On Tue, 2008-01-15 at 08:50 +1100, John Billing wrote: > can anyone please tell me the approximate road distance from Rusper to Cowfold About 10 miles/16km. Longer, if you want to avoid minor roads. > , would this have been much differnet in the mid 1800's? I don't think England has moved! :0) According to here: http://www.theaa.com/travelwatch/inc/planner_main_redirect.jsp it would be 14.8miles/23.8km, but your ancestors wouldn't take the bypass so 10 is more likely. -- Regards Dave

Hello list, Perhaps the children would rather not have their names published on the web. After all they may very probably still be alive. Geoff

Norma Have you googled 'Guestling poisonings'? There's certainly one hit. Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norma Burgess" <normaburgess2@bigpond.com> To: <SUSSEX-PLUS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 8:51 PM Subject: [SXP] GEERING Family Correction > Sorry I made a typo. Date should have been 1849 not 1949 for the GUESTLING > POISIONINGS > Norma in Australia > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SUSSEX-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

----- Original Message ----- From: "Norma Burgess" <normaburgess2@bigpond.com> To: <SUSSEX-PLUS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 8:29 PM Subject: [SXP] GEERING family I think that the year of execution was 1849; not 1949. Robin > Wanting info on the GUESTLING POISONINGS. Mary Ann GEERING was hung in > 1949 > for the murder of her husband Richard GEERING and two sons. Would like to > find out the names of the other children. They had 8. > > Norma in Australia > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SUSSEX-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > __________ NOD32 2790 (20080114) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > >

Hello! This is fantastic!!!! May I ask the source please?!! Thanks very much for sending this to the list!! Cheers, Joanne Joanne Mays Becker Sleepy Hollow, New York In a message dated 1/14/2008 6:05:25 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jane@claras.eclipse.co.uk writes: I thought maybe everyone responding to this thread might be interested in a second hand account written at the time of the trial and execution: ³There was a horrible case of murder Š in Chiddingly Parish. A middle-aged woman set her affections on a young carter who lodged with them, a mere lad, and poisoned her husband by putting arsenic in his Sunday pie. Within a month the carter requested his banns of marriage with the widow to be published. Mr. Vidal refused to do it. Suspicion being aroused; the body was taken up and examined, when enough arsenic was found to kill half-a-dozen men. The woman and young man were both committed to Lewes Gaol and tried for wilful murder. It was soon evident that the carter &shy; a heavy, loutish young fellow &shy; knew nothing of the matter, and, in fact had not been specially anxious to marry the woman at all. He was acquitted and the woman sentenced to death. Mr. Vidal attended her to the last; she confessed her guilt, but seemed otherwise a hopeless case. She was publicly hanged at Lewes, under very revolting circumstances. Her weight being too little to dislocate her neck when the drop fell, the hangman had to grasp her by the waist and swing his own weight with hers until she ceased to struggle. Poor Mr. Vidal was quite ill after this, and never could read the Commandments again without emotion. There was always a deep hush in the church while his low, trembling voice repeated ³Thou - shalt &shy; do &shy; no- mur-der,.² **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489

oops, sorry I neglected to copy this to the list! Joanne Joanne Mays Becker Sleepy Hollow, New York In a message dated 1/14/2008 5:15:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, rsforf@tpg.com.au writes: Ok, I'll bite.What happened involving this pie?. Do tell.Sounds interesting. Regards Rob Australia Hi Rob! LOL, bite huh? Sarah Ann nee PIPER FRENCH (b 1825 Hellingly, dau Reuben PIPER and Sarah nee HOAD - April 1852 Lewes) poisoned her husband William's ( 1817 Chiddingly son of William, - Jan 1852 Chiddingly) Onion Pie with arsenic. They had been married for seven years and had one son James (b 1844 Hellingly). She'd "fallen in love" with James HICKMAN (b 1831 Chiddingly-1890) who was courting her sister Jane. William's brother John FRENCH was suspicious and put pressure on the Constable who had the body exhumed. Sarah was tried at Lewes, convicted of murder, and hanged three months after the death of her husband. She'd been known to have attended the trial of Mary Ann GEERING (Guestling Poisonings fame) and apparently got the idea from her! I believe she was the last woman hanged in Sussex. Would you like the recipe LOL? HTHs, Joanne **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489

