Good morning all, I have just re subscribed after an absence of a couple of years. I hope someone can help me; I am trying to find details of the birth/baptism of my 3 gt grandfather Stephen Manser who I understand to have come from Brede and was born c 1814. Stephen was the son of Thomas Manser (Bailiff) and Keturah Murgin/Morgan. I believe Stephen had a sister Harriett and a brother Thomas. In 1839 Stephen and his wife Dorothy nee Ransom b1806 Bexhill emigrated to Sydney NSW per barque "Florist" with them was their 4 year old daughter Harriett. If anyone recognises these names and is willing to share their info with me I would be very grateful. Regards Meegan Hodges P.S. Where would I find information about the bailiff Thomas Manser?

Karen, Sorry, according to www.the weald.org the Henry in Rotherfield seems not be yours as wife listed is different and children don't match. But another Baker in Mayfield I have listed on a document is this: AMS 5442 (ESRO) 1657 27th April Conveyance (Feoffment) Consideration £67 John Sawyer of Mayfield, yeo to John Baker of Mayfield, esq. “Land called Bridgewaters croft (la.) with a barn, in Mayfield abutting E on the lands of Thomas May, SE on the highway from Mayfield Town to Colkinsmill bridge, W. on a lane leading to Mayfield Park and NE on the vicarage lands.“ Could John be Henry's father or uncle? another site http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~madgenealogist/ImmigrantAncestors.html This tells much more about Henry but only his birthplace as England. http://www.gurganus.org/ourfamily/browse.cfm/Major-Henry-Baker/p32853/recent Some very interesting information on Henry'd wife inheriting from a friend http://files.usgwarchives.net/va/isleofwight/court/history2.txt Another gives extensive information about Henry http://digitalarchive.wm.edu/bitstream/10288/2070/6/thesis_final_copy_for_archives.pdf Sorry not more on the English roots. Gloria I > > Message: 6 > Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 20:51:09 +1000 > From: "Karen Baker" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [SXP] Baker of Mayfield > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Thank you to all who replied to me. > > Here is some additional information about my Baker ancestors: > > My 3rd great grandfather wrote this account of the Bakers in 1847 > <http://pcn2051.tripod.com/narrativ.htm> > http://pcn2051.tripod.com/narrativ.htm Various accounts of the Bakers in > North Carolina and Virginia rely extensively on this document. > > I have photos of the watch and seal which Dr Baker describes. When I googled > Bakers of Mayfield this is what I got (pictures from St Dunstan's) > <http://news.webshots.com/album/578675181VUQmtY> > http://news.webshots.com/album/578675181VUQmtY which makes me hope I have > connected the Bakers on both sides of the Atlantic. > > I showed the picture of the seal to a British genealogy specialist (at a > conference last year in Utah) and asked him if there was any way to tell > which son in the family had this seal. I understand that the eldest son > inherits the coat of arms, and subsequent sons mark theirs in some way to > indicate they are the 2nd, 3rd, etc. son. The specialist said the coat of > arms had not been marked and he described what to look for (a line across > the top of the castle). > > About Henry Baker himself I don't know a lot. He is referred to as "Henry > the immigrant". Henry was born in England around 1645 and died in 1712 in > Virginia. He married Mary Blake, said to be part of Admiral Blake's family. > Henry and Mary had 4 sons: Henry, James, William and Lawrence. > > Karen > > > _____ > > From: Karen Baker [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Sunday, 13 February 2011 6:08 AM > To: '[email protected]' > Subject: Baker of Mayfield > > > Hello, > > My ancestor, Henry Baker, went to Virginia in the 1600s. His coat of arms is > the same as on the Baker memorial stones in St Dunstan's, Mayfield, a castle > between 3 keys. I am hoping to connect the Baker family in England with my > Baker family in Virginia. Does anyone have this Baker family in their tree? > > Karen > >

