Thanks Irene Hi Andy Could I ask for a look up for Coleman, Cramp/e, Foster, Goodsell, Hoad, Manser, Ransom, Sivyer, and Thatcher please. If too many then my apologies. Thanks Meegan in Oz Surviving Secondary Liver Cancer thanks to SirSpheres www.sirtex.com/ and www.y90support.org -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.14/1247 - Release Date: 1/28/2008 10:59 AM

Hi all Just to say I will get through all the requests I've received. I try not to do too many at once to avoid errors. If anyone has other hard copy lists of whatever kind, covering anywhere in the UK, I'd be very pleased to hear of any HEDGCOCK, HEDGECOCK, EDGCOCK, EDGECOCK, mentions. Thanks Andy

I agree with Geoff - near as I can recall from a few too many years back! I was referred to as Esquire as indeed were most of my generation and I'm about as far removed from Aristocracy as you can get!! Seriously I do believe it was a term of politeness only. Cheers Ron Phillips Melbourne Vic -----Original Message----- From: sussex-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sussex-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Geoff Sent: Monday, 28 January 2008 9:12 PM To: SUSSEX-PLUS@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SXP] Position: Esquire on Marriage Cert Hello list, I believe it was simply a polite way of addressing a letter. I don't think there were undertones of aristocracy or wealth, those people would probably have 'proper' titles. It was used quite a lot a number of years ago, but seems to have died out now. Regards Geoff ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SUSSEX-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I believe it means "gentleman". Jan >I googled the term "Esquire" that was on a Marriage Certificate from 1906. > I came up with a term denoting social status. Does this mean of noble > birth or just meaning wealthy and land owner? > > Take care, > > Walter > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SUSSEX-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

On 27 Jan 2008 at 23:39, Walter Morgan wrote: > I googled the term "Esquire" that was on a Marriage Certificate from 1906. > I came up with a term denoting social status. Does this mean of noble > birth or just meaning wealthy and land owner? > If it is 20thC, it is starting to be about pretensions, so it may just be a claim. It would declare at least that they are not directly of a title, though it may indicate that they have some level of title in a few past generations. Wikipedia covers the topic reasonably well (too long to replicate) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esquire http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squire It would also be a bit of an indicator that you should check for a probate for themselves and parents. Whether they are pretensions or not, they probably a good indicator of a will having been written, and a later probate if there was sufficient value. Regards, Andrew

Hi Geoff Yes in more recent years I certainly think so too. My parents (born early 1900's) always referred to men as esquire.....on a letter and messrs, master etc But why on a census? Given in Leiu of an occupation, this I dont understand fully myself. Does it mean a certain attainment of "something" in society? Ok not peerage from what I have come across in my trees, but a certain recognition? Cheers Pam from Adelaide Australia > Hello list, > > I believe it was simply a polite way of addressing a letter. I don't > think there were undertones of aristocracy or wealth, those people would > probably have 'proper' titles. It was used quite a lot a number of years > ago, but seems to have died out now. > > Regards > > Geoff > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SUSSEX-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.12/1245 - Release Date: > 26/01/2008 3:45 PM > >

Walter I have an esquire..... I am not certain of this BUT I think (in my case) it meant a retired gentleman of means....which could be someone who has made money in enterprises of some sort. A business man perhaps or a gentleman. Mine did not seem to link to anyone of peerage etc, but certainly of someone that had become wealthy for the times. Maybe someone with more knowledge can enlighten us? Cheers Pam from Adelaide > > I believe it means "gentleman". > > Jan > >>I googled the term "Esquire" that was on a Marriage Certificate from 1906. >> I came up with a term denoting social status. Does this mean of noble >> birth or just meaning wealthy and land owner? >> >> Take care, >> >> Walter >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SUSSEX-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SUSSEX-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.12/1245 - Release Date: > 26/01/2008 3:45 PM > >

