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    1. [S-misc] [ADMIN-10] This SURNAMES-*@rootsweb.com mailing list
    2. Margaret Olson
    3. This message is 10th and LAST of a series designed to clean up the subscriber list for this list. I hope that the list and newsgroup will be fixed soon. I realize I said the last message would come on Saturday. For you Digest recipients and those living in much of the world east of where I live, it may be Sunday. Sorry! Thanks for your patience. You who have been getting the messages are still subscribed. The people who have not gotten the messages because their email addresses have changed are no longer subscribed, or will be unsubscribed over the next few days. I still have work to do. I hope to be back before long with news of the revival of the groups. Thanks again for understanding. Margaret ============================================================= Watch for the return of the newsgroups and mailing lists ============================================================= SURNAMES-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.global) SURNAMES-BRITAIN-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.britain) SURNAMES-CANADA-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.canada) SURNAMES-GERMAN-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.german) SURNAMES-IRELAND-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.ireland) SURNAMES-USA-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.usa) SURNAMES-MISC-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.misc) ============================================================= Margaret Olson list manager

    08/23/2003 10:40:33
    1. [S-misc] [ADMIN-9] This SURNAMES-*@rootsweb.com mailing list
    2. Margaret Olson
    3. This message is ninth of a series designed to clean up the subscriber list for this list. There will be one additional message in about 12 hours and then I'll leave you alone. Thanks for your patience. ============================================================= NOTICE NOTICE NOTICE NOTICE NOTICE NOTICE NOTICE ============================================================= SURNAMES-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.global) SURNAMES-BRITAIN-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.britain) SURNAMES-CANADA-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.canada) SURNAMES-GERMAN-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.german) SURNAMES-IRELAND-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.ireland) SURNAMES-USA-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.usa) SURNAMES-MISC-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.misc) ============================================================= The reason for these newsgroups is to allow posting newsgroup queries about surnames to a single place, keeping them out of the topic-oriented newsgroups. They are set up to get messages to sub-lists applying to specific countries or regions. The global list has all messages, but the others are region-specific. To learn about the formatting requirements for subject lines, see: http://www.rootsweb.com/~surnames/ These requirements may be amended as we bring back the newsgroups. We also plan to have a web form for sending messages, a form which will check the formatting and suggest corrections. Margaret Olson list manager

    08/22/2003 06:50:06
    1. [S-misc] [ADMIN-8] This SURNAMES-*@rootsweb.com mailing list
    2. Margaret Olson
    3. This message is eigth of a series designed to clean up the subscriber list for this list. It is among the first steps in bringing the following mailing lists and newsgroups back to life. Don't expect messages for awhile, and don't try to send messages yet. We will tell you when you can do that. ============================================================= NOTICE NOTICE NOTICE NOTICE NOTICE NOTICE NOTICE ============================================================= SURNAMES-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.global) SURNAMES-BRITAIN-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.britain) SURNAMES-CANADA-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.canada) SURNAMES-GERMAN-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.german) SURNAMES-IRELAND-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.ireland) SURNAMES-USA-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.usa) SURNAMES-MISC-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.misc) ============================================================= Currently these messages are going only to mailing list subscribers because the automoderation routine is not yet in place. Once the mailing lists are again connected to the newsgroups, I will remove the [S-brit] or [S-global] or other list identifiers from the subject lines. I will also remove the informational taglines at the ends of the messages which instruct on how to unsubscribe. I realize that many mailing list readers like to have the list identifier in the subject line as a way to sort messages, but these lists have gateways to Usenet newsgroups, and there are almost certainly many more people reading the messages on the newsgroup side of the gateways than are getting them in the mailing lists, and those people would be confused and misinformed by the ID and instructions, so they will be removed. Not yet, though - they help the list manager more than they help you right now. Margaret Olson list manager