Karen, familysearch.org has a Henry Baker baptized 1645 in Rotherfield, father Thomas. Rotherfield is just a few miles from Rotherfield and various families went back and forth between the two villages. Gloria > Message: 6 > Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 20:51:09 +1000 > From: "Karen Baker" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [SXP] Baker of Mayfield > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Thank you to all who replied to me. > > Here is some additional information about my Baker ancestors: > > My 3rd great grandfather wrote this account of the Bakers in 1847 > <http://pcn2051.tripod.com/narrativ.htm> > http://pcn2051.tripod.com/narrativ.htm Various accounts of the Bakers in > North Carolina and Virginia rely extensively on this document. > > I have photos of the watch and seal which Dr Baker describes. When I googled > Bakers of Mayfield this is what I got (pictures from St Dunstan's) > <http://news.webshots.com/album/578675181VUQmtY> > http://news.webshots.com/album/578675181VUQmtY which makes me hope I have > connected the Bakers on both sides of the Atlantic. > > I showed the picture of the seal to a British genealogy specialist (at a > conference last year in Utah) and asked him if there was any way to tell > which son in the family had this seal. I understand that the eldest son > inherits the coat of arms, and subsequent sons mark theirs in some way to > indicate they are the 2nd, 3rd, etc. son. The specialist said the coat of > arms had not been marked and he described what to look for (a line across > the top of the castle). > > About Henry Baker himself I don't know a lot. He is referred to as "Henry > the immigrant". Henry was born in England around 1645 and died in 1712 in > Virginia. He married Mary Blake, said to be part of Admiral Blake's family. > Henry and Mary had 4 sons: Henry, James, William and Lawrence. > > Karen > > > _____ > > From: Karen Baker [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Sunday, 13 February 2011 6:08 AM > To: '[email protected]' > Subject: Baker of Mayfield > > > Hello, > > My ancestor, Henry Baker, went to Virginia in the 1600s. His coat of arms is > the same as on the Baker memorial stones in St Dunstan's, Mayfield, a castle > between 3 keys. I am hoping to connect the Baker family in England with my > Baker family in Virginia. Does anyone have this Baker family in their tree? > > Karen > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 12:53:53 +0000 (GMT) > From: CHRIS MALE <[email protected]> > Subject: [SXP] MALE and MATTHEWS > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > My ggg grandfather, Samuel Male, married Mira/Miriam/Mirian/Miriah/Marian > Matthews (she was never referred to by the same name twice!)?in April 1825 in > Portsmouth. I know that Miriah came from Chidham (christened in 1808)?and I > strongly believe Samuel did as well. I was told that Miriah had a child prior to > 1825 but have no details and I believe she died before?the 1841 census, > presumably in Portsmouth as that is where Samuel (and the Males) remained. > > If anyone has any further information about either family?and can put me out of > my misery, possibly putting a small dent in my brickwall, it would be greatly > appreciated. > > Many thanks > > Chris Male > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the SUSSEX-PLUS list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the SUSSEX-PLUS mailing list, send an email to [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of SUSSEX-PLUS Digest, Vol 6, Issue 15 > ******************************************

Thank you to all who replied to me. Here is some additional information about my Baker ancestors: My 3rd great grandfather wrote this account of the Bakers in 1847 <http://pcn2051.tripod.com/narrativ.htm> http://pcn2051.tripod.com/narrativ.htm Various accounts of the Bakers in North Carolina and Virginia rely extensively on this document. I have photos of the watch and seal which Dr Baker describes. When I googled Bakers of Mayfield this is what I got (pictures from St Dunstan's) <http://news.webshots.com/album/578675181VUQmtY> http://news.webshots.com/album/578675181VUQmtY which makes me hope I have connected the Bakers on both sides of the Atlantic. I showed the picture of the seal to a British genealogy specialist (at a conference last year in Utah) and asked him if there was any way to tell which son in the family had this seal. I understand that the eldest son inherits the coat of arms, and subsequent sons mark theirs in some way to indicate they are the 2nd, 3rd, etc. son. The specialist said the coat of arms had not been marked and he described what to look for (a line across the top of the castle). About Henry Baker himself I don't know a lot. He is referred to as "Henry the immigrant". Henry was born in England around 1645 and died in 1712 in Virginia. He married Mary Blake, said to be part of Admiral Blake's family. Henry and Mary had 4 sons: Henry, James, William and Lawrence. Karen _____ From: Karen Baker [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, 13 February 2011 6:08 AM To: '[email protected]' Subject: Baker of Mayfield Hello, My ancestor, Henry Baker, went to Virginia in the 1600s. His coat of arms is the same as on the Baker memorial stones in St Dunstan's, Mayfield, a castle between 3 keys. I am hoping to connect the Baker family in England with my Baker family in Virginia. Does anyone have this Baker family in their tree? Karen

My ggg grandfather, Samuel Male, married Mira/Miriam/Mirian/Miriah/Marian Matthews (she was never referred to by the same name twice!) in April 1825 in Portsmouth. I know that Miriah came from Chidham (christened in 1808) and I strongly believe Samuel did as well. I was told that Miriah had a child prior to 1825 but have no details and I believe she died before the 1841 census, presumably in Portsmouth as that is where Samuel (and the Males) remained. If anyone has any further information about either family and can put me out of my misery, possibly putting a small dent in my brickwall, it would be greatly appreciated. Many thanks Chris Male

>From London Evening Post, May 20, 1742 - May 22, 1742; Issue 2267. April 17, 1742. Deserted from the Hon. General TYRREL's Regiment of Foot, James TARMAN , lately listed, aged 26 Years, born at Lodsworth in Sussex, Labourer, five Feet seven Inches and three Quarters high without Shoes, small Visage, black Hair, and of a swarthy Complexion, had on when he deserted a blue Coat, green Waistcoat, and light grey Breeches, and suppos'd to be conceal'd at Shirley Common near Croydon in Surrey, or at his Brother's, a Farmer, at Seal near Sevenoaks in Kent. Therefore whoever shall apprehend the said Deserter, and confine him in any Gaol in Great Britain, and send Word to Capt. Anthony DODD at the Savoy, shall receive a Guinea Reward, over and above what is allow'd by Act of Parliament for apprehending Deserters.

