Hello list, I believe it was simply a polite way of addressing a letter. I don't think there were undertones of aristocracy or wealth, those people would probably have 'proper' titles. It was used quite a lot a number of years ago, but seems to have died out now. Regards Geoff

Perhaps you could find out what the person's occupation is given as in the census. I would take "esquire" as an occupation to mean someone who didn't work but received an income from investments or land. I think in a census their occupation would have been shown as "independent means" Ron Andrew Billinghurst wrote: > On 27 Jan 2008 at 23:39, Walter Morgan wrote: > > >> I googled the term "Esquire" that was on a Marriage Certificate from 1906. >> I came up with a term denoting social status. Does this mean of noble >> birth or just meaning wealthy and land owner? >> >> > > If it is 20thC, it is starting to be about pretensions, so it may > just be a claim. > > It would declare at least that they are not directly of a title, > though it may indicate that they have some level of title in a few > past generations. > > Wikipedia covers the topic reasonably well (too long to replicate) > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esquire > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squire > > It would also be a bit of an indicator that you should check for a > probate for themselves and parents. Whether they are pretensions or > not, they probably a good indicator of a will having been written, > and a later probate if there was sufficient value. > > Regards, Andrew > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SUSSEX-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Perry, There is a Tanyard Farm in Horley at TQ293 441. It is circa 1500 with modifications in 1600 and 19th. century. This could be the place they are referring to but I don't know why they say 'THE' Tanyard. Regards, Ray.

Hello from New Zealand Can anyon help here please?? Who else was living in thesame household?? 1851 Census Steyning, Shoreham Peter AKEHURST - 48yrs - Steyning, Shoreham Harriet AKEHURST - 39yrs - Steyning, Shoreham Henry AKEHURST - 13yrs - Steyning, Shoreham George AKEHURST - 9yrs - Steyning, Shoreham Kind regards from Maree S. Gordon - New Zealand

When I and my husband were married in 1950 I often received mail for him with Esquire written after his surname. He was a farm worker. This went on till recent years and now it is just plain MR. April ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Find out how you can get spam free email. http://www.bluebottle.com/tag/3

Hi Pat, While Sussex Plus listers are extremely knowledgable you may get more information from the Kent list where Herne Bay is located, Lynne. --- Moi Moi <wtr806@yahoo.com> wrote: > I am looking for any information on my grandmother > Lily Lane (1880 Herne Bay - 1938 London) I believe > she > was daughter of George Lane (1843 Herne Bay - ) who > married Elzabeth Preistly. ... and there my > knowledge > ends. There were eleven other children in the > family > beside Lily. > > Pat >

Hi List. Would like to hear from anyone searching Brown in Blackfriars Newington. David Brown born abt 1850 married Laura Tanner 1885. David Brown born Abt 1876 married Sophia Lane 1897 in Southwark. She is the daughter of Francis Julian Lane & Elizabeth ?. The Lane family come from Devon. Regards Judy Beggs Australia

I googled the term "Esquire" that was on a Marriage Certificate from 1906. I came up with a term denoting social status. Does this mean of noble birth or just meaning wealthy and land owner? Take care, Walter

Have sent you the 1851 image off-list. but the complete family in 1851, actually living in Hove, nr Brighton, is Ann Akehurst 2 George Akehurst 9 Harriett Akehurst 39 Henry Akehurst 13 Peter Akehurst 48 Richard Akehurst 11 Susan Akehurst 17 Thomas Akehurst 6 Best wishes Barbara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maree Gordon" <tappets@clear.net.nz> To: <sussex-plus@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 8:57 PM Subject: [SXP] 1851 Census Steyning, Shoreham - AKEHURST > Who else was living in thesame household?? >

Hello to all, I'm new to the list and wonder if anyone can tell me how I might find further information. We have just found that my gg uncle died at Brighton General hospital in 1849. It looks as though the address on the military papers states Thornton Heath as his home address. If he died at Brighton , where would his grave likely be? Are Brighton and Thornton Heath reasonably close? The other query is would there likely be any newspapers on line for that period in the area so as to source death notices? Apologies, if there are too many questions, we are not very skilled researchers. Kind Regards. Valerie, Aust.

