Pat, William Pelling b1808 appears in seven public trees on Ancestry. Three have no death details; three have 12 Nov 1872; and one has 1854. The 1872 death at Hailsham is listed on FreeBMD as Moses Pelling. In 1854, FreeBMD has four possibilities. This is where it's important to know where he was living in 1851, where his wife died, and if you've found him or his children in 1861. If you believe he died in 1875, all the above are wrong. But you have to make a case for him in 1871 census. Certainly the given age of 67 fits an 1808 birth. Peter

Pat, You're asking about the family of Francis Pelling and Catherine CHARLETT but you haven't given us the names and birthplaces of children. In particular, you ask about their son William and his wife, but you don't give any details. When was he born? Who did he marry? Where have you found him in 1841, 1851 etc before his wife died? It's important to provide vital details so people don't have to look up what you already know. Peter

Hi, It has been a while since I worked on my PELLING family. I would be very interested in contact with anyone researching the family of Francis PELLING & Catherine CHARLETT married in Ashurst 4th Jan 1785. The youngest few children moved to Bristol in the early part of 1800s and worked as wig makers/ perfumers. I am having trouble sorting out the death of the youngest William PELLING and wonder if he moved back to Sussex and maybe the death in Mar Qrt at Thakeham aged 67 in 1875 is him. I know that the family appeared to fall on hard times and I am having trouble picking him up after the death of his wife in 1854. Regards Pat

On 16 Feb at 9:50, "Pat Wade" <pmwade@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > Hi Peter, > > Sorry for the lack of details but I was more looking for fellow > researchers of this Family as I thought to give all the details would > have taken too long. This is a discussion group. There are lots of people here who like to help. Some of them are very experienced in looking up records and enjoy a good puzzle. So the more you give them to get off the starting blocks, the more you might, just, get back in return. Certainly I was astonished by the excellent response I got about a gt-gt-grandfather last year. None of the responses were from people researching my forebears. The advantage of having an open discussion in this group is that we can all learn from those who can find a few good answers. If you take your discussion private there is much less that we all learn. -- Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org for a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org/

I believe there was an error with the url in my previous message, so here it is again. To view my site click on http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~sussexgenealogy/index.html Kind Regards, Valerie

Hi Valerie I think you have a stray "to" on the end of the url try <http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~sussexgenealogy/index.html> Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 14/02/2014 12:04, Valerie lirakis wrote: > I'm looking for more material/photos for my web site, which covers the > counties of Sussex, Surrey, Kent, Hampshire and IOW Is there anyone who > would care to contribute a web page(s) and/or photos? > > Click on > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~sussexgenealogy/index.htmlto > view my site. > > Kind Regards, > Valerie

I'm looking for more material/photos for my web site, which covers the counties of Sussex, Surrey, Kent, Hampshire and IOW Is there anyone who would care to contribute a web page(s) and/or photos? Click on http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~sussexgenealogy/index.htmlto view my site. Kind Regards, Valerie

Hello Everyone, Going through my FT files I came across these marriages:- George TRUSSLER age 31 years widower, Labourer from Kirdford, Sussex. Father George TRUSSLER occupation Keeper married Ellen PULLEN age 24 years spinster from Chiddingfold. Father Peter PULLEN occupation Labourer. 15 December 1874 at Chiddingfold Parish Church, Witnesses are Eliza Pullen and Daniel could be Town ? Frederick BOOKHAM age 33 years bachelor Licensed Victualler from Billingshurst, Sussex, father Henry BOOKHAM Licensed Victualler, married Harriet LUCAS age 23 years spinster from Chiddingfold father George LUCAS Licensed Victualler. 22 April 1875 Chiddingfold, Surrey Parish Church. Witnesses are Mrs George Lucas and Ellen Lucas If you would like a copy of these marriage certificates and link into these families I would be pleased to hear from you. Best wishes Barbara Lewis Mallyon