>From Post Man and the Historical Account ( London, England ), September 15, 1720 - September 17, 1720; Issue 1858. Whereas Mary ANDREWS , the Wife of John Andrews , of Midhurst, in the County of Sussex, Yeoman, Eloped from her said Husband, on the 3d of September instant. These are to give notice to all Persons not to give her any Credit, for I will not pay any Debts she shall contract after the Poblication hereof, as Witness my Hand John ANDREWS.

Hello Karen I have a book that belonged to my Mother and sent to her in the late 40s early 50s called "Looking Back" by Fred Lister. In it is a paragraph re the Baker Bros. Here what is says: The Baker Brothers "I should think quite some 60 years ago there was a family of brothers named Baker, they were farm labourers and lived at Coggin's Mill. One day to everyone's surprise it came out they had combined and taken Sharnden Farm. By extreme hard work and good business ways they met with success and later on gave up Sharnden Farm and started in farms each one separately all of them made good and I think have all retired quite well off. Mr George Baker was the leader and I take this opportunity of most sincerely congratulating him on his and his brothers well earned success. Mr G Baker is still alive and lives at Stonegate. I do not know if any of his brother are still alive" Hope this may help in some small way. My mother was born in Mayfield in 1899 Happy Hunting Pauline [email protected] > > Hello, > > My ancestor, Henry Baker, went to Virginia in the 1600s. His coat of arms > is > the same as on the Baker memorial stones in St Dunstan's, Mayfield, a > castle > between 3 keys. I am hoping to connect the Baker family in England with my > Baker family in Virginia. Does anyone have this Baker family in their > tree? > > Karen

>From Gazetteer and New Daily Advertiser ( London, England ), Friday, May 23, 1777: Issue 15 053. Lewes, in Sussex, May 12. - On Friday the 9th inst. as a boy, six years of age, and his sister, aged four years, son and daughter to Mr. TWOPENNY , blacksmith, at Ticehurst, were playing together near the brink of a pond, a small distance from their father's house, they both fell in, and were unhappily drowned in sight of their mother.

Hello, My ancestor, Henry Baker, went to Virginia in the 1600s. His coat of arms is the same as on the Baker memorial stones in St Dunstan's, Mayfield, a castle between 3 keys. I am hoping to connect the Baker family in England with my Baker family in Virginia. Does anyone have this Baker family in their tree? Karen

Hi all, I have two references to Gratwicke epople: 1. John Gratwicke was nominated an executor to the will of George Blaker of Cowfold, Sussex, in his will of 23 April 1617. The will was proved in the Archdeaconry Court of Lewes 28 April 1617 (Book A. 16, fol. 9); 2. Ann Gratwick(sic) married Elias Fry at New Shoreham, 7 June 1689; It is probably their son, Gratwick Fry, who married Sarah Blaker, 9 November 1723. HTH Rod Blaker

Hi, I have All Saints, Portfield, Chichester BMD 1871-1901 if anyone needs a look up. Regards Heather

>From Oracle and Public Advertiser ( London, England ), Saturday, July 7, 1798; Issue 19972. DIED. On Sunday last, at Chichester, in Sussex, Mrs. Susanna SABATEIR , aged 80 years, the widow of Mr. John SABATEIR , formerly of Christ Church, Spitalfields, London. They were both of Refugees, who were driven to England by the Persecution in France on account of the Edict of Nantes.