Hi Irene We have - Arundel Sessions 8 & 9 Jan 1677 Alice TAYLOR; Order removing her from Petworth to Wisborough Green Chichester Sessions 22 & 23 Apr 1661 Widow MOSE, now married to Anthony TAYLER of Rudgwick, has left behind her 2 children at Kirdford. Order for children to be sent to TAYLOR [sic] at Rudgwick Petworth Sessions 11 & 12 Jan 1692 John TAYLER; JPs Order removing him from Angmering to West Tarring respited on appeal to next Sessions Petworth Sessions 11 & 12 Jul 1687 Margaret TAYLOR; Order removing her from Pagham to Merston Lewes Sessions 10 & 11 Oct 1700 Richard TAYLOR, and his wife; JPs Order removing them from Beckley to Northiam respited on appeal to next Sessions Arundel Sessions 12 & 13 Jan 1719 Andrew TAYLOR; JPs Order removing him from Stedham to Midhurst confirmed Lewes Sessions 1 & 2 May 1701 Richard TAYLOR, wife Ann, JPs Order removing them from Beckley to Northiam confirmed Lewes Sessions 20 & 21 Apr 1710 John TAYLOR; JPs Order removing him from Rotherfield to Speldhurst, Kent set aside Lewes Sessions 12 & 13 Jul 1711 Lyonell TAYLOR: JPs Order removing him from Burwash to Battle confirmed Lewes Sessions 17 & 18 Jan 1723 Mercy TAYLER, widow; JPs Order removing her from Rye to Westham set aside Lewes Sessions 13 & 14 Jul 1732 William TAYLOR, wife Ann; JPs Order removing them from Beddington to Cliffe confirmed, and Cliffe to pay Beddington's costs for not prosecuting their appeal Lewes Sessions 13 Jan 1743 Edward TAYLOR, wife Anne; JPs Order removing them from Bexhill to Wilmington set aside Chichester Sessions 6 & 7 Apr 1730 Mary TAYLOR, wid & sons Thomas & William; JPs Order removing them from Nuthurst to Shipley confirmed I've included both spellings as it wasn't consistant at the time. Cheers Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Irene Taylor" <migt@xtra.co.nz> To: <SUSSEX-PLUS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 2:45 AM Subject: [SXP] Settlement Orders & Cases 1701-1729 and 1730-1749 > Hi > > > > Thank you very much for the kind offer. Would you be able to help out > with > the surname Taylor. > > > > Any help would be very much appreciated. > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > Irene > > NZ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SUSSEX-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hi Stella No listings for either names. I checked an earlier vol as well, 1661-1700, but no joy either. regards Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Green" <greens_pg@hotmail.com> To: <SUSSEX-PLUS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 9:29 AM Subject: [SXP] Settlement Orders & Cases > Greetings everyone, > Andy, Many thanks for your kind offer of look-ups. Could you please try > for the name of either HOLTON or FARRAND please? > Thanks again, > Stella, Western Australia > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SUSSEX-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Greetings everyone, Andy, Many thanks for your kind offer of look-ups. Could you please try for the name of either HOLTON or FARRAND please? Thanks again, Stella, Western Australia

Hi Andy I would be very grateful for any Smallpiece entries Many thanks Debbie

I think that some time - this form of address might have been the style of the times - I remember my father - receiving mail - addressed to him - eg. John Smith, Esq. he was a cook/chef My son - when he was just a child - teen - also received some mail - addressed to him - Esq. he was a student When he received letter of acceptance to the Universities - the letters were also address Esq. Styles change - sometimes words , titles etc - are misused - and become the norm - for a time. Perhaps at some time - a more formal way of addressing people. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esquire Cheers, Stella At 12:12 PM 28/01/2008, Walter Morgan wrote: >Thanks everyone for that insightful discussion. > >take care, > >Walter > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >SUSSEX-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Thank you very much for the kind offer. Would you be able to help out with the surname Taylor. Any help would be very much appreciated. Thanks in advance. Irene NZ

