Paul, This is the full selected record Registration Number Last Name Given Name(s) Father's Given Name(s) Mother's Given Name(s) District Purchase Certificate 8846/1964 LEE MING-KEE KAN-YUEN WAI-MAN TAREE Buy Now If reg no 8846 / 1964 is the death, it was registered at Taree on the Mid North Coast of New South Wales, which is a long way from the Gold Coast in Queensland. What extra information is his brother hoping to find. At lot will depend on who was the informant and what they new. Have a look at http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/bdm_fh.html At the bottom of the page is a list of approved transcription agents who provide full certificate copies for about half price. But if for legal purposes, you must use the Government issue. On the same page in the LH margin is a tab to Registry Records. If you click on that and scroll down you will see what information is captured in a normal death certificate. You might also try a selection of Google searches featuring Ming Lee 1964. There may be some newspaper reports. There should also be a coroner's report or autopsy, but it would probably need proof of relationship and a fee to get papers from NSW State Archives. Peter in Sydney

He is after the DEATH Certificate. Regards Terry Walls 17 Ainsworth Street Mawson ACT 2607 email: terry.walls@solutionsfocussed.com.au ph: +61 2 62864390 Mob: +61 0407065570 Fax: +61 2 62901625 -----Original Message----- From: sussex-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sussex-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jennifer Myers Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2014 5:17 PM To: Paul Cheesman; SUSSEX-PLUS@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SXP] Australian connection Hi Paul Each state and territory in Australia holds their own BDM registers, here is the entry from NSW BDMs Registration Number Last Name Given Name(s) Father's Given Name(s) Mother's Given Name(s) District 2478/1962 LEE LIE MING 85 YRS SUMMER HILL ASHFIELD 8846/1964 LEE MING-KEE KAN-YUEN WAI-MAN TAREE Looks like he was registered in NSW Paul. http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/ Google Turtle Consolidated, order and have Laurie send you a transcript by email, far cheaper option than purchasing a registered copy, that is unless he requires it to be a formal certificate where you will have to buy online through NSW BDM at full price. Maybe the other entry is another relation ? Hope this helps, Jenny -----Original Message----- From: Paul Cheesman Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2014 4:49 PM To: SSX-PLUS Mailing List Subject: [SXP] Australian connection Dear friends, Apologies in advance for being slightly off country - can anyone give me advice on acquiring a death certificate from Australia? A close friend is wanting the certificate of his brother Ming Kay LEE who died in an accident on the Gold Coast, which I assume is all in Queensland, in 1963. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SUSSEX-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Paul Each state and territory in Australia holds their own BDM registers, here is the entry from NSW BDMs Registration Number Last Name Given Name(s) Father's Given Name(s) Mother's Given Name(s) District 2478/1962 LEE LIE MING 85 YRS SUMMER HILL ASHFIELD 8846/1964 LEE MING-KEE KAN-YUEN WAI-MAN TAREE Looks like he was registered in NSW Paul. http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/ Google Turtle Consolidated, order and have Laurie send you a transcript by email, far cheaper option than purchasing a registered copy, that is unless he requires it to be a formal certificate where you will have to buy online through NSW BDM at full price. Maybe the other entry is another relation ? Hope this helps, Jenny -----Original Message----- From: Paul Cheesman Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2014 4:49 PM To: SSX-PLUS Mailing List Subject: [SXP] Australian connection Dear friends, Apologies in advance for being slightly off country - can anyone give me advice on acquiring a death certificate from Australia? A close friend is wanting the certificate of his brother Ming Kay LEE who died in an accident on the Gold Coast, which I assume is all in Queensland, in 1963. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Dear Jennifer, Sorry - bit emotional - you have found him thanks (8846). I assume I apply direct to NSW for the certificate. Regards, Paul

Thanks guys for all your help. No luck so far as I forgot to say he was a Hong Kong citizen not Australian!! Regards, Paul

Dear friends, Apologies in advance for being slightly off country - can anyone give me advice on acquiring a death certificate from Australia? A close friend is wanting the certificate of his brother Ming Kay LEE who died in an accident on the Gold Coast, which I assume is all in Queensland, in 1963. Hope this is possible? Regards, Paul (Bangkok)

