This probably will be of no assistance, but you never know. I too, am searching for Allen. I have nothing to work with for dates, etc. after the marriage of Frank and Jennie Allen. This is what I do have, should you be interested. Good Luck to you! (This is also previously posted in the group.) ALLEN,Frank; IRL; 1800? Looking for information on the surname Allen. Please feel free to email me at [email protected] Thank you in advance. ALLEN; Frank: lived in the Governeuer and Natural Dam NY area in the last years of his life. We have no dates for Greatgrandfather Allen, and no detailed information. Our information stops at the marriage of Frank Allen to Jennie Brogan Allen (her second marriage?). Ada Mae Allen: Parents = Frank Allen and Jennie Brogan Allen of Natural Dam, NY area. (St. Lawrence County, NY?) Ada Mae was born November 11, 1895. Death 09/??/1975 in Watertown, NY. Buried Rural Cemetary, Adams, NY. Siblings of Ada Mae Allen = James Allen Florence Allen Vert Francis Allen Greenly/Greenley married Carl Greenly/Greenley. Resided in Adams, NY. There may also be some step-siblings that we are unaware of. Ada Mae married Felix Michael Ring. Married: November 26?, 1912 in either Natural Dam, NY or Governeuer, NY by Rev. F.J. Brown. Surname: Ring - used in the United States. Is possibly German/Polish/Austrian. Grandfather, Felix Michael Ring was either born in the US or came to the US from one of the above countries. Possible original German surnames : Ringski, Ringus, Von Ring, Ringer, Baron Von Ring? Paternal great or great-great grandfather was supposedly a distinguished member of the German military. May have been called Baron Ring, Baron Von Ring, et el. My paternal grandfather had several brothers, and one sister. One brother, John, was a professional boxer. My Paternal Grandfather = Felix Michael Ring Born: November 19, 1893. Location currently unknow. Death: February, 1983 in Adams, NY. Burial: Rural Cemetary - Adams, NY. Felix Michael Ring was a superintendent for the A&P Grocery chain in the following locations: Pittsburg, PA, Watertown, Syracuse, and Auburn, NY. Left the A&P Company in aprox.1938 to purchase the Flansburg store in Adams, NY. Named the new business Ring's 5&10, which was located at 1 North Main Street, Adams, NY until the 1980's. Felix Michael and Ada Mae Allen had two sons: Fred Ring: Born June 7, 1918. Died February, 1989 in Watertown/Adams, NY Alan Carl Ring: Born May 16, 1925. My father, who currently resides with his wife Janet Ann West-Ring in Flagler Beach, FL USA They have two children Thomas Alan Ring: 07/10/53 (divorced), who has a daughter Marisa Evelyn Ring 12/16/77 Nancy Ann Ring Kendrick 01/22/57 Married, no children. Paul J. Allen wrote: > Re: ALLEN; GBR; 1840-1950 > > >Hi > > > >I am tracing my family tree of ALLEN and like most at one point in their > >researches have hit a problem that at the moment seems insurmountable. > >Therefore if anyone could help I would be most grateful. > > > >A gggrandfather of mine Frederick ALLEN married Harriet NEEDHAM in 1879 at > >Clapham, London. Father's name George ALLEN ( deceased at the time and a > >gentleman ). Frederick was 30 years old. Thus would have been born around > >1849. This year is roughly confirmed in the 1881 and 1891 Censuses, where > >he states in both that he was born in Guildford, Surrey. > > > >I have checked the Births for this area and only 1 appears between 1845 - > >1854. This birth certificate was applied for but sadly this isn't my > >Frederick ALLEN. I have investigated the censuses for Guildford of 1851, > and > >this bogus Frederick appears with this different ALLEN family who father's > >name is William. > > > >This is my stumbling block that I can't seem to get over. When he died in > >1931 aged 81, his birth year is once again suggested around the 1850s. Can > >anyone help ? Much appreciated if you can, if only for advice. Cheers > > > >Other British families researching : > > > >HODGKINS - LODDER - BRANN - NEEDHAM - MORTIMER - and > >HARTE (Ireland) > > > >- > > > > > > "Paul J. Allen" <[email protected]>