Kathy Baker Mississauga, Ontario, Canada (kebaker@pathcom.com) Hello everyone, I tried to answer everyone back who replied to my email about my trip to London but in case I forgot someone this is a huge thank you to everyone for all their assistance. I appreciate all the time you have taken to help me plan my trip. Take care, Kathy Baker Mississauga Ontario, Canada kebaker@pathcom.com

Thank you to all of you who took the time to respond to my request. I now have the answers I was looking for. You are really a wonderful bunch of people on this List and nothing is ever too much trouble for anyone it seems. I look forward to sending more messages from time to time. Kind regards Judy

Thanks Leslea! The article was in the Sussex Family Historian less than six months ago. Unfortunately, I am unable to lay my hands on it at the moment to cite the exact Volume and date, It was also the subject of Chapter 7 in "Sussex Murders". Unfortunately my source for this did not state the name of the Author but I believe it was David BRIFFETT (?). I have meant to order a copy and shall give it a go now. Incidentally, when my husband and I celebrated our 20th Wedding anniversary last year with a Party, I served Onion Pie (minus the arsenic of course!) along with an explanation and small bottles of "antidote" (sugar water). It made for a fun and interesting Party! Cheers and thanks! Joanne Joanne Mays Becker Sleepy Hollow, New York In a message dated 1/14/2008 4:32:50 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, g.linnett@bigpond.com writes: I think there is a write up in one of the family history magazines within the last few months. It was a UK magazine. Leslea Overcast Clifton Queensland No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.2/1223 - Release Date: 13/01/2008 8:23 PM **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489

Oops, I neglected to cite what I believe to be the DC of Mary Ann GEERING in my previous email: SeptQ 1849 GEERING Mary Ann Lewes&c 7 475 Justice was swift in those days! HTHs, Joanne Joanne Mays Becker Sleepy Hollow, New York In a message dated 1/14/2008 4:11:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, JMBecker@aol.com writes: Hi Norma! I believe you mean 1848? If memory serves, her trial was attended by Sarah Ann nee PIPER FRENCH who committed the Onion Pie Murder of Chiddingly (Oops, men be careful when your wife serves you onion pie using this recipe!) in Januray 1852. Sarah Ann poisoned her husband William FRENCH with arsenic and was -I believe- the last woman hanged in Sussex. The Guestling poisonings (?Onion Pie too or just arsenic?) were heavily covered by the newspapers which would be a good source once you have an exact date. Assuming Richard GEERING is correct, the following should be his death: Death SeptQ 1848 Geering Richard Hastings7276 I also found in the next quarter: Death DecQ 1848 GEERING George Hastings 7 315 Death DecQ 1848 GEERING Philadelphia Hastings 7 313 The family was in Guestling in the 1841 Census (ages may have been rounded) and the children were Philly (20), William (20), George (14), Benjamin (10), Edwin (7), Mary (5), Andrew (1), James (1 month), all born in Sussex. I will send you the image off-list. Hope this helps! Joanne Joanne Mays Becker Sleepy Hollow, New York In a message dated 1/14/2008 3:31:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, normaburgess2@bigpond.com writes: Wanting info on the GUESTLING POISONINGS. Mary Ann GEERING was hung in 1949 for the murder of her husband Richard GEERING and two sons. Would like to find out the names of the other children. They had 8. Norma in Australia **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489