Greetings Listers I have a couple of mysteries 'way back' resulting from comments made by others researching (some years ago I would think) the same lines as I am. Firstly in relation to the PHILLIPS family: "The earliest entry I extracted from the St Clement's Register at Hastings regarding the PHILLIPS family is that of the Baptism of Agnes Phillips, daughter of a Robert Phillips, which took place on 12th May 1549." I was unaware that records exist for St Clement's (or even All Saints') as early as 1549. Could the researcher have been thinking of Rye which does have early registers? Or is there some other list or early records around somewhere? Secondly, I found this in connection with Robert Frogbroke (FROGBROKEs were also known as PHILLIPS down the track a bit): "It is not known how long Robert and his family lived in Hastings as Robert's burial is the earliest Frogbroke entry in the Parish Registers." By way of explanation, Robert's Will was dated 28th Oct 1558 and proved on 26 Jan 1558(9). I have a list of FROGBROKE burials from SFHG but it doesn't include this one, nor can I find it on the online database. Any ideas, anyone? Many thanks. Cheers Pam Beaudesert, Queensland, Australia

Although it is possible that there can be parish register entries from 1538, most of the clergy did not copy those early entries out of the old paper books and settled for the option of starting the parchment books in 1558. Very few of the paper books have survived and so I am always sceptical about parish register entries pre-1558. However, Rye is one of the exceptions and their registers do indeed date from 1538. According to the National Index of Parish Registers, the registers for Hastings, St. Clement begin in 1558 and the BT's date from 1608. The registers for Hastings, All Saints date from 1559 and the BT's from 1606. Ancestry has the Tyler Index to Kent Parish Registers 1538 to 1874, which includes Rye (possibly because it is a Cinque Port), but this does not contain a baptism for Agnes PHILLIPS in 1549. However, FamilySearch shows a baptism for an Annes PHILIP, daur of John, on 12 Sep 1541 at Rye in Batch No. C14836-1 FHL 1067288. Obviously, the parish register needs to be checked to ascertain the truth of the situation. Best wishes, Marion Woolgar Bognor Regis, West Sussex SFHG Member No: 3323

Hi folks, Could SKS with access to the world subscription contact me off list. rosechal@iinet.net.au Thanks, Rosemary M Chalmers Darwin NT Australia

