The Regnal year 12 Elizabeth I is from 17 Nov 1569 to 16 Nov 1570, per Cheyney's Handbook Book of Dates. So, in your example 07 January would be 1569 Julian; and that year needs to be corrected to the Gregorian calendar year of 1570. I would quote it as 1569/70 to avoid the doubt as to which year the event takes place. Best wishes, Marion Woolgar Bognor Regis, West Sussex

On 24/03/2014 11:52, PMR wrote: > Greetings Listers > > I know Elizabeth I began her reign in 1558. > > However, I'm not quite sure which year according to our calendar > that '7 Jan 12 Elizabeth' is. Is it 1570? Maybe 1571? > > Can someone help me please? A monarch's reign starts on the day he or she ascended to the throne. Elizabeth ascended the throne on 17 November 1558 so the first year of her reign ran from that date to 16 November 1559. The second year from 17 November 1559. The 12th year of her reign would have started on 17 November 1569 which means 7 January 12 Elizabeth would have been 7 January 1569 because the new calendar year began on 25 March http://www.britroyals.com/reigned.asp -- Connie http://oursalmons.wordpress.com/

You do have to be *really* careful how you use and interpret any catalogue or index entry for Settlement Certificates. In most cases, the records are filed at according to the parish where the documents were found in the parish chest. The Certificate would be given by the parish where the person was legally settled (parish A) to the parish where that person was living at the time (parish B), acknowledging that (A) had financial responsibility for the person, should they need recourse to Poor Relief. So, it is most likely that the Certificate would be found in the parish where the person was living (parish B), but that isn't always the case! So, in the example that you have quoted, it looks as if the parish of settlement would have been Hastings, All Saints and that they gave the Settlement Certificate to Hastings, St. Clement. Am I certain about this, NO! To be certain, you need either to see the original document at ESRO; or look at the image on film or fiche at your local LDS Family History Centre; or refer to a reliable published digest that makes the distinction clear. For the latter, and in the case of this particular entry, I recommend "Eastern Sussex Settlement Certificates 1670 to 1832" by Michael Burchall, published by the PRTS on CD and available from the SFHG Bookstall, or via the Parish Chest website, or perhaps your library service has a copy or can obtain one for you. Best wishes, Marion Woolgar Bognor Regis, West Sussex

Greetings Listers I'm confused as to whether the Settlement Certificate referred to below is FROM St Clement's or TO St Clement's. PARISH OF HASTINGS ST CLEMENT Catalogue Ref. PAR367 - Former Catalogue Ref. PAR367 Creator(s): Church of England, Hastings St Clement Parish, East Sussex Overseers of the Poor: settlement - ref. PAR367/32 - Settlement certificates FILE - Settlement certificate - ref. PAR367/32/1/232 - date: 3 Nov 1773 [from Scope and Content] Thomas Daniel the younger, wife Dorothy and child Mary (2); Hastings All Saints Could some one sort me out please? Many thanks Pam Beaudesert, Queensland, Australia

Hello Pam, I would suggest that it just means what it says on the tin - ie your relative's legal settlement was Hastings St Clement, and any one of the following could be true: 1) The relative was seeking poor relief elsewhere and was subjected to an examination and the last legal settlement was established to be Hastings St Clement (a removal would probably then have followed) 2) The relative was seeking poor relief in Hastings St Clement and was subjected to an examination and found to be legally settled there, and therefore entitled to remain and receive the relief. 3) The relative was looking to work/reside elsewhere, and just sought a certificate from his home parish acknowledging his settlement in the hopes that he would be more welcome in the new parish if they had the comfort of knowing that Hastings St Clement acknowledged him and were prepared to take responsibility for him until he was established in the new place. Regards -----Original Message----- From: sussex-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sussex-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of PMR Sent: 22 March 2014 00:23 To: SSX-PLUS Mailing List Subject: [SXP] Settlement Certificate puzzle Greetings Listers I'm confused as to whether the Settlement Certificate referred to below is FROM St Clement's or TO St Clement's. PARISH OF HASTINGS ST CLEMENT Catalogue Ref. PAR367 - Former Catalogue Ref. PAR367 Creator(s): Church of England, Hastings St Clement Parish, East Sussex Overseers of the Poor: settlement - ref. PAR367/32 - Settlement certificates FILE - Settlement certificate - ref. PAR367/32/1/232 - date: 3 Nov 1773 [from Scope and Content] Thomas Daniel the younger, wife Dorothy and child Mary (2); Hastings All Saints Could some one sort me out please? Many thanks Pam Beaudesert, Queensland, Australia ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SUSSEX-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My GAWENs are a little later than that but not much. Frances On 18/03/2014 22:09, PMR wrote: > Greetings Listers > > While browsing the Internet, I cam across a message posted on a > Message Board (forgotten which one, but I'm not a member) by Sharon L > Wells saying 'I have GAWENs from Hastings in the 1500s'. > > Sharon, are you out there? I have GAWENs in Hastings way back there > too. I'd be very interested in making contact with you. > > Cheers > > Pam > Beaudesert, Queensland, Australia