Go to http://www.service.nsw.gov.au/transaction/order-family-history-certificate Where you can find details of how to order BMDs. I have ordered a death cert recently and received it in two weeks. Good luck. Ros. -----Original Message----- From: sussex-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sussex-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Paul Cheesman Sent: 05 March 2014 06:50 To: Jennifer Myers Cc: <SUSSEX-PLUS@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [SXP] Australian connection Dear Jennifer, Sorry - bit emotional - you have found him thanks (8846). I assume I apply direct to NSW for the certificate. Regards, Paul ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SUSSEX-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Greetings Listers If I've got it right, I may be descended from John YOUNG who married Katherine CORY in Rye on 19 Jan 1544(5). Checking the SFHG database, I find daughter Anna baptised 25 Oct 1547, buried 6 Apr 1549, described as daughter of John on both occasions. John son of John **Jurett** was baptised on 28 May 1553, Bregett daughter John **Jurett" was buried on 28 Aug 1553 (no baptism found), Recherd (Richard) son of John "Jurett" was baptised on 11 Nov 1556, William son of master "Jurett" was buried on 15 Aug 1558 (no baptism found), Elzebeth daughter of John "Mayar" was baptised on 11 Jul 1559 and buried as daughter of John "Jurett" on 5 May 1560. In the 1570s, there are children of John (baptised 1556?), Thomas, William and George baptised in Rye (no baptisms found for latter 3 fathers though). The only YOUNGs (of whatever spelling) found in Rye between 1547 and 1560, whether baptisms or burials, were children of John who was not a Jurat initially but later described as such, or as Mayor. Would I be safe in thinking that these children all belong to the one John? Also whose sons were Thomas, William (John had a William buried in 1558 so may have had another one) and George. Is there somewhere where I can check out Jurats and Mayors of Rye in the 1500s and also find if Thomas, William and George were also John's sons. "Historic Hastings" is a great book for Hastings history. Is there a comparable one for Rye? Many thanks Pam Beaudesert, Queensland, Australia

SFHG will be holding a family and Local History fair at the Fishbourne Centre, near Chichester, on Saturday 17 May 2014 from 10am to 4pm. Admission is free. Free Parking for 140 cars. Refreshments will be available for purchase from 10am to 3pm. The SFHG bookshop will be present plus other stands, including a selection of local & family history societies from the area of south west Sussex and south east Hampshire. There will also be a display that we hope will be of particular interest to beginners; plus our team of advisers will be there to help you to solve your research problems. For more information, please go to http://www.sfhg.org.uk/FH%20Day%202014.pdf . Best wishes, Marion Woolgar Bognor Regis, West Sussex

Would like to hear from anyone researching the surname of LONGDON with links to Sussex, Kent and London areas. Have much info to share. Chris Longdon Sent from my iPad

Hi Peter, Mary Ann Pelling nee Skinner died 15th Sept 1854 about the same time as her youngest son George and two weeks before Dearing. The family is definitely falling apart, son William goes to goal in 1859, Robert (my G Grandfather) joined the army in 1855. (I have not been able to explain that George is born George Alfred and died George Frederick but I put it down to "sorrow") As you say Joseph & Fanny do not appear on the 1861 census but I think I have them in the 1871 census. I was going back to try some "fuzzing" spellings as they must be there somewhere and I am wondering if William, Joseph & Fanny are in a workhouse. I think James is an Errand Boy / servant with his age reduced a couple of years in the 1861 census. I have wondered about a couple of deaths in the "freebmd" for William Pillinger in 1854 & 1857 (Bristol, Clifton & Bedminster) but not sure about outlaying for three death certificates on only a slim possibility. Not yet anyway. Thank you so much for your time and effort. I really appreciate having another look at things, sometimes it turns up nothing but sometimes another can spot something that you have missed. Thank you Pat -----Original Message----- From: sussex-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sussex-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Peter R Booth Sent: Monday, 17 February 2014 8:07 PM To: SUSSEX-PLUS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SXP] PELLING Pat, Looking at all Ancestry census records for England for any William Pelling born 1805-1815, it's obvious there are inconsistencies. It's hard to match one census against another or match to death records on FreeBMD. In 1841 there are three William Pelling 1805-1815 entries - one in Gloucestershire and two in Sussex . Snip My apologies if I've caused any anxiety. And we still don't have a logical death for William Peter in Sydney ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SUSSEX-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Pat, Looking at all Ancestry census records for England for any William Pelling born 1805-1815, it's obvious there are inconsistencies. It's hard to match one census against another or match to death records on FreeBMD. In 1841 there are three William Pelling 1805-1815 entries - one in Gloucestershire and two in Sussex . In 1851 there are five - one in Gloucestershire, two in Sussex and two in Lancashire. One of the two new entries in Lancashire arrived from Ireland, but the other is inconsistent with 1841 data. It also suggest neither the Gloucestershire or Sussex people have died. In 1861 there are four - three in Sussex and one in Lancashire. So you'd assume one has died and one has moved to Sussex. But half the wives, birthplaces, and place of residence differ to 1851. In 1871 there are two - one in Sussex and one in Suffolk. All wives appear to have died. The one is Suffolk is transcribed with birth place of Essex, which has no match in any earlier census. So none of it makes much sense. There is either inconsistency of data given to the enumerator, or errors in transcription In this environment, I can see why people jump to the wrong conclusion. Reading the data as it stands, one has to assume that the Bristol man dies between 1851 and 1861. You say his wife Mary died in 1854. I can't locate the youngest children James 1847 and Joseph 1849 in 1861 census, and the others are scattered. This indicates a possible family disaster. The boys appear again in 1871, so they didn't die. Have a look on FreeBMD for All Events for Pelling in Bristol 1851-1861? There's a Fanny born 9/1852 and a George Alfred born 6/1854. Then there's a death for George Frederick and Mary in 9/1854. Is Fanny another daughter? Are the two George's the same person? There's 11 deaths for William Pelling in this period, but none in the Bristol area. Is he mistranscribed along with James and Joseph in 1861? As for the 1875 death in Thakenham, I believe that he is the Ag Labourer who has lived in Sussex all his life. His wife was Ann. In 1871, he is living at Laughton with son William. I've tried hard to help. But all the arguments get confusing. It could be that you are right and all the trees on Ancestry are wrong. It wouldn't be the first time. My apologies if I've caused any anxiety. And we still don't have a logical death for William Peter in Sydney

