This message is 10th and LAST of a series designed to clean up the subscriber list for this list. I hope that the list and newsgroup will be fixed soon. I realize I said the last message would come on Saturday. For you Digest recipients and those living in much of the world east of where I live, it may be Sunday. Sorry! Thanks for your patience. You who have been getting the messages are still subscribed. The people who have not gotten the messages because their email addresses have changed are no longer subscribed, or will be unsubscribed over the next few days. I still have work to do. I hope to be back before long with news of the revival of the groups. Thanks again for understanding. Margaret ============================================================= Watch for the return of the newsgroups and mailing lists ============================================================= SURNAMES-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.global) SURNAMES-BRITAIN-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.britain) SURNAMES-CANADA-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.canada) SURNAMES-GERMAN-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.german) SURNAMES-IRELAND-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.ireland) SURNAMES-USA-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.usa) SURNAMES-MISC-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.misc) ============================================================= Margaret Olson list manager

This message is ninth of a series designed to clean up the subscriber list for this list. There will be one additional message in about 12 hours and then I'll leave you alone. Thanks for your patience. ============================================================= NOTICE NOTICE NOTICE NOTICE NOTICE NOTICE NOTICE ============================================================= SURNAMES-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.global) SURNAMES-BRITAIN-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.britain) SURNAMES-CANADA-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.canada) SURNAMES-GERMAN-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.german) SURNAMES-IRELAND-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.ireland) SURNAMES-USA-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.usa) SURNAMES-MISC-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.misc) ============================================================= The reason for these newsgroups is to allow posting newsgroup queries about surnames to a single place, keeping them out of the topic-oriented newsgroups. They are set up to get messages to sub-lists applying to specific countries or regions. The global list has all messages, but the others are region-specific. To learn about the formatting requirements for subject lines, see: http://www.rootsweb.com/~surnames/ These requirements may be amended as we bring back the newsgroups. We also plan to have a web form for sending messages, a form which will check the formatting and suggest corrections. Margaret Olson list manager

This message is eigth of a series designed to clean up the subscriber list for this list. It is among the first steps in bringing the following mailing lists and newsgroups back to life. Don't expect messages for awhile, and don't try to send messages yet. We will tell you when you can do that. ============================================================= NOTICE NOTICE NOTICE NOTICE NOTICE NOTICE NOTICE ============================================================= SURNAMES-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.global) SURNAMES-BRITAIN-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.britain) SURNAMES-CANADA-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.canada) SURNAMES-GERMAN-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.german) SURNAMES-IRELAND-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.ireland) SURNAMES-USA-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.usa) SURNAMES-MISC-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.misc) ============================================================= Currently these messages are going only to mailing list subscribers because the automoderation routine is not yet in place. Once the mailing lists are again connected to the newsgroups, I will remove the [S-brit] or [S-global] or other list identifiers from the subject lines. I will also remove the informational taglines at the ends of the messages which instruct on how to unsubscribe. I realize that many mailing list readers like to have the list identifier in the subject line as a way to sort messages, but these lists have gateways to Usenet newsgroups, and there are almost certainly many more people reading the messages on the newsgroup side of the gateways than are getting them in the mailing lists, and those people would be confused and misinformed by the ID and instructions, so they will be removed. Not yet, though - they help the list manager more than they help you right now. Margaret Olson list manager

This message is seventh in a series of 12 or so messages designed to clean up the subscriber list for this list. I'll stop sending them on or before Saturday morning, August 23. ============================================================= NOTICE NOTICE NOTICE NOTICE NOTICE NOTICE NOTICE ============================================================= SURNAMES-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.global) SURNAMES-BRITAIN-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.britain) SURNAMES-CANADA-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.canada) SURNAMES-GERMAN-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.german) SURNAMES-IRELAND-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.ireland) SURNAMES-USA-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.usa) SURNAMES-MISC-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.misc) ============================================================= There were nearly 12,000 addresses subscribed to the 21 different lists. Already more than 1000 addresses have been removed, either automatically by bouncing more than three messages or because subscribers decided they didn't want to be on a list. A lot of you forgot you were even here. Many messages bounced because they are to accounts which no longer exist. After 3 bounces the mailing list software at RootsWeb automatically unsubscribes addresses, so I need to send enough messages for 3 or 4 digests to go out in order to clear out the deadwood. I've gotten a LOT of email since I started this, but better now than later when real messages start to come through. I prefer to tell people who have forgotten about the Usenet newsgroup connection now, rather than fielding questions and complaints later. Usenet is a different world which connects to a lot of people who do not subscribe to mailing lists. Back in the good old days when the lists/newsgroups started we'd get 30 or 40 messages a day - or more - to the busiest lists/newsgroups. I hope that - and more - return. We considered just emptying the subscriber lists and telling people to resubscribe later, but decided against that for assorted reasons (such is how to define "later"). Anyhow, I'll stop on Saturday (or before). It will end - I promise. Margaret Olson list manager

This message is sixth of a series designed to clean up the subscriber list for this list. It is among the first steps in bringing the following mailing lists and newsgroups back to life. ============================================================= NOTICE NOTICE NOTICE NOTICE NOTICE NOTICE NOTICE ============================================================= SURNAMES-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.global) SURNAMES-BRITAIN-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.britain) SURNAMES-CANADA-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.canada) SURNAMES-GERMAN-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.german) SURNAMES-IRELAND-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.ireland) SURNAMES-USA-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.usa) SURNAMES-MISC-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.misc) ============================================================= There are many resources at RootsWeb and elsewhere where you can exchange information and leave queries about the surnames you are researching. CyndisList.com has an exhaustive list. For mailing lists, see lists.rootsweb.com For message boards, see boards.rootsweb.com For the RootsWeb Surname List see rsl.rootsweb.com Also, worldconnect.rootsweb.com and the Ancestral File at familysearch.org and other links you can find at CyndisList have user submitted GEDCOMs which can give you contact names for others researching the same names. Margaret list manager SURNAMES-admin@rootsweb.com