Greetings Listers While browsing the Internet, I cam across a message posted on a Message Board (forgotten which one, but I'm not a member) by Sharon L Wells saying 'I have GAWENs from Hastings in the 1500s'. Sharon, are you out there? I have GAWENs in Hastings way back there too. I'd be very interested in making contact with you. Cheers Pam Beaudesert, Queensland, Australia

Hello Eve, I found the following if it helps you all in Puttenham, Surrey Burial of William MARSHALL age 47 5 April 1827 Baptisms of MARSHALL'S James son of William and Hannah MARSHALL 25 March 1827 James son of Thomas and Ruth of Monksgrove (ancient woodland in Puttenham). 6 May 1827. George son of William and Jane of Monksgrove 18 May 1828 Baptisms of WINTER'S Elizabeth WINTER daughter of John and Mary 28 January 1827 Sarah WINTER daughter of John and Mary 1 March 1828 I looked for the baptism of Jane WINTER born Puttenham, she was not Christened in Puttenham or BRAMLEY I could not find any marriage in Bramley, Surrey for Mary Ann or Walter MITCHELL. Hope this info helps. Kind regards Barbara Lewis Mallyon -----Original Message----- From: Eve Ferguson Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 12:01 AM To: Sussex Plus Sussex Plus Subject: [SXP] Puttenham Hi Listers. I have a Jane Winter born in Puttenham in 1827 she is on 1861 of Bramley with Walter Mitchell born 1828 from Billingshurst from about 1853 but I have not found a marriage. Can SKS suggest where I might find this marriage please I have searched every site on line. Their children were Mary Ann 1854 Alfred 1855 both bapt. in Guildford. and Emeline 1856 and Meshack (sic) 1858 both bapt. in Bramley. There is a marriage of a Jane Winter 1853 Hambledon District (right for Puttenham) but she did not marry Walter Mitchell Any assistance would be appreciated. Thanks Eve (Canada now) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SUSSEX-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Eve, I'd suggest the Mar 1853 marriage at Hambledon has a transcription error. I'm guessing bride's father is William Winter and he's been written or transcribed in the box for the groom. You could look if there's an entry on Family Search, ask FreeBMD to check., or buy the certificate . Do you know if her father was William? Peter

Hi Listers. I have a Jane Winter born in Puttenham in 1827 she is on 1861 of Bramley with Walter Mitchell born 1828 from Billingshurst from about 1853 but I have not found a marriage. Can SKS suggest where I might find this marriage please I have searched every site on line. Their children were Mary Ann 1854 Alfred 1855 both bapt. in Guildford. and Emeline 1856 and Meshack (sic) 1858 both bapt. in Bramley. There is a marriage of a Jane Winter 1853 Hambledon District (right for Puttenham) but she did not marry Walter Mitchell Any assistance would be appreciated. Thanks Eve (Canada now)

Hi from Aus, Could some kind soul please do a look-up for me, on the Sussex Marriages CD for a marriage between the above two people, and possibly their parents.. Elizabeth Boniface was supposedly born about 1819 while John Francis (or Francisco) was possibly born about 1813 in Eastbourne. This couple were supposed to have 2 children - Emma (1838) and Charles (1839/40) both born In Eastbourne. The family left England on the "Albert" which arrived in Australia on the 19th January, 1841. John (age given as 28), Elizabeth (age given 22), Emma (2and a half) and Charles (7mths.) After their arrival in Australia John & Elizabeth had a further 12 children, and when they were of marriageable ages all the girls married using the surname of Francisco, while the boys married under the Francis surname.. John's parents were John Francis (or Francisco) (1775-1816) born in Portugal & a Harriet Cramp (1794-1856). They also supposedly married in Sussex. John & Harriet also had a daughter Ann born in 1815. John (Snr) was supposed to have died in Indonesia in 1816, and I can't find Harriet or Ann in any census records in Sussex. Please help me break down this brick wall. It would be much appreciated. Many thanks.......Robyn Arkinstall.