Hi Peter, Thank you very much for your time and effort. I will go back and re -check the census. This afternoon I can finally get back into Mundia so I will check that out too. Thank you Pat -----Original Message----- From: sussex-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sussex-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Peter R Booth Sent: Monday, 17 February 2014 11:52 AM To: SUSSEX-PLUS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SXP] PELLING Pat, 1841 census has two possibilities for William PELLING born 1808 +/- 5 yrs, one in Bristol, the other in Sussex. Both have a son William born about 1833. And from 1851 census, the one in Bristol was born in Sussex. So I can see how they can be easily confused. The trees on Ancestry all give William's parents as Francis Pelling and Catherine Charlett, as do you.. They had William as the youngest of 14 children. Those that have his marriage, have wife Mary. The one that looked most complete, had his son William marrying Caroline Heyward. You might try looking on Ancestry's associate site Mundia for family trees. My problem is that I don't know who's right and who's wrong, and it would require me to recheck every bit of research of both sides, effectively doing the job twice. Realistically, it's not my problem. My advice is to check both through all available census records from 1841 onwards. It should go a long way to resolving the issue. Peter ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SUSSEX-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Pat, 1841 census has two possibilities for William PELLING born 1808 +/- 5 yrs, one in Bristol, the other in Sussex. Both have a son William born about 1833. And from 1851 census, the one in Bristol was born in Sussex. So I can see how they can be easily confused. The trees on Ancestry all give William's parents as Francis Pelling and Catherine Charlett, as do you.. They had William as the youngest of 14 children. Those that have his marriage, have wife Mary. The one that looked most complete, had his son William marrying Caroline Heyward. You might try looking on Ancestry's associate site Mundia for family trees. My problem is that I don't know who's right and who's wrong, and it would require me to recheck every bit of research of both sides, effectively doing the job twice. Realistically, it's not my problem. My advice is to check both through all available census records from 1841 onwards. It should go a long way to resolving the issue. Peter

HI Peter, Thank you for that but I suspect (and this is where I did not record properly) that, that is another William Pelling. My William Pelling's son William died in gaol "for theft" in Bristol in 1871 and his wife and children were "visitors" at Bristol RC 10/2548. I have not followed down with any of the siblings that had remained in Sussex and I guess I was looking for a starting point to see if he went to live with family - maybe he was in a "workhouse". Although he was one of 15 and the youngest 5 left Sussex, of the older 10, I believe that 4 died young and with only single names it is rather "dangerous" to go looking for their marriages without something else to pin point them. :-) Anyway the remaining siblings were - Maria 1788 Sompting, James 1789 Sompting, Jane 1791 Sompting, Elizabeth 1792 sompting, Mary 1793, Sompting, Caroline 1795 Sompting, Thank you Pat -----Original Message----- From: sussex-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sussex-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Peter R Booth Sent: Sunday, 16 February 2014 9:20 PM To: SUSSEX-PLUS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SXP] PELLING Pat, None of the submitted trees on Ancestry have attached census records. To me that means they've only done half the job. A quick look at 1871 found William Pelling b1808 living with son William and his family. I forgot to note the location. . But you need to look at all census records from 1841 onwards and be able to trace the family as it changes. Obviously the people who had his death in 1854 didn't look for an official record. And the people who had 1872 didn't see that was for Moses. Those researchers are supposedly descendants. So if you found them, would you accept their data. It would be wrong. It's far better to ask the list for a series of unbiased opinions, and then do the required follow up. Peter ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SUSSEX-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Pat, The 1871 census entry was at Hailsham, which looks about 35 miles from Thakeham and appears to be in an adjoining registration district. His age is out a couple of years, but he does have a son William born c1833 that appears to match. But they could be false matches. There could be more than one father and son named William. However, his birthplace is Sussex and I think grocer (1862) and Victualler (1871) are pretty close. What shop didn't sell beer? I'm not sure if your 1871 search set criteria too tight or you discounted this find. I think you need to find and extract every bit of data from every available census. Let the list know if you can't find 1861. I'll look tomorrow. Peter

