G'day Has anybody a copy of "Lancing Register" by Lancing College,Arundel.James KENNEDY.Esdaile 1913-44.I am looking to find reference to Edmund Wale ROBERTS bn 20th Oct 1854. Also.The Lancing College Magazine by Evelyn Waugh.Page1248.HenryTrower ROBERTS . Cheers Dennis Sth Australia

Hi Richard I would consider a roam around http://www.old-maps.co.uk It is not as good as it used to be since they "improved" it :-( however you may find it with perseverence Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) PS a long shot I know but are you an ADAMS from Bucks or just living there? I ask as I descend from a Thomas ADAMS c1800 of Upton cum Chalvey > According to the 1901 census my Gt Grandfather Arthur FREEMAN, was > Foreman at an Ice Factory in Brighton. He lived at 'Ice Works Cottage' > in Aldrington which I believe is between Hove and Portslade, I'm not > sure if this was one cottage, but I assume probably one of a number > owned by the Ice Works.

According to the 1901 census my Gt Grandfather Arthur FREEMAN, was Foreman at an Ice Factory in Brighton. He lived at 'Ice Works Cottage' in Aldrington which I believe is between Hove and Portslade, I'm not sure if this was one cottage, but I assume probably one of a number owned by the Ice Works. I would be fascinated to find out any more about the Ice Factories, and if anyone has any links with my FREEMAN, who prior to Hove lived in Portsmouth. My grandmother being Lillian Mary FREEMAN, who married a FUIDGE and lived in Ringmer. I do recall her telling me about seeing the ice being brought in from Norway I think to the harbour. Regards, Richard Adams, Bucks, England.

Hello all you wonderful Folks. Sussex Plus does it again. Heather Brooks by naming all the children of John THORNS & Hannah PARKER not only solved the question about John their son but filled up a hole under John & Hannah for all I had was their marriage with a notation "nothing else found--Research needed" So I get the data on John and Sarah LAKER plus a whole family for Thomas & Hannah That will keep my spirits flying high for quite a while Sue Freestone also questioned if the birth might have been Ashurst Kent but I had concluded that was not likely, though possible, but 1841 census did record a Yes for birth in same county. Cheers every one Your the best Phil White in NH watching the snow fall !!

Hi Phil, I have had some more information for sometime but have been very busy. John Thorns married Hannah Parker at Shipley May 5th 1808, both of the parish. Children all born/baptised at Ashurst. Hannah born 11/5/1809 baptised 28/5/1809 John born 13/8/1811 baptised 25/8/1811 Mary Ann baptised 17/10/1813 Abraham baptised 30/9/1815 Elizabeth baptised 16/7/1817 Caroline 12/11/1820 No burial there 1813-1986. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil White" <pwgrandmapa@comcast.net> To: "SUSSEX-PLUS" <SUSSEX-PLUS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 1:25 AM Subject: [SXP] THORNS Another puzzle > Hello to all in Sussex Plus, In my continued search for the tough ones > in this THORNS Tree I have a John Thorns bn in Ashurst according to the > Census but where he belongs in the Tree is a puzzle and I hope one of > you can find the answer, > >> So here is a John Thorns who states he was bn in Ashurst so probably >> connected to the West Grinstead group >> His birth record has not been found but from the Census and death >> records he was born between 1811 and 1818 >> but probably 1810-1811 based on the average of the Census and >> death data I have no Ashurst records so cannot check his >> birth there >> He marries a Sarah Laker at West Grinstead, 11 Oct 1838, she being >> from West Grinstead and her father was >> William Laker, John's father is listed as John Thorns but from >> the data I have there is no John Thorns & wife >> having children in West Grinstead at the period 1808-1812 >> which supports the Ashurst birth > > I have the Census records from 1841 through 1881, and find thar > Sarah died 1873 and John 1891 > Will anxiously await a response though I am very optimistic > when it comes to help from Sussex-Plus > Phil White in New Hampshire USA Roots in Sueesx and IOW > (getting coler here by the day, but only a little snow > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SUSSEX-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Roger, I think I have found him in 1871 - and his father in 1851 & 1861. Will send images off list - see what you think. cheers, Anne > From: rbull@doble.com> To: SUSSEX-PLUS-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 16:12:59 +0000> Subject: [SXP] James PARKER, Pulborough> > Hi All,> > > > I have just started on my wife's tree and so far have not got very far, so I> wonder if a message here might help. Her ggrandfather was a James PARKER> christened 24 march 1866 at Pulborough (he married a Susan BATCHELOR in> 1888). I THINK his father was another James PARKER, but there seem to be> quite a few people of that name in Sussex, and I don't know his mother's> name yet.> > > > If anyone has links to this family or has easy access to the 1871 census> information, I would be very grateful for a message.> > > > Thanks very much.> > > > Roger Bull> > > > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SUSSEX-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Feel like a local wherever you go. http://www.backofmyhand.com