Nivard, did you try the Scottish records for MILLIGAN? Milligans connect to my Carnie family (+Cairnie/Cairney and var. spellings). A number of them in AYR, WIG, KKD, DFS. Would be good to know if they are related to mine from WIG (late 1700s) AYR(1800s+) A possibility of some of this name in Ireland too! Regards Jenny -----Original Message----- From: Nivard Ovington Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 12:13 AM To: sussex-plus@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SXP] British in India records Good to see one of my life long heroes in the India records (although they have his middle name wrong its Alan) British India Office Ecclesiastical Returns- Births & Baptisms Transcription First Name: Terence Alban Last Name: Milligan Date Of Baptism: 1918 Date Of Birth: 1918 Father's First Name: - Mother's First Name: - Place: Ahmednagar Presidency: Bombay Father's Last Name: Milligan Mother's Last Name: - Archive Reference: N/3/119 Folio: 216 Page: - Catalogue Description: Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Bombay, 1709-1948 Record set: British India Office births & baptisms Category: Birth, Marriage & Death (Parish Registers) Record collection: Births & baptisms Collections from: United Kingdom Also his brother Desmond But no marriage for their parents :-( Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 29/01/2014 14:51, Marion Woolgar wrote: > Hard on the heels of Ancestry's new collection of PCC Wills, Findmypast > (FMP) have today released records of the British India Office 1698 to 1947 > (although the dates for various types of record does vary considerably). > Members will perhaps have used the FIBIS site, but this new collection > from > FMP seems to go way beyond that by providing many original images that can > be downloaded. > > This new class of records will be of particular interest to anyone with > ancestors who were serving in the British Army and I was surprised at how > many entries I found for WOOLGAR and variants. > > Best wishes, > > Marion Woolgar ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SUSSEX-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Hi Jenny Spikes parents were Leo Alphonso MILLIGAN b1890 Sligo and Florence Mary Winifred KETTLEBAND They married in India Interestingly it took a search on Ancestry to find it (this is one of those linked familysearch events) India, Select Marriages, 1792-1948 about Leo Alphenso Milligan Name: Leo Alphenso Milligan Gender: Male Age: 24 Birth Date: 1890 Marriage Date: 28 Sep 1914 Marriage Place: Bombay, Bombay, India Father: William Milligan Spouse: Florence Mary Winnifred Ketchlebrand FHL Film Number: 523902 Source Information: Ancestry.com. India, Select Marriages, 1792-1948 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2014. Original data: India, Marriages, 1792-1948. Salt Lake City, Utah: FamilySearch, 2013. So I rechecked findmypast and there it was with some transcription errors British India Office Ecclesiastical Returns - Marriages Transcription Bride's Forename: Florence Mary Winifred Bride's Surname: Kettlebrand Bride's Age: 21 Groom's Forename: Leo Alphenso Groom's Surname: Milligan Groom's Age: 24 Year Of Marriage: 1914 Date Of Marriage: 28 Sep 1914 Place: - Presidency: Bombay Bride's Father's Forename: Alfred Henry Bride's Father's Surname: Kettlebrand Groom's Father's Forename: William Groom's Father's Surname: Milligan Archive Reference: N/3/112 Folio No.: 146 Catalogue Description: Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Bombay, 1709-1948, : Entry No.: 55 Record set: British India Office marriages Category: Birth, Marriage & Death (Parish Registers) Record collection: Marriages & divorces Collections from: United Kingdom (it does state KETTLEBRAND on the image of the marriage but should be KETTLEBAND) Leo and family are in the passenger lists on Ancestry (and no doubt findmypast) UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960 about Leo Alphonso Milligan Name: Leo Alphonso Milligan Birth Date: abt 1890 Age: 41 Port of Departure: Bombay, India Arrival Date: 27 Mar 1931 Port of Arrival: London, England Ports of Voyage: Plymouth Ship Name: Kaisar-I-Hind Search Ship Database: View the 'Kaisar-I-Hind' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database Shipping Line: Peninsula and Orient Steam Navigation Company Ltd Official Number: 128653 Source Citation: Class: BT26; Piece: 962; Item: 46. And there are plenty of hits for them in Australia where they went to live except Spike who spent most of his time in the UK Spikes grandfather was William Patrick Marmaduke MILLIGAN born 1853 in Newfoundland, Spike an ex soldier himself was from a long line of military men Like many military families they have connections all over the place RIP Spike a comic genius Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 01/02/2014 09:46, Jennifer Myers wrote: > Nivard, did you try the Scottish records for MILLIGAN? > Milligans connect to my Carnie family (+Cairnie/Cairney and var. spellings). > > A number of them in AYR, WIG, KKD, DFS. > > Would be good to know if they are related to mine from WIG (late 1700s) > AYR(1800s+) > A possibility of some of this name in Ireland too! > > Regards > Jenny

On 31/01/2014 12:55, Peter Christian wrote: > The correct approach has been demonstrated by Guy Etchells - you ask TNA to > allow you to see the record for a particular household and then, when they > refuse, you appeal to the Information Commissioner. This is how we got the > 1911 census earlier than 2011 in spite of the government's earlier refusal. > However, it's one thing for the IC to overturn custom three years before the > anticipated release of a census and quite another for him to override > legislation seven years in advance of release. The approach taken by Guy Etchells worked simply because the rules for the 1911 census were different so it was possible to get it released early. There is specific legislation covering the 1921. As you say, the government has better things to do than rewrite legislation for the sake of a group of hobbyists. The 1939 National Registration is available now and while that is not exactly the same as a census, it's the next best thing. Unfortunately you have to pay heavily for the information. -- Connie http://oursalmons.wordpress.com/

