Re: MCCARTIN,John Patrick; IRL>CO,USA; c.1880-1900 EZ DUFF TT wrote: > > MCCARTIN,John Patrick; IRL>CO,USA; c.1880-1900 > Couldn't find McCartin in all of the surname books I have, did find McCartan. According to Robert Bell's book - THE BOOK OF SCOTS-IRISH MacCartan - Apart from a few MacCartans in Dublin and Connacht, this is an exclusively Ulster name, found mainly in its homeland Co. Down and Co. Armagh. The name was origianlly in Gaelic MacArtain, "son of Artan', a dininutive or pet frorm of Art. The MacCartans take their name from their ancestor Artan, a great grandson of Mongan MacGuinesss of Iveagh in co. Down. Though normally subordinate to the MacGuinessess, the MacCartans were, for a short period in the mid 14th century, lords of Iveagh. Generally, however, they were chiefs of Kinelarty, a district, now a barony in central Down, and were tributaries to the O'Neills. At the beginning of the 20th cent. Mac Cartney was being used interchangeably with MacCartan in Co. Down, around Newry and Clough, and with MacCarten around Moira. It's important to remember how we may think our ancestors name was spelled, in Ireland it could be different, or one of many variations. I have the Griffith Valuation for one barony in County Down. Barny of Iveah Upper, Upper Half, Union of Newry and the various parishes and townlands. In this one barony found a few variations of the spelling McCartin. Michael McCarten - Parish of Clonallan, Townland of Clontafleece Michael McCarten - " " " " Aghavilly Patrick McCarten " " " Lurgancanty John McCarten " " Mary McCarton " Carrickcrossan Michael McCarton " " Mary McCarton " Daniel McCarton " Anthony McCarton " " The Griffith Valuation was taken in the mid 1850's, so the names my be of the parents or grandparents generation. Good luck, Margaret (Mairead) Nollaigh Shona Duit (Merry Christmas) conaught@ix.netcom.com