On Sat, 2007-12-15 at 12:41 +0000, Margaret Usmar wrote: > I have a relative who was born in Horsham in 1839, and who died the > following year on 22 March 1840 also in Horsham. > > I have been unable to find the baptisms of little Thomas Walter ADAMTHWAITE, > or two of his siblings also born in Horsham. Does anyone have an idea > whether he would be interred in a churchyard or a cemetery? He is on the IGI: Event(s): Birth: 18 FEB 1839 Christening: 03 APR 1839 Horsham, Sussex, England Death: 22 MAR 1840 Burial: as is Ann Hannah Adamthwaite, so I'm not sure what the problem is... -- Regards Dave

I have a relative who was born in Horsham in 1839, and who died the following year on 22 March 1840 also in Horsham. I have been unable to find the baptisms of little Thomas Walter ADAMTHWAITE, or two of his siblings also born in Horsham. Does anyone have an idea whether he would be interred in a churchyard or a cemetery? The only clues I can give are that the family were not short of money, and that they came from a family which included an awful lot of vicars (which makes the lack of baptism records a bit odd, I thought). Thomas's parents did not come from the area, nor did they marry and die there. Any advice very gratefully received, though at present I am unable to visit any record offices. Thank you in advance. Margaret

My research into the FUDGE line has got back to a ROBERT FUDGE c.1750 in St. Werburgh's Hoo Kent. Is anyone else researching this name, besides my regular contacts? Harvey Bates, Afelaide, Sth. Australia

Dear Listers Could SKS please do a look up in the 1871 Census for a Miriam Millham, b abt 1844 in Beckley, Sussex. I would like her husband's name please. She is a widow in 1881 and she had remarried her employer before 1901. She should have a son William with her. He should only be about 1 or less. Thank you. Regards Judy Berntsen New Zealand

Found as millam already widowed, I would bet her husbands name was William. Image sent off list. Meegan in OZ -----Original Message----- From: sussex-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sussex-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Jolly Sent: Thursday, 13 December 2007 9:00 PM To: SUSSEX-PLUS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SXP] FW: Look up 1871 Census Is Millham her married name or maiden name in 1871? And where is she likely to be in 1871? -----Original Message----- From: sussex-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sussex-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John & Judy Sent: 13 December 2007 09:23 To: List Sussex Subject: [SXP] Look up 1871 Census Dear Listers Could SKS please do a look up in the 1871 Census for a Miriam Millham, b abt 1844 in Beckley, Sussex. I would like her husband's name please. She is a widow in 1881 and she had remarried her employer before 1901. She should have a son William with her. He should only be about 1 or less. Thank you. Regards Judy Berntsen New Zealand ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SUSSEX-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.1/1182 - Release Date: 12/12/2007 11:29 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.1/1182 - Release Date: 12/12/2007 11:29 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.1/1182 - Release Date: 12/12/2007 11:29 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SUSSEX-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.1/1182 - Release Date: 12/12/2007 11:29 AM

Hi Betty, Assuming that these two places are close geographically I think you may be looking for Wartling and Herstmonceux. If you use a search engine for either of these names you should come up with plenty of hits. These may be of particular interest http://www.cowbeech.force9.co.uk/HWRG.htm or http://www.family-history.org.uk/ There is also GenUKI http://homepages.gold.ac.uk/genuki/SSX/ You haven't mentioned any dates but if you are after census info etc there is always Ancestry or IGI. hth, Anne > From: Elizwil827@aol.com> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:19:39 -0500> To: sussex-plus@rootsweb.com> Subject: [SXP] Wartling and Hautmonceux> > I am interested in researching these two places for information on my > ancestors James Dawe (Wartling) and his wife Sarah (Hautmonceux). Could someone let > me know where I can look for information either on line or off. I am located > in the United States.> > Thank you for your input,> > Betty Wilson> > > > **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes > (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004)> > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SUSSEX-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Free games, great prizes - get gaming at Gamesbox. http://www.searchgamesbox.com