Hi Norma! I believe you mean 1848? If memory serves, her trial was attended by Sarah Ann nee PIPER FRENCH who committed the Onion Pie Murder of Chiddingly (Oops, men be careful when your wife serves you onion pie using this recipe!) in Januray 1852. Sarah Ann poisoned her husband William FRENCH with arsenic and was -I believe- the last woman hanged in Sussex. The Guestling poisonings (?Onion Pie too or just arsenic?) were heavily covered by the newspapers which would be a good source once you have an exact date. Assuming Richard GEERING is correct, the following should be his death: Death SeptQ 1848 Geering Richard Hastings7276 I also found in the next quarter: Death DecQ 1848 GEERING George Hastings 7 315 Death DecQ 1848 GEERING Philadelphia Hastings 7 313 The family was in Guestling in the 1841 Census (ages may have been rounded) and the children were Philly (20), William (20), George (14), Benjamin (10), Edwin (7), Mary (5), Andrew (1), James (1 month), all born in Sussex. I will send you the image off-list. Hope this helps! Joanne Joanne Mays Becker Sleepy Hollow, New York In a message dated 1/14/2008 3:31:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, normaburgess2@bigpond.com writes: Wanting info on the GUESTLING POISONINGS. Mary Ann GEERING was hung in 1949 for the murder of her husband Richard GEERING and two sons. Would like to find out the names of the other children. They had 8. Norma in Australia **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489

Hi Does anyone know anything about francis west and east wittering james

Dear Listers Would some kind person do a look up for me in the 1851 Census. I after a Jane Barnes b 1801 Mountfield, Sussex. Her husband is John and I have no information on him. Would appreciate whatever information anyone can supply. Jane died in 1880 so not on 1881 Census. Any other Census informaiton would also be appreciated if that is not too much to ask. Kind regards Judy Berntsen New Zealand

Hello Listers! I am helping a cousin to research her family of TRILLs from Hellingly. Stephen TRILL married Elizabeth BURTON (b 1806 Hellingly one of the nine children of Edward and Mary nee REED BURTON) at Hellingly 12 December 1825. They had possibly 9 children before Stephen's death by drowning at North Street, Hellingly, in August 1837, aged 34. "In the family way" and with eight children, Elizabeth entered Hellingly Workhouse in July 1839. Shortly thereafter, she gave birth to a girl, Jemima, and discharged herself from the Workhouse. Jemima died on the 29th of September. At the taking of the Census in 1841, the following children were still in the Workhouse, although daughter Eliza (15) and son Obediah (7) were with Elizabeth in Seaford where she was working as a Housekeeper: George (11), Frances (10), Jesse (8), Naomi (7), and Peter (4). A section of the Admission and Discharge Register is missing (March 1840-March 1843) so it is not possible to ascertain when the rest of the children left the Workhouse. I was unable to find her son Trayton (b abt 1827) in the 1841 Census but he was back in the Workhouse by the taking of the 1851 and it appears he married Frances BIGNELL in MarchQ 1864 and lived in Hailsham with their children. I thought it might be of interest to see what can be discovered in the Workhouse records. We are trying to find descendants and trying to find Stephen TRILL's baptism which was not found at Hellingly. I have accumulated lots of information on TRILLs -mainly descendants of John and Hannah nee JENNER (Church of England)- which I would be happy to share. However, I have been unable to find baptisms for Stephen (1803), Trayton (1805 and would seem to be related), and Edmund (1810 and named sons Trayton and Stephen). Very likely they were Nonconformists. Although I found a baptism on the IGI for George TRILL (son of Stephen and Elizabeth) on 10 September 1828 at Zoar Street Baptist Chapel at Battle, the Register was not at ESRO. Does anyone know anything about the ancestry of these families? Any descendants? Incidentally, the story has a happier ending. Elizabeth remarried to Walter CAREY (toll gate keeper of Hailsham) in 1850 and she died at Cobden Place in Hailsham in 1885. Jesse and Obed (from whom my cousin descends) emigrated to New York in 1863 and marriage certificates are on order for the rest. Thanks for reading this and any help you're able to give! Cheers, Joanne Joanne Mays Becker Sleepy Hollow, New York **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489

Hello listers I'm trying to find any Budds that may have born/baptised from 1800 to 1823, children of Thomas & Ann BUDD. I have found reference to Ruth BUDD, daughter of Thomas & Ann " Overseers of the Poor: settlement - ref. PAR415/32 Removal Orders to the parish FILE - Removal order to Lewes St Thomas at Cliffe - ref. PAR415/32/3/46 - date: 16 May 1831 [from Scope and Content] Ruth Budd (17), daughter of Thomas and Ann Budd; from Burwash" She may be the sister of my elusive 3rd grt-grand father & as there is no baptism record for either in Burwash Thanks Barbara in sunny New Zealand