Hello to all in Sussex Plus, In my continued search for the tough ones in this THORNS Tree I have a John Thorns bn in Ashurst according to the Census but where he belongs in the Tree is a puzzle and I hope one of you can find the answer, > So here is a John Thorns who states he was bn in Ashurst so probably > connected to the West Grinstead group > His birth record has not been found but from the Census and death > records he was born between 1811 and 1818 > but probably 1810-1811 based on the average of the Census and > death data I have no Ashurst records so cannot check his > birth there > He marries a Sarah Laker at West Grinstead, 11 Oct 1838, she being > from West Grinstead and her father was > William Laker, John's father is listed as John Thorns but from > the data I have there is no John Thorns & wife > having children in West Grinstead at the period 1808-1812 > which supports the Ashurst birth I have the Census records from 1841 through 1881, and find thar Sarah died 1873 and John 1891 Will anxiously await a response though I am very optimistic when it comes to help from Sussex-Plus Phil White in New Hampshire USA Roots in Sueesx and IOW (getting coler here by the day, but only a little snow

Hi All, I have just started on my wife's tree and so far have not got very far, so I wonder if a message here might help. Her ggrandfather was a James PARKER christened 24 march 1866 at Pulborough (he married a Susan BATCHELOR in 1888). I THINK his father was another James PARKER, but there seem to be quite a few people of that name in Sussex, and I don't know his mother's name yet. If anyone has links to this family or has easy access to the 1871 census information, I would be very grateful for a message. Thanks very much. Roger Bull

Dear List, Searching The Times Online, we found that Rosie's distant relative Ernest Aylmer EARL died at his maiden aunt Bertha EARL's home, 77a Montpelier Road, Brighton, on 15th August 1914 aged 24. We have picked up the FreeBMD reference to his death. Wondering if anyone can kindly provide a parish register entry for his burial (not clear which was the local church), and whether a Brighton newspaper has any details. Ernest came from an Oxford family but was born in North Queensland, Australia, and spent time in Great Yarmouth where Bertha's was a self-employed sick nurse around the turn of the century, and returned to England (date unknown) after going back to Australia in 1903. Ernest's parents were Arthur EARL and Mary Catherine CAMPBELL (whose father was Aylmer CAMPBELL). Any information on Ernest and Bertha (born Oxford 1856) would be most welcome. Regards, Rosie and Chris Plymouth UK Researching EARL, COOK(E) in Oxford, UK

Hi Pam I'd still go cautious - to me the Jury is still out. I'll go with the majority with reservations but it’s the Uppercase/Lowercase that still makes me pause - I'll still hang on to the general grammatical convention that suggests 1 Cap = 1 Word 2 Caps = 2 Words. Convention also says a Capital after a Full Stop so we write New York as N.Y. not Ny or even N.y. so I'd expect Discharged Dead as D.D. but I'm no expert so as I say I'll bow to the majority until something else comes along to show one way or the other. Call me stubborn but .... Cheers Ron -----Original Message----- From: PMR [mailto:cliveden@acenet.net.au] Sent: Sunday, 18 November 2007 12:23 PM To: Ron Philllips Subject: RE: [SXP] Meaning of Dd. Hello Ron Many thanks for your reply. 'Discharged Dead' seems to be the consensus of those who have it in their families. I've had a variety of suggestions as you can imagine! Was interested, too, in your reply to Marie. Cheers. Pam Beaudesert, Queensland, Australia -----Original Message----- From: Ron Philllips [mailto:ronphillips@netspace.net.au] Sent: Saturday, 17 November 2007 9:07 PM To: 'PMR' Subject: RE: [SXP] Meaning of Dd. A frequent Interpretation is "Died" or "Deceased". Don't know how that ties in with your research but I've occasionally seen it a such. That’s the problems with Acronyms and Abbreviations the are open to many different interpretations. I for one would not miss them if they disappear entirely - it would make life simpler!! Regards Ron Phillips Melbourne Australia -----Original Message----- From: sussex-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sussex-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of PMR Sent: Saturday, 17 November 2007 8:34 PM To: SSX-PLUS Mailing List Subject: [SXP] Meaning of Dd. Hello Listers Some of my rellies were in the Royal Navy. The enlistment details of one of them reads as follows: **George Robins aged 19y9m. 5'8". St Pancras Chichester. Dark brown hair; gey eyes, fresh complexionj. Horse dealer. Enlisted HQ Portsmouth. Dd 14 Aug 1850. Paid £20.** Can anyone tell me what Dd means please? I thought it could be died, but being paid £20 seems to go against this, unless it was paid to his family. The other thought was dismissed. Or maybe it is something else? Many thanks Pam Beaudesert, Queensland, Australia ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SUSSEX-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Pam I've entered this late but the 'official' (but that does not means it was always adhered to) abbreviations for a muster are: D = Discharged; DD = Discharged Dead; DS = Discharged to sick quarters; DUS = Discharged unserviceable; DQ = discharged but under query (pending one of the other categories); Run = deserted. Having said this, if it is on his enlistment (where did you get this?) and is only followed by a date, I'd be inclined to think it was just "Discharge Date" on that date. Is there any evidence that he was alive subsequently? It would be more normal, if it was Discharged Dead, to be additionally qualified by something like "at sea"; "slain in battle"; "fell from aloft"; "disease"; etc. For the truth, you will need to find the Muster List and/or Pay Book for the last ship on which he served for the real detail... but I guess you do not know any ship details. See PRO Handbook No. 22 - Naval Records for Genealogists by N A M Rodger; it is the best source for interpreting RN records. John LOVE, from a long line of seafarers.