Hi Helen There is a publication "The Family Gratwicke, of Jarvis, Shermanbury and Tortington. By J Comber Sussex Archaelogy 60 1919. The introduction starts " Throughout the 16th Century the family of Gratwicke were so numerous and widespread, in the county of Sussex, that, though it is possible to make out numerous pedigrees of the various branches, it is by no means easy to connect them all together. .....two main branches 1) the Western, which at the beginning of the century was settled at W Grinstead and embraces the families of Needs, Septens, etc., in that place, Ham in Angmering, Godshill in Cowfold and I believe, Eatons in Henfield: 2) the Eastern embracing the families of jarvis in Cowfold, Shermanbury, and Tortington, which latter also at one time held part of the manor of Ham. My most recent GRATWICKE ancestor was Mary 1671-1714 who married John SAVAGE in 1691. Mary's parents were Joseph 1631-1707 and Mary (nee BURCHFIELD). Joseph's parents were Joseph 1587-1638 who married Joane (nee BARTLETT). Joseph's parents were William d 1596 and Mary (nee DAVIE). William's parents were Richard 1520-1582 and Alice. Sources for this line of descent are IGI Pedigree Resource Submission Number 6286-060199095436 Submitter: Joseph M. Reed (---) 2059 East Brown Road #68, Mesa, Arizona, 85213 and IGI Batch Number P014161 Dates 1558 - 1812 Source Call No.:6073485 Film Cheers Chris Farrington Auckland New Zealand On Tue, 8 Feb 2011 15:59:24 -0700, Helen <[email protected]> wrote: > Can anybody advise me, please, if there is any sort of reference work > (reliable) that would give me reliable genealogical data on this family? > I > thought I had worked out my husband's line, but now there appears to be a > difference of opinion on some of the Gratwicke parentage and marriages for > some people and I would like to try and establish once and for all a > relatively reliable reference source. > > Any help would be most gratefully received. > > Best wishes, > Helen > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The GRATWICKE Family are very numerous in the geographical area now covered by Horsham District Council and many were influential people of their time as well. I have seen a variety of pedigrees for them over the years and it seems to me that it was a family comprising a number of small groups that have never been put together to form a single family tree. Mind you, the 19th and early 20th Century genealogists didn't have access to the resources that we have today, notably the Census returns. You might like to check the following references: 1 "Sussex Genealogies, Horsham Centre" by John Comber; 2 "Pedigrees of the Families in the County of Sussex" by William Berry; 3 Sussex Archaeological Collections, volume LX contains an article by John Comber in which he tries to pull together some of the strands of his research by looking at their descent via Manorial records. However, you do need to bear in mind that all these texts will contain errors and so facts will need to be verified by consulting the original records. Best wishes, Marion Woolgar Bognor Regis, West Sussex SFHG Member No: 3323

Hi Helen The only reliable research is your own Everyone elses needs verifying Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Can anybody advise me, please, if there is any sort of reference work > (reliable) that would give me reliable genealogical data on this family? I > thought I had worked out my husband's line, but now there appears to be a > difference of opinion on some of the Gratwicke parentage and marriages for > some people and I would like to try and establish once and for all a > relatively reliable reference source. > > Any help would be most gratefully received. > > Best wishes, > Helen

Would be interested in hearing from anybody researching these names in Sussex and Kent. Best wishes, Helen

Can anybody advise me, please, if there is any sort of reference work (reliable) that would give me reliable genealogical data on this family? I thought I had worked out my husband's line, but now there appears to be a difference of opinion on some of the Gratwicke parentage and marriages for some people and I would like to try and establish once and for all a relatively reliable reference source. Any help would be most gratefully received. Best wishes, Helen

>From The Times, Tuesday, Jul 20, 1926; pg.1; Issue 44328; col A DEATH. GODWIN - HAMMACK. - On Tuesday, 13th July, 1926, at Cliftonville, Kent, Rupert GODWIN - HAMMACK , late of 86, Marine-parade, Brighton, Sussex, youngest son of the late Arthur GODWIN - HAMMACK, of Littlehampton, Sussex, aged 45 years.

Hi Phil, According to this http://www.hurstpierpoint-pc.org.uk/heritage.asp Thomas Marchant lived at Little Park Farm House. This is the address of Little Park Farm. You will be able to use Google maps from this info. Little Park Farm Marchants Close Hurstpierpoint HASSOCKS BN6 9UZ I know the area well as I used to live in the next village. Where will you be staying? hth, Anne > Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2011 20:33:36 +0000 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [SXP] Trip to England > > Have you tried contacting the Hurst Study Group? > > http://www.hurst-hsg.net/_hurst-hsg/pages/projects/hurst.html > > Hilary > > > Quoting Phil White <[email protected]>: > > > Hi Folks, We are planning a visit in June, 80% genealogy, to introduce > > our grandson to his English Ancestry and I need a little help in the > > Hurspierpoint area. One of the big finds I made in my Sussex ancestors > > was due to the publication of Thomas Marchants Diary covering some of > > the early 1700 years, including 12 months of negotiations between he and > > John White, the final result being a move by John from Cuckfield to work > > for Thomas in Hurstpierpoint. I would very much like to see the old > > Marchant Farm and the location where John lived while working there. Is > > anyone on this List living in or near Hurstpierpoint that might be able > > to help with directions etc > > Phil White in New Hampshire USA, Roots in Sussex & IOW > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > -- > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message