    08/22/2003 05:23:46
    1. [S-misc] [ADMIN-7] This SURNAMES-*@rootsweb.com mailing list
    2. Margaret Olson
    3. This message is seventh in a series of 12 or so messages designed to clean up the subscriber list for this list. I'll stop sending them on or before Saturday morning, August 23. ============================================================= NOTICE NOTICE NOTICE NOTICE NOTICE NOTICE NOTICE ============================================================= SURNAMES-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.global) SURNAMES-BRITAIN-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.britain) SURNAMES-CANADA-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.canada) SURNAMES-GERMAN-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.german) SURNAMES-IRELAND-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.ireland) SURNAMES-USA-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.usa) SURNAMES-MISC-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.misc) ============================================================= There were nearly 12,000 addresses subscribed to the 21 different lists. Already more than 1000 addresses have been removed, either automatically by bouncing more than three messages or because subscribers decided they didn't want to be on a list. A lot of you forgot you were even here. Many messages bounced because they are to accounts which no longer exist. After 3 bounces the mailing list software at RootsWeb automatically unsubscribes addresses, so I need to send enough messages for 3 or 4 digests to go out in order to clear out the deadwood. I've gotten a LOT of email since I started this, but better now than later when real messages start to come through. I prefer to tell people who have forgotten about the Usenet newsgroup connection now, rather than fielding questions and complaints later. Usenet is a different world which connects to a lot of people who do not subscribe to mailing lists. Back in the good old days when the lists/newsgroups started we'd get 30 or 40 messages a day - or more - to the busiest lists/newsgroups. I hope that - and more - return. We considered just emptying the subscriber lists and telling people to resubscribe later, but decided against that for assorted reasons (such is how to define "later"). Anyhow, I'll stop on Saturday (or before). It will end - I promise. Margaret Olson list manager

    08/20/2003 05:02:51
    1. [S-misc] [ADMIN-6] This SURNAMES-*@rootsweb.com mailing list
    2. Margaret Olson
    3. This message is sixth of a series designed to clean up the subscriber list for this list. It is among the first steps in bringing the following mailing lists and newsgroups back to life. ============================================================= NOTICE NOTICE NOTICE NOTICE NOTICE NOTICE NOTICE ============================================================= SURNAMES-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.global) SURNAMES-BRITAIN-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.britain) SURNAMES-CANADA-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.canada) SURNAMES-GERMAN-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.german) SURNAMES-IRELAND-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.ireland) SURNAMES-USA-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.usa) SURNAMES-MISC-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.misc) ============================================================= There are many resources at RootsWeb and elsewhere where you can exchange information and leave queries about the surnames you are researching. CyndisList.com has an exhaustive list. For mailing lists, see lists.rootsweb.com For message boards, see boards.rootsweb.com For the RootsWeb Surname List see rsl.rootsweb.com Also, worldconnect.rootsweb.com and the Ancestral File at familysearch.org and other links you can find at CyndisList have user submitted GEDCOMs which can give you contact names for others researching the same names. Margaret list manager SURNAMES-admin@rootsweb.com

    08/19/2003 07:30:58
    1. [S-misc] [ADMIN-5] This SURNAMES-*@rootsweb.com mailing list
    2. Margaret Olson
    3. This message is one of a series designed to clean up the subscriber list for this list. It is among the first steps in bringing the following mailing lists and newsgroups back to life. Don't expect messages for awhile, and don't try to send messages yet. We will tell you when you can do that. ============================================================= NOTICE NOTICE NOTICE NOTICE NOTICE NOTICE NOTICE ============================================================= SURNAMES-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.global) SURNAMES-BRITAIN-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.britain) SURNAMES-CANADA-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.canada) SURNAMES-GERMAN-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.german) SURNAMES-IRELAND-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.ireland) SURNAMES-USA-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.usa) SURNAMES-MISC-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.misc) ============================================================= SURNAMES-L/soc.genealogy.surnames.global is an "umbrella" list for SURNAMES-BRITAIN SURNAMES-IRELAND SURNAMES-GERMAN SURNAMES-CANADA SURNAMES-USA SURNAMES-MISC Any message posted to one of those mailing lists will also be sent to SURNAMES-L, and messages sent to SURNAMES-L will be sent to any of the above lists which are mentioned in the places field of the subject line of your message. Margaret list manager SURNAMES-admin@rootsweb.com