Hi Judy, According to FreeBMD a George MILLAM and a Miriam CATT both married in the same Quarter ( 4th Qtr.1867) in the Battle Registration District. The reference for both is Vol.2b Page 94. At first I could not find a marriage for a MILLHAM or MILHAM to a Miriam, so I looked for any Miriam's born in the Beckley Registration District (which is Rye) between 1843 and 1845. I found Miriam CATT born 1st Qtr.1844 Rye District, and also a Miriam LEAVER born 3rd Qtr.1844. I then searched for possible marriages for them both...........and hit the jackpot. I had not previously tried to find a MILLAM, so it just goes to show that every possible spelling must be applied. Of course, this does not guarantee they married each other, but I should think it's a very strong possibility. A George MILHAM died in Rye District in 1st Qtr.1871 (bet.Jan & March) aged 25. Which of course further supports the possibility, and explains why he wasn't on the 1871 census. Happy hunting regards, Sandra ----- Original Message ----- From: "John & Judy" <johnbb@clear.net.nz> To: "List Sussex" <SUSSEX-PLUS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 9:22 AM Subject: [SXP] Look up 1871 Census > Dear Listers > > Could SKS please do a look up in the 1871 Census for a Miriam Millham, b > abt 1844 in Beckley, Sussex. I would like her husband's name please. She > is a widow in 1881 and she had remarried her employer before 1901. She > should have a son William with her. He should only be about 1 or less. > > Thank you. > > Regards > > Judy Berntsen > New Zealand > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SUSSEX-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.1/1182 - Release Date: > 12/12/2007 11:29 > >

Hi Betty! Many generations of my family are from Wartling and Herstmonceux, my father Lewis Frederick MAYS having been born in the latter in 1925. What is the time period you are interested in? What sort of information are you interested in as I have lots I can share. Cheers, Joanne Joanne Mays Becker Sleepy Hollow, New York In a message dated 12/13/2007 2:21:21 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, Elizwil827@aol.com writes: I am interested in researching these two places for information on my ancestors James Dawe (Wartling) and his wife Sarah (Hautmonceux). Could someone let me know where I can look for information either on line or off. I am located in the United States. Thank you for your input, Betty Wilson **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004)

I am interested in researching these two places for information on my ancestors James Dawe (Wartling) and his wife Sarah (Hautmonceux). Could someone let me know where I can look for information either on line or off. I am located in the United States. Thank you for your input, Betty Wilson **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004)

Is Millham her married name or maiden name in 1871? And where is she likely to be in 1871? -----Original Message----- From: sussex-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sussex-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John & Judy Sent: 13 December 2007 09:23 To: List Sussex Subject: [SXP] Look up 1871 Census Dear Listers Could SKS please do a look up in the 1871 Census for a Miriam Millham, b abt 1844 in Beckley, Sussex. I would like her husband's name please. She is a widow in 1881 and she had remarried her employer before 1901. She should have a son William with her. He should only be about 1 or less. Thank you. Regards Judy Berntsen New Zealand ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SUSSEX-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.1/1182 - Release Date: 12/12/2007 11:29 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.1/1182 - Release Date: 12/12/2007 11:29 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.1/1182 - Release Date: 12/12/2007 11:29

