert. > >> > >> Anyone have any suggestions? I have even tried searching for them in the > >> Scottish census as there are family stories of links to Scotland. This > is > >> my first time tackling the English system as almost all my own family > are > >> Scottish. > >> > >> > >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SUSSEX-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I've had a look at the scan of this census and it looks like it is a misrecording as the writing is very clear. This is definitely the couple who I suspected were his grandparents - many thanks for your help! Louise On 30 December 2013 22:44, Kevin Poile <kevin.poile@googlemail.com> wrote: > Hi Louise, > > Could this be your man: > > > 1851 Census of Udimore - Class: *HO107*; Piece: *1634*; Folio: *600* > ; Page: *18* > > Family is transcribed as: but member correction to GOLDING > > > > James Goland 50 - Head - Miller's lab - born: Fairlight, Sussex > Ruth Goland 50 - Wife - - born: Brede > Elener Goland 28 - Daughter - - born: Fairlight, Sussex > Charles Goland 17 - Son - Age lab - born: Udimore, Sussex > John G Goland 12 - Son - Scholar - born: Udimore, Sussex > Stephen Goland 7 - Son - Scholar - born: Udimore, Sussex > James Goland 2 - Grandson - - born: Udimore > > > > 1891 census - Eastbourne, Sussex - Class: *RG12*; Piece: *773*; Folio: > *98*; Page: > > *23* > 1881 census - Eastbourne, Sussex - Ref: Class: *RG11*; Piece: *1038* > ; Folio: *151*; Page: > > > *40 (Birthplace: Udimer on Ancestry)* > Regards > > Kevin > > > > > On 30 December 2013 21:44, park louise <medionemeton@blueyonder.co.uk>wrote: > >> >> >> His father was James GOLDING b Q1 1849 Rye, Udimore, Sussex, ? d Q4 1897 >> Eastbourne, Sussex, m Q4 1878 Eastbourne, Sussex to Ruth SNOOK b 1852 >> Langport, South Somerset. >> >> I am trying to trace James' parents. >> >> I suspect that James' father is Robert GOLDING b 1821 or 1822 in Udimore, >> Sussex, who is recorded in the 1851 census in Hastings, Sussex as a groom >> at Bohemia St. However, there is no sign anywhere in the census (I have >> searched the whole census, not just locally) of James or of any wife to >> Robert. >> >> Anyone have any suggestions? I have even tried searching for them in the >> Scottish census as there are family stories of links to Scotland. This is >> my first time tackling the English system as almost all my own family are >> Scottish. >> >> >> >

Thanks Peter! I always research from scratch for the very reason that too many of these submitted trees are copied and/or badly researched, which is a real shame. I so far have James and Ruth with 8 children in total between 1879 and 1897, when I believe James dies. This is entirely from the census records, and no hints that any of the children are only half-siblings (the Stephen you mention is hubby's direct ancestor - he is listed in one census as b 1892). I will have to cross-reference, which I've not done yet, but it looks pretty straightforward from the records I've checked so far - it's the generation above that has really stymied me! It looks as it Kevin may have found them though, so I'll be looking into them. Many thanks, and look after yourself! Louise On 31 December 2013 05:43, Peter R Booth <pbo08596@bigpond.net.au> wrote: > Louise, > > Sorry, I'm not feeling well at the moment,.so I was only able to take a > brief look and will have to leave.any checking and follow up to you. > > Ancestry has a couple of submitted trees that suggest James Golding and > Ruth Snook had six children between 1778 - 1887 > > They then go on to say that there were two half siblings Herbert 1890 > and Stephen 1892, but strangely neither parent has died.It could be just > poor data entry, but typically the whole thing "whiffs" of poor research > and > degree of copying. Most of these matters can be resolved relatively easily > by reference to all available census records and cross matching them to > FreeBMD. > > I apologise in advance if this leads you down a dead end. But I'm on so > many different medications at the moment, I feel like the local street > corner addict.. > > Peter > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SUSSEX-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Wonderful Kevin! This does indeed look promising, and the grandparents look like they are the ones I suspected them to be (but have not yet been able to confirm). I'll look into this further! Many thanks, Louise On 30 December 2013 22:44, Kevin Poile <kevin.poile@googlemail.com> wrote: > Hi Louise, > > Could this be your man: > > > 1851 Census of Udimore - Class: *HO107*; Piece: *1634*; Folio: *600* > ; Page: *18* > > Family is transcribed as: but member correction to GOLDING > > > > James Goland 50 - Head - Miller's lab - born: Fairlight, Sussex > Ruth Goland 50 - Wife - - born: Brede > Elener Goland 28 - Daughter - - born: Fairlight, Sussex > Charles Goland 17 - Son - Age lab - born: Udimore, Sussex > John G Goland 12 - Son - Scholar - born: Udimore, Sussex > Stephen Goland 7 - Son - Scholar - born: Udimore, Sussex > James Goland 2 - Grandson - - born: Udimore > > > > 1891 census - Eastbourne, Sussex - Class: *RG12*; Piece: *773*; Folio: > *98*; Page: > > *23* > 1881 census - Eastbourne, Sussex - Ref: Class: *RG11*; Piece: *1038* > ; Folio: *151*; Page: > > > *40 (Birthplace: Udimer on Ancestry)* > Regards > > Kevin > > > > > On 30 December 2013 21:44, park louise <medionemeton@blueyonder.co.uk>wrote: > >> >> >> His father was James GOLDING b Q1 1849 Rye, Udimore, Sussex, ? d Q4 1897 >> Eastbourne, Sussex, m Q4 1878 Eastbourne, Sussex to Ruth SNOOK b 1852 >> Langport, South Somerset. >> >> I am trying to trace James' parents. >> >> I suspect that James' father is Robert GOLDING b 1821 or 1822 in Udimore, >> Sussex, who is recorded in the 1851 census in Hastings, Sussex as a groom >> at Bohemia St. However, there is no sign anywhere in the census (I have >> searched the whole census, not just locally) of James or of any wife to >> Robert. >> >> Anyone have any suggestions? I have even tried searching for them in the >> Scottish census as there are family stories of links to Scotland. This is >> my first time tackling the English system as almost all my own family are >> Scottish. >> >> >> >

Louise, Sorry, I'm not feeling well at the moment,.so I was only able to take a brief look and will have to leave.any checking and follow up to you. Ancestry has a couple of submitted trees that suggest James Golding and Ruth Snook had six children between 1778 - 1887 They then go on to say that there were two half siblings Herbert 1890 and Stephen 1892, but strangely neither parent has died.It could be just poor data entry, but typically the whole thing "whiffs" of poor research and degree of copying. Most of these matters can be resolved relatively easily by reference to all available census records and cross matching them to FreeBMD. I apologise in advance if this leads you down a dead end. But I'm on so many different medications at the moment, I feel like the local street corner addict.. Peter

Hi List, Can I suggest checking FreeCen for folio,page numbers etc. Happy New Year everyone. Regards, Linda