    08/19/2003 03:52:46
    1. [S-misc] [ADMIN-4] This SURNAMES-*@rootsweb.com mailing list
    2. Margaret Olson
    3. This message is fourth in a series designed to clean up the subscriber list for this list. There will be 4 or 5 more messages in the next 2 or 3 days and infrequent messages thereafter until the automoderator and (probably) web input are in place. ============================================================= NOTICE NOTICE NOTICE NOTICE NOTICE NOTICE NOTICE ============================================================= SURNAMES-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.global) SURNAMES-BRITAIN-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.britain) SURNAMES-CANADA-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.canada) SURNAMES-GERMAN-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.german) SURNAMES-IRELAND-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.ireland) SURNAMES-USA-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.usa) SURNAMES-MISC-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.misc) ============================================================= SURNAMES-* are moderated mailing lists. They are mirrors of the moderated Usenet newsgroups listed above. In order to have a message accepted, the subject line must conform to a set of rules designed to make the subject lines informative and allow the messages to be sent to the correct newsgroup according to the places mentioned in the places field. See http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~socgen/ Margaret list manager SURNAMES-admin@rootsweb.com This message is among the first steps in bringing the mailing lists and newsgroups back to life. Don't try to post messages yet. We will tell you when you can do that.

    08/18/2003 05:18:36
    1. [S-misc] [ADMIN-3] This SURNAMES-*@rootsweb.com mailing list
    2. Margaret Olson
    3. This message is third in a series designed to clean up the subscriber list for this list. It is among the first steps in bringing the following mailing lists and newsgroups back to life. Don't expect messages for awhile, and don't try to send messages yet. We will tell you when you can do that. ============================================================= NOTICE NOTICE NOTICE NOTICE NOTICE NOTICE NOTICE ============================================================= SURNAMES-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.global) SURNAMES-BRITAIN-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.britain) SURNAMES-CANADA-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.canada) SURNAMES-GERMAN-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.german) SURNAMES-IRELAND-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.ireland) SURNAMES-USA-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.usa) SURNAMES-MISC-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.misc) ============================================================= If you want to remain subscribed, you need do nothing except to wait for messages to come in. Please DO NOT try to send messages to the list yet. They won't go anywhere - yet. If you want to unsubscribe, go ahead and do that. You won't miss anything in the short run and will avoid a few [ADMIN] messages. Your email came to you from one of 21 lists. We have -L (individual email), -I (index), and -D (digest) lists for each of the mailing lists. There were/are -M lists formed originally, but these were made equivalent to the -L lists to conform to other RootsWeb list names. Margaret list manager SURNAMES-admin@rootsweb.com

    08/17/2003 08:49:58
    1. [S-misc] [ADMIN-2] This SURNAMES-*@rootsweb.com mailing list
    2. Margaret Olson
    3. This message is second of a series designed to clean up the subscriber list for this list. It is among the first steps in bringing the following mailing lists and newsgroups back to life. Don't expect messages for awhile, and don't try to send messages yet. We will tell you when you can do that. ============================================================= NOTICE NOTICE NOTICE NOTICE NOTICE NOTICE NOTICE ============================================================= SURNAMES-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.global) SURNAMES-BRITAIN-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.britain) SURNAMES-CANADA-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.canada) SURNAMES-GERMAN-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.german) SURNAMES-IRELAND-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.ireland) SURNAMES-USA-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.usa) SURNAMES-MISC-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.misc) ============================================================= We have been saying to people who post messages or who ask about the silence of these lists: >"You will receive no messages until the problem is resolved >and will not be able to post. We apologize for the problem >and hope to have messages flowing at some point. This list >had high traffic in the past, and we'd like to see it >revived soon. > >Email SURNAMES-admin@rootsweb.com if you have questions. >============================================================= > >Once the messages resume, you will need to know about the >formatting requirements for the subject lines of messages. >SURNAMES-L is a moderated mailing list, which means >that every message submitted must be `approved' before it can >be broadcast to mailing list subscribers. There are some >very specific formatting requirements that each message must >pass in order to be approved. A description can be found on >the Web at ><http://www.rootsweb.com/~surnames/introduction.html>. > >============================================================= > >You are already subscribed. You'll know it when the messages >return when you start getting email again. > >Sorry for the inconvenience. > >Margaret Olson >list manager