Thanks Heather, I was wondering why Emsworth could not be found in the online 1911 directory for Sussex, then I realised it was close to Hampshire border, and there was the village in the corresponding Hampshire one. Fortunately I found later the deaths of Malcolm in Thanet (Kent) and John in Lewisham (London) in the 1883-2005 index, so perhaps one of the informants a grandson of Henry and Lilly may eventually fill in the gaps. cheers Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Heather Brooks" <heather.brooks@virgin.net> To: "bob campbell" <rcampbell3@optusnet.com.au>; <SUSSEX-PLUS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 8:19 AM Subject: Re: [SXP] Henry STACY WW1 veteran in Westbourne Hi, the parish registers of Westbourne have been transcribed and are on the open shelves at West Sussex Record Office, unfortunately the record office is closed for stocktaking until the 17th of December. Emsworth is in Hampshire, on the border with West Sussex so you would have to find out from Hampshire Record Office. Regards Heather ----- Original Message ----- From: "bob campbell" <rcampbell3@optusnet.com.au> To: <SUSSEX-PLUS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 6:27 PM Subject: [SXP] Henry STACY WW1 veteran in Westbourne > Just found on Ancestry's WW1 pension records, my Coldstream Guard's > veteran > previously born and bred in, and last seen in Norwich Norfolk, but now > resident in Sussex. > Henry STACY's record shows he was a valet/servant at Emsworth Lodge, > Stanstead Park, Emsworth, West Sussex before and his family resident there > at least during WW1. > during this time he had two children by his wife Lilly Ann (nee' > SHEARSMITH) > Malcolm Richard STACY in 1915 (Norwich) > and John Albert STACY in 1918. (Westbourne) > > Henry re-enlisted at Brighton in 1916 and stated on his attestation he was > previously with the Sussex Yeomanry Reserve Regiment. > > Anyone on list have these STACY'S in their tree? > > Has anyone on list have ancestor's also who were also a member of the > Sussex Yeomanry Reserve Regiment.? > > Have any registers been transcribed for Westbourne or Emsworth which may > have this family listed? > > cheers > Bob > in Brisbane > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SUSSEX-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Judy, could this be who you are looking for. Marriage of Miriam Catt to George Millam Dec qtr 1867 district Battle vol 2b pg 94. you can find it on Free BMD. Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "meegan hodges" <meegs52@optusnet.com.au> To: <asjolly@btinternet.com>; <SUSSEX-PLUS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 3:02 AM Subject: Re: [SXP] FW: Look up 1871 Census > Found as millam already widowed, I would bet her husbands name was > William. > Image sent off list. > > Meegan in OZ > > -----Original Message----- > From: sussex-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:sussex-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Jolly > Sent: Thursday, 13 December 2007 9:00 PM > To: SUSSEX-PLUS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [SXP] FW: Look up 1871 Census > > > > > Is Millham her married name or maiden name in 1871? And where is she > likely > to be in 1871? > > -----Original Message----- > From: sussex-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:sussex-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John & Judy > Sent: 13 December 2007 09:23 > To: List Sussex > Subject: [SXP] Look up 1871 Census > > > Dear Listers > > Could SKS please do a look up in the 1871 Census for a Miriam Millham, b > abt > 1844 in Beckley, Sussex. I would like her husband's name please. She is > a > widow in 1881 and she had remarried her employer before 1901. She should > have a son William with her. He should only be about 1 or less. > > Thank you. > > Regards > > Judy Berntsen > New Zealand > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SUSSEX-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.1/1182 - Release Date: > 12/12/2007 > 11:29 > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.1/1182 - Release Date: > 12/12/2007 > 11:29 > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.1/1182 - Release Date: > 12/12/2007 > 11:29 > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SUSSEX-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.1/1182 - Release Date: > 12/12/2007 > 11:29 AM > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SUSSEX-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Just found on Ancestry's WW1 pension records, my Coldstream Guard's veteran previously born and bred in, and last seen in Norwich Norfolk, but now resident in Sussex. Henry STACY's record shows he was a valet/servant at Emsworth Lodge, Stanstead Park, Emsworth, West Sussex before and his family resident there at least during WW1. during this time he had two children by his wife Lilly Ann (nee' SHEARSMITH) Malcolm Richard STACY in 1915 (Norwich) and John Albert STACY in 1918. (Westbourne) Henry re-enlisted at Brighton in 1916 and stated on his attestation he was previously with the Sussex Yeomanry Reserve Regiment. Anyone on list have these STACY'S in their tree? Has anyone on list have ancestor's also who were also a member of the Sussex Yeomanry Reserve Regiment.? Have any registers been transcribed for Westbourne or Emsworth which may have this family listed? cheers Bob in Brisbane

Hi, the parish registers of Westbourne have been transcribed and are on the open shelves at West Sussex Record Office, unfortunately the record office is closed for stocktaking until the 17th of December. Emsworth is in Hampshire, on the border with West Sussex so you would have to find out from Hampshire Record Office. Regards Heather ----- Original Message ----- From: "bob campbell" <rcampbell3@optusnet.com.au> To: <SUSSEX-PLUS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 6:27 PM Subject: [SXP] Henry STACY WW1 veteran in Westbourne > Just found on Ancestry's WW1 pension records, my Coldstream Guard's > veteran > previously born and bred in, and last seen in Norwich Norfolk, but now > resident in Sussex. > Henry STACY's record shows he was a valet/servant at Emsworth Lodge, > Stanstead Park, Emsworth, West Sussex before and his family resident there > at least during WW1. > during this time he had two children by his wife Lilly Ann (nee' > SHEARSMITH) > Malcolm Richard STACY in 1915 (Norwich) > and John Albert STACY in 1918. (Westbourne) > > Henry re-enlisted at Brighton in 1916 and stated on his attestation he was > previously with the Sussex Yeomanry Reserve Regiment. > > Anyone on list have these STACY'S in their tree? > > Has anyone on list have ancestor's also who were also a member of the > Sussex Yeomanry Reserve Regiment.? > > Have any registers been transcribed for Westbourne or Emsworth which may > have this family listed? > > cheers > Bob > in Brisbane > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SUSSEX-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have recently obtained a baptism record for my gt gt grandfather Date of Baptism(d/m/y) 12/04/1818 Name John Ebenezer ADAMS son or dau. s Date born 22/01/1818 Father's Name John ADAMS Mother's Name Ann ADAMS Occupation - Abode Framlingfield Parish Jireh Jireh Notes - The Abode I believe to be Framfield, but I found the Jireh reference interesting. John E.'s father (John ADAMS) is buried at the old Dicker Chapel, now called Golden Cross Chapel, and therefore I believe there to be a strong independent streak through the family. Particularly as John's other children included a Jabez, and Isaac, and a Caleb. Indeed Isaac's children included a Calvin and a Caleb Luther. It would appear that my ADAMS might have been Calvinists, as there seems to be a strong link with Jireh Chapels and Calvinism. I checked around and the nearest Jireh Chapel to Framfield appears to be one in Lewes. I have for many years tried to find the burial place or record for John Ebenezer (who died 27/01/1867), and hoped that the Jireh clue might help. Any advice gladly welcomed. Regards, Richard.