Robyn - The marriage is listed on FreeBMD, April-June 1838 at Eastbourne, Sussex. The groom spelled his name Francisco. Elisabeth is spelled with an "s". According to a death registration transcription that is on Ancestry.co.uk, John Francis died 30 Aug 1899 at Lindsay St, Hamilton, NSW. He was a gardener, age 85. He had been born at Eastbourne, and spent 60 years in NSW. He was 22 when he married Elizabeth Boniface. They had the following children listed at the time of his death: Charles, 59; George, 57; Harriet, 55; Edward, 46; Martha, 44; John Baldwin, 42; Elizabeth Ann, 39; living. 5 males, 2 females deceased. The informant was Elizabeth A Moore, daughter, Lindsay St., Hamilton. There is a very nice picture of him posted on Ancestry. The headstone "Francis." Elizabeth died 17 March 1876 or 1878 (cannot make it out). The headstone was "erected" by his grand daughter, Esther Leonard. Hope this is of some help. Lynne -----Original Message----- From: Robyn & Bill Arkinstall Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 5:08 AM To: SUSSEX-PLUS@rootsweb.com Subject: [SXP] Elizabeth Boniface & John Francis (or Francisco) Hi from Aus, Could some kind soul please do a look-up for me, on the Sussex Marriages CD for a marriage between the above two people, and possibly their parents.. Elizabeth Boniface was supposedly born about 1819 while John Francis (or Francisco) was possibly born about 1813 in Eastbourne. This couple were supposed to have 2 children - Emma (1838) and Charles (1839/40) both born In Eastbourne. The family left England on the "Albert" which arrived in Australia on the 19th January, 1841. John (age given as 28), Elizabeth (age given 22), Emma (2and a half) and Charles (7mths.) After their arrival in Australia John & Elizabeth had a further 12 children, and when they were of marriageable ages all the girls married using the surname of Francisco, while the boys married under the Francis surname.. John's parents were John Francis (or Francisco) (1775-1816) born in Portugal & a Harriet Cramp (1794-1856). They also supposedly married in Sussex. John & Harriet also had a daughter Ann born in 1815. John (Snr) was supposed to have died in Indonesia in 1816, and I can't find Harriet or Ann in any census records in Sussex. Please help me break down this brick wall. It would be much appreciated. Many thanks.......Robyn Arkinstall. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SUSSEX-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Greetings Listers From lists found in "Historic Hastings" by J Mainwaring Baines, both Robert PHILLIPS and his wife Mary were Licensees of the "Anchor Without (or Outside) the Walls" (not the one currently in George Street) in the 1700s. Robert PHILLIPS is listed as Licensee from 1729 to 1744 when he died (wife later noted as widow). His burial has not been discovered. In the midst of this time-frame a Settlement Certificate was issued for Robert to move either to or from All Saints' Parish (I always get confused as to which way it goes!). Mary PHILLIPS, widow, is listed as Licensee from 1744 to 1751 when she died (I've been told that she was buried on 30 Oct 1751 but which Church hasn't been discovered). I've tried the SFHG Burials for both All Saints' and St Clement's for PHILLIP and PHILLIPS but haven't located a likely burial for either Robert or Mary. Maybe I'm just not seeing straight! Can anyone point me in the right direction to locate the burials and to be clear which way the Settlement was. Many thanks. Pam Beaudesert, Queensland, Australia

Good Evening, Could anyone please do me a lookup for the burial and if possible Monumental Inscription of husband and wife whom according to there wills died in Hove, Sussex as follows: George Middleton Kiell 29 April 1918 Eleanor Jane Kiell 31 March 1921 Both died at the same address : 8 Palmeira Court, Hove, Sussex. Thankyou I appreciate any help given as i live in Sunderland and would be unable to locate there grave my self. Regards Lee :-)