    08/17/2003 04:12:08
    1. [S-misc] [ADMIN-1] This SURNAMES-*@rootsweb.com mailing list
    2. Margaret Olson
    3. This message is the first step in bringing the following mailing lists and newsgroups back to life. Do not expect it to happen immediately, but before it does, the subscriber address lists need a major cleanup. ============================================================= NOTICE NOTICE NOTICE NOTICE NOTICE NOTICE NOTICE ============================================================= SURNAMES-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.global) SURNAMES-BRITAIN-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.britain) SURNAMES-CANADA-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.canada) SURNAMES-GERMAN-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.german) SURNAMES-IRELAND-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.ireland) SURNAMES-USA-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.usa) SURNAMES-MISC-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.misc) ============================================================= The above mailing lists and their associated Usenet newsgroups have had no messages since June 22, 2000. At that time software problems with the automoderator caused RootsWeb to shut down that software. You have received no messages from either the mailing lists or the newsgroups since then. In the past three years many people have remained subscribed to these mailing lists, and many more subscribed email addresses have become invalid for one reason or another. I will be sending out a series of messages over the next 3 or 4 days in an attempt to clear out non-working addresses and to inform you of the status of the lists. Margaret Olson list manager of all 7 connected SURNAMES-* lists

    08/16/2003 07:52:26
    1. GRISENTHWAITE; AUS>CAN>ENG>; 1600-1998
    2. Lisbeth Grisenthwaite
    3. GRISENTHWAITE; AUS>CAN>ENG>; 1600-1998 GRISENTHWAITE; AUS>CAN>ENG; 1600-1998 I am attempting to put the Grisenthwaite family tree together. If anyone has any information on the surname or knows any Grisenthwaites, please email me at L.Grisenthwaite@pophost.eunet.be Thanks, Lisbeth Grisenthwaite Brussels, Belgium.

    05/18/1998 06:51:20
    1. THOW; AUS>CAN>USA; 1600-1998
    2. Phillip Thow
    3. THOW; AUS>CAN>USA; 1600-1998 I am attempting to put the Thow family tree together. If anyone has any information on the surname or knows any Thows, please email me at pbthow@intap.net. Thanks, Phillip Thow USA

    05/17/1998 02:03:38
    1. VANWOERKOM Gerrit; NLD>USA; 1869
    2. hbragt
    3. VANWOERKOM Gerrit; NLD>USA; 1869 In 1869 Gerrit Arien van Woerkom with his wife Jenneke Bragt and his four children Arien, Hendrik, Pieter and Hendrika Geertruida came from Zuilichem (The Netherlands) to Grandhaven USA. (not New Haven as I first mentioned, sorry about that) About twenty years ago, a vicar named Verduin/Verduyn from the USA visited the Netherlands. During that period he visited the bakery "Bragt" inKerkwijk, (the Netherlands). Mr. Verduin told that his (grand?)mother was named Jenneke Bragt. I am looking for information about Mr. Verduin or his (grand)motherJenneke Bragt to find out if there is any connection with my ancestors. Any help would be appreciated! Henk Bragt, Bruchem, Holland hbragt@tref.nl

    05/17/1998 01:11:04
    1. Re: VANWOERKOM Gerrit; NLD>USA; 1869
    2. hbragt
    3. Re: VANWOERKOM Gerrit; NLD>USA; 1869 The place "New Haven" is not correct, the right name is "grand haven" Sorry, Henk Bragt "hbragt" <hbragt@tref.nl>

    05/17/1998 06:21:03
    1. COATS / NISBET; Blantyre,LKS,SCT>NZL; 1800-1890
    2. jan paterson
    3. COATS / NISBET; Blantyre,LKS,SCT>NZL; 1800-1890 Seeking info on; James COATS,born 30 Oct 1804,Blantyre,LKS,SCT,married Helen NISBET on 31 Jan 1829,Blantyre,LKS,SCT, came to New Zealand 1863 on "Sir William Eyre". Children; Thomas b abt 1831 James b abt 1834 William b 6 Oct 1838 Mary b abt 1839 John b abt 1840 Graham Paterson Dunedin,New Zealand jan paterson <grapa@es.co.nz>