Even though I whole-heartedly support this petition in principle, I think one must be realistic. This question came up in parliament some years ago (under the last Labour government) and was dealt with pretty decisively then - the 100 year rule was enshrined in the legislation for the 1921 census and was not just "customary", as it had been before. No government is going to use parliamentary time to repeal a single paragraph of legislation just to satisfy a group of people with a particular hobby. Given the number of people in the 1921 who are still alive, there might well be a campaign *against* the general release of the records. Also, sorry to sound pessimistic but there is no hope of getting 100,000 signatures. There was a well publicised petition in 2007 on reducing the census closure period, which closed with 23,602 signatories (I think this is what prompted the parliamentary statement) , and there was a later one which got even fewer. The correct approach has been demonstrated by Guy Etchells - you ask TNA to allow you to see the record for a particular household and then, when they refuse, you appeal to the Information Commissioner. This is how we got the 1911 census earlier than 2011 in spite of the government's earlier refusal. However, it's one thing for the IC to overturn custom three years before the anticipated release of a census and quite another for him to override legislation seven years in advance of release. peter -----Original Message----- From: sussex-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sussex-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of David Hopkins Sent: 31 January 2014 09:37 To: sussex-plus@rootsweb.com Subject: [SXP] 1921 Census Hi Everyone, As you will know the 1921 UK census is not due for release until 2022, but if we can get 100,000 signatures the government will consider early release. The 1931 census results were destroyed in a fire and there was no census in 1941, so this will be the last for a long time. The link to the petition is: http//epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/49199 If as many of us as possible sign this petition, it might just work. If you could forward to as many friends and family who you know will support this idea and sign up! Best wishes David Bexhill, East Sussex, UK ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SUSSEX-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3462 / Virus Database: 3684/7046 - Release Date: 01/30/14

On 31/01/2014 09:36, David Hopkins wrote: > As you will know the 1921 UK census is not due for release until 2022, but > if we can get 100,000 signatures the government will consider early release. > > The 1931 census results were destroyed in a fire and there was no census in > 1941, so this will be the last for a long time. You are overlooking the 1939 National Registration. 100,000 signatures will only get consideration for putting before parliament. It won't guarantee parliamentary consideration nor consideration for early release. Like Tony Blair who dreamed up this idea to make the public think they can influence, David Cameron has stated he won't take any notice of any petition no matter how many signatures it gains. These petitions are a waste of time. -- Connie http://oursalmons.wordpress.com/

Hello David, I have just signed the petition using website https://submissions.epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/49199 Kind regards Barbara Lewis Mallyon -----Original Message----- From: David Hopkins Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 9:36 AM To: sussex-plus@rootsweb.com Subject: [SXP] 1921 Census Hi Everyone, As you will know the 1921 UK census is not due for release until 2022, but if we can get 100,000 signatures the government will consider early release. The 1931 census results were destroyed in a fire and there was no census in 1941, so this will be the last for a long time. The link to the petition is: http//epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/49199 If as many of us as possible sign this petition, it might just work. If you could forward to as many friends and family who you know will support this idea and sign up! Best wishes David Bexhill, East Sussex, UK

On Fri, 31 Jan 2014 09:36:45 +0000 David Hopkins <davidhopkins_bexhill@hotmail.com> wrote: Hello David, >As you will know the 1921 UK census is not due for release until 2022, >but if we can get 100,000 signatures the government will consider early >release. No they won't. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent" This is the fifty first state of the USA Heartland - The The

Hi Everyone, As you will know the 1921 UK census is not due for release until 2022, but if we can get 100,000 signatures the government will consider early release. The 1931 census results were destroyed in a fire and there was no census in 1941, so this will be the last for a long time. The link to the petition is: http//epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/49199 If as many of us as possible sign this petition, it might just work. If you could forward to as many friends and family who you know will support this idea and sign up! Best wishes David Bexhill, East Sussex, UK

Hi Valerie Do we have a name to check My guess would be a birth in India that was not registered and later it was found that a proof of birth was required for some reason The 4 probably relates to the correction by the registrar, they kept a record of all corrections and alterations A look at the certificate may make it clearer Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 30/01/2014 13:37, Valerie lirakis wrote: > A lister on another (unrelated) mailing list sent the following message > yesterday, regarding a birth certificate listed under the British India > Office. > > "The certificate has 'When born' column with a Bolton address. In the Sex > column, it has Boy then underneath there appears to be 'Girl' crossed out > but under that a '4'. Could a certificate be issued for a 4 year old who > had been born in India but if so I would have expected a note to indicate > that. > > The date of birth is 25th May 1870 but the certificate is dated 25th January > 1887" > > Could anyone explain the apparent inconsistencies of this, and why it > appears amongst British India records? I haven't seen this entry myself as > I don't subscribe to FMP. > > Valerie