I have just received the following from the Rootsweb LEGAL-ENGWLS@rootsweb.com which will probably be of interest to all of us. I would also like to recommend LEGAL-ENGWLS@rootsweb.com to everyone. It deals with current legal aspects of genealogy including copyright, database rights, data protection and privacy in England and Wales. It is not a very active list and there are few who subscribe to it but I have received a great deal of help from it. To subscribe send the usual email to: LEGAL-ENGWLS-request@rootsweb.com There is a campaign to get the Historic Birth, Marriage and Death registers open to the public without having to purchase certificates. This could be done by either transferring the centralised registers held by the GRO to the National Archive or by transferring the registers held by superintendent registrars to the County Record Offices. In addition a number of commercial companies would be willing to digitise the registers allowing them to be available online and also available at the archives free of charge. See http://tinyurl.com/nnrr23j for further details. The government is amenable to opening data to the public, the Registrars General have continually claimed to "be working towards this". For this campaign to work your support is necessary, please write or email to your MP and ask them to support the campaign. If you are a member of the Society of Genealogists or a Family History Society, please contact them and ask them to support the campaign. Also please talk to your friends, write to newspapers, forums, mailing lists radio and TV, the more people that are aware of the campaign the more chance of success. Apathy will destroy any chance of success. These registers are your heritage. They are archived for your information Please help to make it Easier and Cheaper to access them Cheers Guy

Broadwater, St. Mary is the ancient parish for the town of Worthing. The first Worthing church to be built was St. Paul in 1812 and that church was originally a chapel-at-ease to Broadwater and only became a parish in its own right much later in about 1892 (from memory). In fact, all the Worthing parishes, Christ Church, St. Andrew, St. George & Holy Trinity were subdivisions of Broadwater. St Matthew was originally a chapel-at-ease to Holy Trinity. Only Broadwater, St. Mary and Worthing, Christ Church have burial grounds and they ceased to be used (apart from 2nd interments in existing graves) in 1863 when the Broadwater & Worthing Cemetery opened in South Farm Road. Broadwater & Worthing are synonymous from the early 1800's. So, when I am doing census etc searches for people born in the Worthing area, I specify for Worthing first and then if I don't find the entry, I do the same search using Broadwater. It's quite surprising how often that works, way up to 1881. Also, people born in Durrington, Goring, Heene and West Tarring might well consider themselves to be born in the Worthing area, especially for census purposes. Best wishes, Marion Woolgar Bognor Regis, West Sussex SFHG Member No: 3323

BELVILLE is not a name that is found often in Sussex, but there are some entries for that surname in the registers of Broadwater, St. Mary. You have obviously made a number of searches trying to find Louisa BELVILLE born circa 1837 Worthing and others who have attempted to answer your query have obviously found it equally difficult to find any trace of her prior to her marriage in 1857. Now, this is a *very* long shot, but as she appears to have been born illegitimately according to her Marriage Register entry, I am wondering whether Louisa is her birth name, or one that she chose for herself later in life, or perhaps it was changed for her by an institution or by an employer. This was not uncommon. Barrie Keech has transcribed the registers of Broadwater St. Mary and you will find the details on his web site at http://www.barriesgenealogy.co.uk/html/st_mary_s_baptisms_1558-1909.html . On 31 Jul 1836, there is a baptism for an Ellen Sarah BELVILLE, daughter of Elizabeth, a spinster of Worthing. This fits the surname, date, place and circumstances of birth it is only the Christian names that are different. On the 1841 Census at HO107/1095/3 folio 41b at Broadwater Street, an Ellen BELVELL aged 4 is living with a James & Charlotte MUNNERY. Could this be the child who was baptised in 1836? Is she any relation of theirs, or could she be a child that they are fostering from the workhouse? It might be worthwhile to try and find Ellen Sarah BELVELL or BELVILLE on the 1851 and later census returns and see what happened to her. If you find her, then the whole idea is a non-starter; but If she disappears off the radar and cannot be accounted for by a death or burial between 1841 and 1857, then I would be tempted to take a look at Elizabeth BELVILLE and see if she can be fitted-in to the BELVILLE families living in Worthing in 1841 and see where that leads. At the very least, you will have eliminated another possibility and you might just get *very* lucky! Best wishes, Marion Woolgar Bognor Regis, West Sussex SFHG Member No: 3323

Sorry to intrude Alison, if one is not subscribed to any Australian lists it was easier to ask for advice on this one. I took the matter off list and Paul has ordered the Certified Death Cert. direct from NSWBDMs, a transcript was not an option under his friends circumstances. No further discussion... Thanks Jenny --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Perhaps a better forum for continuing this discussion now would be one of the Rootsweb New South Wales mailing lists? Alison :-) Sydney Australia

Ros, If you don't need it for legal purposes, use an authorised transcription agent listed on the NSW BDM site. Cost is around $18 compared with $31 from the Govt Dept. Peter