Hi All, Have just checked my records, and found on one RN doc that I have the words discharged dead, so I would tend to think Dd meant that! Best wishes, Den

Sorry everyone - small glitch with Computer. Regards Ron Phillips Melbourne Australia

Hi Pam, Further to my earlier reply (not sent to list- sorry) in which I suggested the meaning was Discharged dead, you might like to contact another super and helpful list with expertise in this area. This is the mariners list. Usual method to subscribe. mailto:Mariners-request@rootsweb.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "PMR" <cliveden@acenet.net.au> To: "SSX-PLUS Mailing List" <SUSSEX-PLUS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 9:33 AM Subject: [SXP] Meaning of Dd. Hello Listers Some of my rellies were in the Royal Navy. The enlistment details of one of them reads as follows: **George Robins aged 19y9m. 5'8". St Pancras Chichester. Dark brown hair; gey eyes, fresh complexionj. Horse dealer. Enlisted HQ Portsmouth. Dd 14 Aug 1850. Paid £20.** Can anyone tell me what Dd means please? I thought it could be died, but being paid £20 seems to go against this, unless it was paid to his family. The other thought was dismissed. Or maybe it is something else? Many thanks Pam Beaudesert, Queensland, Australia

Hello list, Just to confuse the issue just a teeny bit more, but wouldn't a 19thC sailor be 'disembarked' rather than 'discharged'? Geoff

Could it be discharged? Jan, New Zealand Some of my rellies were in the Royal Navy. The enlistment details of one of them reads as follows: **George Robins aged 19y9m. 5'8". St Pancras Chichester. Dark brown hair; gey eyes, fresh complexionj. Horse dealer. Enlisted HQ Portsmouth. Dd 14 Aug 1850. Paid £20.** Can anyone tell me what Dd means please? I thought it could be died, but being paid £20 seems to go against this, unless it was paid to his family. The other thought was dismissed. Or maybe it is something else? Many thanks Pam Beaudesert, Queensland, Australia ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SUSSEX-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Pam, Can't offer proof of the meaning of Dd and you may already have this but have you seen George and brother? William on the 1841 census for St. Pancras, Chichester, Sussex? He seems to fit in with the age of your George. A William Edward Robins b. Chichester is with the Royal Marines, Alverstoke, Hanmpshire, rank Private, in the 1851 census, a carpenter, may be yours, Lynne.

My relatives were in the Australian Army and in their records DD means Date of Discharge/ Marie

Hi Pam, How about Discharge date or Date of Discharge.The $20 could have been his final pay? Just a thought Rob

Hello Listers Some of my rellies were in the Royal Navy. The enlistment details of one of them reads as follows: **George Robins aged 19y9m. 5'8". St Pancras Chichester. Dark brown hair; gey eyes, fresh complexionj. Horse dealer. Enlisted HQ Portsmouth. Dd 14 Aug 1850. Paid £20.** Can anyone tell me what Dd means please? I thought it could be died, but being paid £20 seems to go against this, unless it was paid to his family. The other thought was dismissed. Or maybe it is something else? Many thanks Pam Beaudesert, Queensland, Australia