HI Tim, Thank you for your input. I appreciate the suggestions. Pat -----Original Message----- From: sussex-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sussex-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tim Powys-Lybbe Sent: Sunday, 16 February 2014 9:07 PM To: SUSSEX-PLUS@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SXP] PELLING On 16 Feb at 9:50, "Pat Wade" <pmwade@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > Hi Peter, > > Sorry for the lack of details but I was more looking for fellow > researchers of this Family as I thought to give all the details would > have taken too long. This is a discussion group. There are lots of people here who like to help. Some of them are very experienced in looking up records and enjoy a good puzzle. So the more you give them to get off the starting blocks, the more you might, just, get back in return. Certainly I was astonished by the excellent response I got about a gt-gt-grandfather last year. None of the responses were from people researching my forebears. The advantage of having an open discussion in this group is that we can all learn from those who can find a few good answers. If you take your discussion private there is much less that we all learn. -- Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org for a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SUSSEX-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Pat, None of the submitted trees on Ancestry have attached census records. To me that means they've only done half the job. A quick look at 1871 found William Pelling b1808 living with son William and his family. I forgot to note the location. . But you need to look at all census records from 1841 onwards and be able to trace the family as it changes. Obviously the people who had his death in 1854 didn't look for an official record. And the people who had 1872 didn't see that was for Moses. Those researchers are supposedly descendants. So if you found them, would you accept their data. It would be wrong. It's far better to ask the list for a series of unbiased opinions, and then do the required follow up. Peter

Hi Peter, Thank you. William Pelling was born 10/7/1808 in Sompting, Sussex. He married on the 19/6/1832 in Bedminster, Bristol to Mary Ann Skinner. They had 12 children. William was a perfumer/wigmaker with a number of his siblings - Dearing who died in Bristol in 1838, Harriet death or marriage not found. In 1841 he was in Pennywell Rd, Bristol and in 1851 at 6 Eugene St Bristol. William Pelling received burns to his hands in a house fire at Pennywell road Bristol in 1842. Business partnership with Harriet ent He was in Gaol in Bristol in June 1843 and discharged under the "relief of insolvent debtors" in July 1843. His wife and two children died in 1854 within two weeks of each other - possibly from Cholera - In Bristol. Then he just disappears from the radar - but on his sons wedding in 1862 it states he is a grocer. His son was in the 32nd Regiment and the wedding was in Devon. His son enlisted in 1855 at Bristol. I have tried to follow a couple of those deaths but had ruled at least one of them out - but could be wrong. I have not been able to find him in the 1861 or 1871 census. Thank you Pat -----Original Message----- From: sussex-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sussex-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Peter R Booth Sent: Sunday, 16 February 2014 7:21 PM To: SUSSEX-PLUS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SXP] PELLING Pat, William Pelling b1808 appears in seven public trees on Ancestry. Three have no death details; three have 12 Nov 1872; and one has 1854. The 1872 death at Hailsham is listed on FreeBMD as Moses Pelling. In 1854, FreeBMD has four possibilities. This is where it's important to know where he was living in 1851, where his wife died, and if you've found him or his children in 1861. If you believe he died in 1875, all the above are wrong. But you have to make a case for him in 1871 census. Certainly the given age of 67 fits an 1808 birth. Peter ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SUSSEX-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Peter, Sorry for the lack of details but I was more looking for fellow researchers of this Family as I thought to give all the details would have taken too long. I will take on board your suggestions for my next post. Thank you very much Pat -----Original Message----- From: sussex-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sussex-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Peter R Booth Sent: Sunday, 16 February 2014 7:02 PM To: SUSSEX-PLUS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SXP] PELLING Pat, You're asking about the family of Francis Pelling and Catherine CHARLETT but you haven't given us the names and birthplaces of children. In particular, you ask about their son William and his wife, but you don't give any details. When was he born? Who did he marry? Where have you found him in 1841, 1851 etc before his wife died? It's important to provide vital details so people don't have to look up what you already know. Peter ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SUSSEX-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message