    05/16/1998 11:44:13
    1. FILL / VANT; Otterden KEN,ENG > Wellington NZL; 1804-
    2. inglis
    3. FILL / VANT; Otterden KEN,ENG > Wellington NZL; 1804- Kia Ora Does anyone have information on this family? Robert FILL b c 1804 m 13 Oct 1829 Otterden Kent, Elizabeth VANT Arrived New Zealand 1841 on Lady Nugent Children William, Francis, Sarah Ann, Eleanor, John, Alfred and Matilda Allana Inglis Wairakei Blue skies with fluffy white clouds inglis.n.a@xtra.co.nz

    05/16/1998 11:44:11
    1. COATS / MASTERTON; LKS,SCT>NZL; 1838-1914
    2. jan paterson
    3. COATS / MASTERTON; LKS,SCT>NZL; 1838-1914 Seeking info on; William COATS born Uddington,Blantyre,LKS,SCT who married Jane MASTERTON on 26 Nov 1862 at Glasgow,LKS,SCT. Came to New Zealand Jul 1863 on "Sir William Eyre". Graham Paterson Dunedin,New Zealand jan paterson <grapa@es.co.nz>

    05/16/1998 11:44:08
    1. WHITTAKER; LAN,ENG > Timaru NZL; 1850-
    2. inglis
    3. WHITTAKER; LAN,ENG > Timaru NZL; 1850- WHITTAKER Thomas WHITTAKER m 15 FEb 1876 Ellen OILE or HOYLE Manchester Cathedral Lots of possible children on IGI. John and Charles definitely theirs. They went to NZ on the Victory, arriving Timaru 13 Oct 1863, with Henry and James WHITTAKER whose parents are James WHITTAKER and Alice COLLINGE. Family stories said that the 4 were brothers but can't be. Henry and John ran a bootmakers shop in Timaru. James settled at Geraldine and Charles in Christchurch. John b c 1837 Burnley LAN ENG m Oct 1858 Mary Ann INGHAM d 11 Mar 1907 Timaru NZ 11 or 12 chn Charles chr 17 Apr 1833 Burnley poss m Kizia or Kesiae d 16 Sept 1891 Christchurch 4 known chn Some of Thomas and Ellen's children may have been rechristened at the Manchester Cathedral when they were older. Allana Inglis inglis.n.a@xtra.co.nz

    05/16/1998 10:20:29
    1. PORTER / GAPES; ESS,ENG > Warrnambool VIC,AUS; 1830-
    2. inglis
    3. PORTER / GAPES; ESS,ENG > Warrnambool VIC,AUS; 1830- PORTER Sarah and Ann PORTER went to Australia in 1855 on the Constance. They arrived at Portland, Victoria. They married brothers Richard and John GAPES who were from the same village in Essex, England. Richard and John had arrived in Sydney, AUS in 1854 on the Gilmore and then travelled overland to Warrnambool, Victoria. According to a write up in the Koroit Senntinel of John and Ann's Radium (70) wedding anniversary and later John's obit. There may have been a brother of Sarah and Ann's marry a sister of Richard and John. Allana Inglis inglis.n.a@xtra.co.nz

    05/16/1998 10:20:21
    1. TAYLOR; ENG > Nelson NZL; 1807-
    2. inglis
    3. TAYLOR; ENG > Nelson NZL; 1807- TAYLOR William TAYLOR b c 1807 m c 1830 Sarah MORRIS Known children Sarah, George, William F, Mary Jane, Elixabeth, Mary Ann, male. d 31 Jan 1867 They lived in Nelson MI William Taylor died 31 Jan 1867 aged 60 years and who belonged to the NZ Company in England and he was the earliest settler in this colony. Arrived in the ship Whitby in the year 1841. This stone erected by his affectionate son William Taylor. Allana Inglis inglis.n.a@xtra.co.nz

    05/16/1998 10:19:59