Any help in confirming (or refuting) that the three references below to a residence called TANYARD all pertain to the same place would be greatly appreciated! 1) From Thomas Rowland Hooper published A Surrey and Sussex Border Church; Reminiscences of Old-Time Baptist Assemblies at Turners Hill, Horley, and District 1650 to 1840 (Thomas Rowland Hooper, [Stanley L. Hunt, The Printeries, Rushden, Northants], 1925: "The places of the executive and Quarterly Meetings were for many years chiefly at Turner's Hill (from 1727 to 1759 at Griffle English's house). After about 1752 they were occasionally held at Bro. Dodd's, Hollylands, Horley; at the *TANYARD*, and at Thomas Streater's, at Enhams, also once or twice at "Colinden." After 1766 Richard Holiday's House, Cogman's Burstow, alternately with Mee (Meath) Green was used till in 1771 some "Scandlus Reports" connected with the former led to the meeting of Dec. 4, 1771, being transferred to Shepherds, Outwood. After more than a century the Church was provided with a Meeting House, erected in Horley Row... It was occupied from 1760 to 1791... After 1791 it became a dwelling house... An annex with an oven was erected and for over hundred years a baker's business was carried on and the place known as "The Old Bakehouse." In 1920 it was sold and renovated and is now a private residence. Of those at Horley the *TANYARD* was long since closed and the house rebuilt. Collinden, a farmhouse near Horse Hill, and Enham, perhaps "Inholm" near Harrowsley, have remains. Hollylands seems uncertain; its reputed site is near Horley lands on the Balcomb Road, where is yet an ancient house.” 2) From Google Maps: Tanyard Russ Hill Rd Charlwood, Horley, Surrey RH6, UK <http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&q=tanyard ,+horley,+surrey&sll=51.279958,-0.211487&sspn=0.187694,0.44014&ie=UTF8&ll=51 .156766,-0.230412&spn=0.011762,0.027509&z=15&iwloc=addr&om=0> For other residences cited in the exerpt above above, please see my customized Google map: <http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&gl=us&ie=UTF8&msa=0&msid=1042936327031 08193753.000442f0f14a388d5af5c> 3) From http://www.dbrg.org.uk/charlwood.html: Tanyard Farm c1600 TQ238410 Smallhouse,2.5 bays including smoke bay, with earlier truss forming rear wall Thanks for your help, Perry Perry Streeter (mailto:perry@streeter.com) http://www.perry.streeter.com

I am looking for any information on my grandmother Lily Lane (1880 Herne Bay - 1938 London) I believe she was daughter of George Lane (1843 Herne Bay - ) who married Elzabeth Preistly. ... and there my knowledge ends. There were eleven other children in the family beside Lily. Pat ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping

Hello Folks, A few days ago someone asked I I had anty data on the subject marriage , and I now have that but the email has disappeared so can that person contact me again please Will see if I can find it in Rootsweb archives but just in case Phil White

Hell Maree !851 Census sent direct Phil White

Hello Folks, I have a few dates I hope someone can help with regarding the following couple and their children William DEWDNEY married Fanny BANNISTER 29 Jan 1871 Cuckfield and they had some 8 children, and the ones I am interested in were born in Horsham as far as I can determine, and here are the specific ones where I have incomplete data Sarah Elizabeth bn abt 1875 married a George MUGGERIDGE late 1900 Horsham Alice Mary bn abt early 1879 and died early 1886 again Horsham Stephen bn abt late 1884 If anyone can help with these dates I would be very grateful, and if anyone can tell me anything about the family of Fanny bannister that would be much appreciated Phil White in New Hampshire USA Roots in Sussex and IOW

Hello all: I've been off list for a couple of years and have been "lurking a bit". I've already spied some familiar friends and names. I am interested in contacting any descendants of the SANDERS and some related families of East Grinstead. My bunch (CAREW SANDERS) left for America in the early 1850's after residing in the East Grinstead area for about 300 years and I have been fairly successful in tracing our tree back to a WILLYAM SANDERS, born in Worth in 1586. My research interests are: England: SA(U)NDERS and CHART, E.Grinstead, Worth, Ssx; and Felbridge/Lingfield, Sry, pre 1500 - 1850 Also related families of BYSSHE/BISH pre 1500 - 1850, Worth, Ssx and Horne, Godstone, Sry and TAYLOR, BUTCHER, FENNER, PAYN(E), same time period, in and around E.Grinstead. Place names: ROSE COTTAGE and GULLEDGE of E/G & Felbridge. USA: CAREW SANDERS, St. Louis and Mississippi, 1875+ HENRY SANDERS and WILLIAM H. SANDERS, Clay County, KS 1870+ and West Palm Beach Florida, 1890 + One great interest of mine is attempting to find a link between the Charlwood Sanders and the East Grinstead Sanders. So far - no luck - but the Carew name is intriguing. Kind regards and it's good to be back. Jack Sanders, Eureka, Kansas Website showing family tree: http://ackshunjackson.com/page2.html