----- Original Message ----- From: "John & Judy" <johnbb@clear.net.nz> To: "List Sussex" <SUSSEX-PLUS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 7:07 AM Subject: [SXP] look up census 1851 census Will answer direct with 1851 and 1861 census. Robin > Dear Listers > > Would some kind person do a look up for me in the 1851 Census. I after a > Jane Barnes b 1801 Mountfield, Sussex. Her husband is John and I have no > information on him. Would appreciate whatever information anyone can > supply. Jane died in 1880 so not on 1881 Census. Any other Census > informaiton would also be appreciated if that is not too much to ask. > > Kind regards > > Judy Berntsen > New Zealand > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SUSSEX-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > __________ NOD32 2787 (20080112) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > >

My thanks to all those who replied to my BROOKER query. Your responses were very much appreciated. Cheers .... Bryn

Walter, Gwendoline Falla aged 6 was in a convent in Derbyshire as a scholar. That seems very strange unless her family of her 1st husbands family were in the area. But it must be her I beleive Am sending this also Cheers Pam from Adelaide Australia > Hi, > > I have a family from the Lambeth, Sussex, Surrey area. I have never been > able > to find them on any census. I have Henrietta (nee Morgan) Lucas born on > the > IOW 11 Mar 1841 and died 01 Jan 1916 in London. On her death certificate > it > lists her husband as William Lucas. They have daughter Dorothy Kate Lucas. > > Dorothy was married 3 times- George Frederick Falla, James Marke Wood, and > Robert Gordon Shewan. The last name she went by was Dorothy Shewan. Its > been > a very hard family to tract down. I found her once on the 1901 census > listed as Dorothy > Wood, age 25. I have been able to pinpoint where she was born or a exact > birth year. > I looked on the freebmd to try to order her birth certificate, but she's > not listed. > > I am at a brickwall as to what to do now. Can anyone give me some help?? > > thanks > > Walter Morgan > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SUSSEX-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1214 - Release Date: > 8/01/2008 1:38 PM > >

Hi Walter I think I have found henrietta 1851 & 1871 and am sending possibles offline. However there is also a Henrietta married to a james Lucas on the 1871 census. I shall send that one too, just in case. I have found Dorothy on the 1901 census with James M Wood.......but where are her children??? Ah ok one died, and I have found Gwendoline Will send all and sundry and perhaps you can work through a few things. Cheers Pam from Adelaide Australia > Hi, > > I have a family from the Lambeth, Sussex, Surrey area. I have never been > able > to find them on any census. I have Henrietta (nee Morgan) Lucas born on > the > IOW 11 Mar 1841 and died 01 Jan 1916 in London. On her death certificate > it > lists her husband as William Lucas. They have daughter Dorothy Kate Lucas. > > Dorothy was married 3 times- George Frederick Falla, James Marke Wood, and > Robert Gordon Shewan. The last name she went by was Dorothy Shewan. Its > been > a very hard family to tract down. I found her once on the 1901 census > listed as Dorothy > Wood, age 25. I have been able to pinpoint where she was born or a exact > birth year. > I looked on the freebmd to try to order her birth certificate, but she's > not listed. > > I am at a brickwall as to what to do now. Can anyone give me some help?? > > thanks > > Walter Morgan > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SUSSEX-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1214 - Release Date: > 8/01/2008 1:38 PM > >

Hello List. I have received a death certificate for Annie Maria Smith died in 1948 in Sackville Road Hailsham. The informant is O Lavender, (possibly Owen) 12 Lower Dickers, Hailsham. Im not entirely sure that is the street address as the writing is difficult to decipher. Does anyone have Lavenders around Hailsham, circa 1870 to the present in their family tree please? Regards Leslea LINNETT (VERRALL) Queensland Australia No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.1/1220 - Release Date: 11/01/2008 6:09 PM