Martin, You don't say quite what you need, so hard for me to be specific. In that case I suggest you get his place of birth 1851 and try and locate him in the 1841. You dont say that you found him or not in the 1841. He may be with parents or relatives. Back track and collect the family which sometimes helps to tie things together. Sisters and brothers, parents may be living with them in their dotage and you may gain more info. Also if place of birth tallies throughout - get the Parish registers out for the area in Surrey you require. . Have you done searches of the IGI.....? Parent searches? There are a lot of avenues to gain more information. www.historicaldirectories.org - directories online. I usually go to the Parish records once I have established the family by other various means census/igi. If you are just posting your names in the hope of a contact. I suggest you head your query as such. Posting to the eng-Surrey list might be of value. Also websites such as www.rootschat.com, genesreunited etc may glean information and contacts. Cheers Pam from Adelaide Australia > Hi, > Yes thanks all the work is pre census now thanks > Martin > > -----Original Message----- > From: pamhillier [mailto:pamhillier@iprimus.com.au] > Sent: 11 December 2007 00:49 > To: martin sear > Subject: Re: [SXP] James Baldwin > > Martin > Have you got all the other census data? > Cheers Pam from Adelaide Australia > >> Hi, >> >> I am trying to find information about James Baldwin, he was born abt 1822 >> in >> Surrey. >> >> I have him in the 1851 census in Crowhurst as Jane Baldwin (spelling >> Mistake). >> >> Any help much appreciated >> >> Regards >> >> Martin >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SUSSEX-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.17/1176 - Release Date: >> 6/12/2007 11:15 PM >> >> > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.0/1180 - Release Date: > 10/12/2007 2:51 PM > >

I have made some recent discoveries which have widened my searches, happy to share information with listers who are researching the following surnames: ADAMS (John, John Ebenezer, Ebenezer), WHATFORD/WATFORD (Weston, Warden, Margaret, Mary (nee HERBERT), NEWNHAM (Frances/Fanny), HUGGETT (George Joseph, George, William), HOBDEN (Eliza/Elizabeth), PACKHAM (Anne, William, Millie), EVANS (Mary Ann, David, John). I also have DUMBRILLs, COVELLs, WINCHESTERs, CURDs, and BRIANTs. Thank You, Richard Adams.

On Fri, 7 Dec 2007 23:31:07 -0000 "Sandra Shelley" <sand.shell@btinternet.com> wrote: Hello Sandra, > If the parents weren't married to each other, the father's name could > only be added to the birth certificate, at registration, if he was > present. I believe this still applies today. Many such father's did You're right, it does still apply. > I'm not 100% sure, but I believe the father's name could only be > added in his absence, if he was married to the mother of the child. Again, you're correct. In the case of a married couple, the husband is automatically assumed to be the father. Similarly, this applies today. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent" It couldn't adapt so it couldn't survive The Great British Mistake - The Adverts

My understanding is that it was father unknown - or he wouldn't own up to it! David Blake --- "R.M.Adams" <R.M.Adams@open.ac.uk> wrote: > I have recently received a couple of birth > certificates with the > father's name (and thus occupation) absent. > > > > Does this indicate to me, that with older > certificates this was common > practice (i.e. it was not that important or > required), or that the > father is indeed unknown. > > > > Any advice welcomed. > > > > Thank You, > > > > Richard. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to SUSSEX-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it now. http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/

I have recently received a couple of birth certificates with the father's name (and thus occupation) absent. Does this indicate to me, that with older certificates this was common practice (i.e. it was not that important or required), or that the father is indeed unknown. Any advice welcomed. Thank You, Richard.