Thanks everyone for that insightful discussion. take care, Walter

Hi Everyone Is there anyone researching the above person this is him in the 1901 Census with his family. I have the where abouts of him before this date. 1901 Census. 38 St Mary's Rd, Eastbourne, Sx. Name. Occ. Born. Charles A Fry. Hd. M. 39. Gardener Domestic. Speldhurst, Kent. Mary L Fry. Wi. M. 33. Brecon, Wales. Stanley P Fry. So. U. 5. Eastbourne, Sx. Nora L P Fry. Da. U. 9m. Eastbourne, Sx. They were still living at the above address in the 1903 Blue Book Directory of Eastbourne. Charles Arthur FRY m Mary Louise PROSSER 1893 Eastbourne. The Initial P in the children's name is PROSSER. Stanley Prosser Fry died Feb 1985 Eastbourne aged 89 years. This could have been Stanley P Fry in the Brighton Telephone Book living at 4 Russell Cottages, Watts Lane, Eastbourne. Pauline No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.12/1245 - Release Date: 26/01/2008 3:45 PM

Dear Andy Are there any VIRGO family mentioned? Best wishes Jill

The description "denoting social status" does not necessarily mean high social status; just as the word "officer" can denote a lowly non-commissioned officer, or a general. To return to the issue in question: A marriage usually takes places in the bride's parish, or near to her parent's place of residence, so the groom is sometimes not well known to the official. That official will not want to insult the groom by marking him down as of a possible lower status then he actually is in everyday life, so adds the Esq to the marriage certificate as a mark of respect, or at least as a match to the perceived rank of the bride's parents. And the bride and groom and their families go away happy, or at least not insulted. This withstanding, I would expect that the groom was at least well-spoken and well-dressed to gain this designation, so he probably was at the least a "white collar" worker. Surely, if he marries in 1906, you can find the family in the 1891 & 1901 census to back up or otherwise your suspicions. Go back a few decades, and the status tied to this word would be more definite. Like so many unofficial terms of status it has become "degraded" over time, to the point that it becomes nearly useless and is rarely used, except by organisations wed to tradition. Think yeoman, husbandman, and even gentleman. Chris On 28/01/2008, Walter Morgan <gator@gbta.net> wrote: > I googled the term "Esquire" that was on a Marriage Certificate from 1906. > I came up with a term denoting social status. Does this mean of noble > birth or just meaning wealthy and land owner? > > Take care, > > Walter

Hi Valerie, If you want to give me his name and approximate age I shall see if I can find him on the 1841 census for you. That should help with the address, and people that were living with him, and where he was born. Cheers Pam from Adelaide Australia > Hello to all, I'm new to the list and wonder if anyone can tell me how I > might find further information. We have just found that my gg uncle died > at > Brighton General hospital in 1849. It looks as though the address on the > military papers states Thornton Heath as his home address. If he died at > Brighton , where would his grave likely be? Are Brighton and Thornton > Heath > reasonably close? The other query is would there likely be any newspapers > on line for that period in the area so as to source death notices? > Apologies, if there are too many questions, we are not very skilled > researchers. Kind Regards. Valerie, Aust.

The dictionary definition of Esquire is: Title appended to name of one regarded as gentleman by birth, position or education, especially in address of letter. When I went to Secretarial College (more years ago than I care to remember) we were taught the correct way to address people and Esq. was used for those in authority and Mr. for others. When I got out into the real world it was more convenient to use Esq. for all. In the village where I now live Esq. was always used for those living on the large estates, particularly in newspaper reports, the parish magazine and sometimes in the parish registers. Jane

Hello List. Is anyone researching LAVENDER, from about 1838 to the present day, areas of Hailsham and Hellingly. Frederick born 1840, Owen 1843, George 1844 (have some info on him) Alfred 1847, Edwin 1850, William 1854, Sarah A 1855, Ellen 1856, Charles 1860. Parents William born circa 1806 and Sarah (no maiden name) 1817) With thanks Leslea No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.13/1246 - Release Date: 27/01/2008 6:39 PM