Hi all, This is a bit of a long shot - and a bit complicated so please bear with me. My ggrandmother was Alice Terry b1863 who married William Pratt. In 1891 they are living at 20 Conway St, Hove with children John 8, William 6 and Florence 4. In 1901 Alice Pratt is a boarder at 23 Suffolk St, Hove. She is boarding with Henry Colbourne 49, Charlie Colbourne 16, Charlie Baker 44 (also a boarder), and her children John 18, William 16, Florence 14, Percy 11 and Herbert 8 (actually Hubert). She is described as married as is Henry. I have also traced Henry's family - he married Ellen Bridger and was with her in 1891. My grandmother was born in November 1902 - although she was always unsure of her actual year of birth. It wasn't until my mum and I started looking into the family that we noticed that my grandmother was christened Dorothy Victoria Colbourne Pratt. This got us thinking and the more we have looked into it the more we are convinced that she was the illegitimate daughter of Henry. Henry died 11/04/1902 at 23 Suffolk St and Alice was the informant. We cannot find a positive death for William Pratt - nor find him in 1901. We also cannot yet find Ellen Colbourne in 1901 although we know she was still alive. What I have found is the military records of one Harry Colbourne b1882 who was one of Henry and Ellen's children. When he signed up aged nearly 19 he gave his name as Harry Randall. In 1901 there is a sworn affadavit from him to say that this was a mistake and that his real name was Harry Colbourne as indicated by his birth cert - he had obviously been asked to produce it for some reason, possibly because he was about to marry. All of his other records confirm that he was indeed the son of Henry and Ellen. If anyone is still with me <g>, the questions I now have are: Why did Harry call himself Randall? I assume that he wanted to distance himself from his father but why Randall? I cannot find that his mother remarried. Where was Ellen in 1901? Where was William Pratt in 1901 - or when did he die? I hope that someone can solve this little mystery for me. We will never be certain that Henry is my ggrandfather but the circumstantial evidence is growing! BTW - Colbourne is spelt many different ways but I have just stuck to the most commonly occurring one here. many thanks in advance, Anne _________________________________________________________________ Telly addicts unite! http://www.searchgamesbox.com/tvtown.shtml

Hi Ros I'll list all I find in case they are of use later. First two are from vol 1661-1700 but there weren't any listed in the other 2 vols. Sorry Andy Petworth Sessions 9 & 10 1671 John STURT, a poor man, lately married to Anne MORGAN a poor widow of Climping; she has brought with her several small children under 7 years who are likely to be chargeable. Order that all children over 7 years be sent from Flepham to Climping Lewes Sessions 13 & 14 Jul 1676 John STURT; JPs Order removing him from Albourne to Hurstperpoint set aside, he to be returned to Albourne. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ros Dunnico" <ros.dunn@tiscali.co.uk> To: "Andy Hedgcock" <andy701@blueyonder.co.uk> Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [SXP] Settlement Orders & Cases 1701-1729 and 1730-1749 Catalogueof Sussex Quarter Session > Hi Andy, > > Thank you for the offer of lookups. Could you see if there are any for > the surname Sturt(e). My Sturts moved from Stopham to Arundel about this > time and wonder if they had a certificate. > > Thank you, > > Ros in Leigh-on-Sea, Essex. > >

Hi Perry Arundel Session 11 & 12 Jan 1669 George STREATER, a poor person lately brought from Beeding to Nuthurst; On Nuthurst's appeal it is ordered that he be returned to Beeding. [This one in the 1661-1700 volume] Lewes Sessions 21 & 22 Apr 1726 Thomas STREETER, wife Elizabeth; Thomas, John, William and Ann; JPs Order removing them from East Hoathly to Frant confirmed. Petworth Sessions 5 & 6 Apr 1703 Richard STREATER, wife Mary and her son John [does this mean Richard is not John's father?? - not sure]; JPs Order removing them to Angmering from Washington set aside (but see also 1074 - this is the next entry) Thomas STREATER, wife Mary and her son John; JPs Order removing them from Washington to Angmering received and filed (see also 1066 - this is the above entry) Lewes Session 12 & 13 Jan 1710 Walter STREATER, wife Susan: JPs Order removing them from Hailsham to Chiddingly set aside. Lewes Session 6 & 7 Oct 1720 Walter STREATOR; JPs Order removing him from Laughton to Ripe confirmed. Lewes Session 24 Ap 1745 Richard STREATOR, wife Anne, Mary; JPs order removing them from Ninfield to Hooe set aside. Lewes Session 13 & 14 Jan 1732 Thomas STREETER and child Elizabeth: JPs Order removing them from Hollington to Ashburnham set aside Lewes Sessions 13 & 14 Jul 1732 Thomas STREATER and daughter Elizabeth; JPs Order removing them from Hollington to St James, Westminster respited to next Sessions Lewes Sessions 8 & 9 Oct 1747 Sarah STREATOR; JPs Order removing her from Ore to Holy Trinity, Hastings confirmed, but later at same Sessions set aside on appeal I've listed all the variations regardless of area just in case they are of use to you in the future. I'm posting them on the Sussex board in case of use to anyone else. Cheers Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: Perry Streeter To: andy701@blueyonder.co.uk Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 12:31 PM Subject: Settlement Orders & Cases 1701-1729 and 1730-1749 Catalogue Andy: I would appreciate any records for STREATER, STREETER, etc. in East Grinstead or surrounding parishes: http://www.sfhg.org.uk/ssxmap3.html#X Thanks! Perry Streeter www.perry.streeter.com

There was a place called Ore place with the Jesuits, as a chapel , the Jesuit house near Hastings, it was a French Jesuit college theologate , does anyone have any info. on this please? Jennifer -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web