This message is one of a series designed to clean up the subscriber list for this list. It is among the first steps in bringing the following mailing lists and newsgroups back to life. Don't expect messages for awhile, and don't try to send messages yet. We will tell you when you can do that. ============================================================= NOTICE NOTICE NOTICE NOTICE NOTICE NOTICE NOTICE ============================================================= SURNAMES-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.global) SURNAMES-BRITAIN-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.britain) SURNAMES-CANADA-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.canada) SURNAMES-GERMAN-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.german) SURNAMES-IRELAND-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.ireland) SURNAMES-USA-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.usa) SURNAMES-MISC-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.misc) ============================================================= SURNAMES-L/soc.genealogy.surnames.global is an "umbrella" list for SURNAMES-BRITAIN SURNAMES-IRELAND SURNAMES-GERMAN SURNAMES-CANADA SURNAMES-USA SURNAMES-MISC Any message posted to one of those mailing lists will also be sent to SURNAMES-L, and messages sent to SURNAMES-L will be sent to any of the above lists which are mentioned in the places field of the subject line of your message. Margaret list manager SURNAMES-admin@rootsweb.com

This message is fourth in a series designed to clean up the subscriber list for this list. There will be 4 or 5 more messages in the next 2 or 3 days and infrequent messages thereafter until the automoderator and (probably) web input are in place. ============================================================= NOTICE NOTICE NOTICE NOTICE NOTICE NOTICE NOTICE ============================================================= SURNAMES-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.global) SURNAMES-BRITAIN-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.britain) SURNAMES-CANADA-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.canada) SURNAMES-GERMAN-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.german) SURNAMES-IRELAND-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.ireland) SURNAMES-USA-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.usa) SURNAMES-MISC-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.misc) ============================================================= SURNAMES-* are moderated mailing lists. They are mirrors of the moderated Usenet newsgroups listed above. In order to have a message accepted, the subject line must conform to a set of rules designed to make the subject lines informative and allow the messages to be sent to the correct newsgroup according to the places mentioned in the places field. See http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~socgen/ Margaret list manager SURNAMES-admin@rootsweb.com This message is among the first steps in bringing the mailing lists and newsgroups back to life. Don't try to post messages yet. We will tell you when you can do that.

This message is third in a series designed to clean up the subscriber list for this list. It is among the first steps in bringing the following mailing lists and newsgroups back to life. Don't expect messages for awhile, and don't try to send messages yet. We will tell you when you can do that. ============================================================= NOTICE NOTICE NOTICE NOTICE NOTICE NOTICE NOTICE ============================================================= SURNAMES-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.global) SURNAMES-BRITAIN-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.britain) SURNAMES-CANADA-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.canada) SURNAMES-GERMAN-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.german) SURNAMES-IRELAND-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.ireland) SURNAMES-USA-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.usa) SURNAMES-MISC-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.misc) ============================================================= If you want to remain subscribed, you need do nothing except to wait for messages to come in. Please DO NOT try to send messages to the list yet. They won't go anywhere - yet. If you want to unsubscribe, go ahead and do that. You won't miss anything in the short run and will avoid a few [ADMIN] messages. Your email came to you from one of 21 lists. We have -L (individual email), -I (index), and -D (digest) lists for each of the mailing lists. There were/are -M lists formed originally, but these were made equivalent to the -L lists to conform to other RootsWeb list names. Margaret list manager SURNAMES-admin@rootsweb.com

This message is second of a series designed to clean up the subscriber list for this list. It is among the first steps in bringing the following mailing lists and newsgroups back to life. Don't expect messages for awhile, and don't try to send messages yet. We will tell you when you can do that. ============================================================= NOTICE NOTICE NOTICE NOTICE NOTICE NOTICE NOTICE ============================================================= SURNAMES-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.global) SURNAMES-BRITAIN-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.britain) SURNAMES-CANADA-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.canada) SURNAMES-GERMAN-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.german) SURNAMES-IRELAND-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.ireland) SURNAMES-USA-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.usa) SURNAMES-MISC-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.misc) ============================================================= We have been saying to people who post messages or who ask about the silence of these lists: >"You will receive no messages until the problem is resolved >and will not be able to post. We apologize for the problem >and hope to have messages flowing at some point. This list >had high traffic in the past, and we'd like to see it >revived soon. > >Email SURNAMES-admin@rootsweb.com if you have questions. >============================================================= > >Once the messages resume, you will need to know about the >formatting requirements for the subject lines of messages. >SURNAMES-L is a moderated mailing list, which means >that every message submitted must be `approved' before it can >be broadcast to mailing list subscribers. There are some >very specific formatting requirements that each message must >pass in order to be approved. A description can be found on >the Web at ><http://www.rootsweb.com/~surnames/introduction.html>. > >============================================================= > >You are already subscribed. You'll know it when the messages >return when you start getting email again. > >Sorry for the inconvenience. > >Margaret Olson >list manager

This message is the first step in bringing the following mailing lists and newsgroups back to life. Do not expect it to happen immediately, but before it does, the subscriber address lists need a major cleanup. ============================================================= NOTICE NOTICE NOTICE NOTICE NOTICE NOTICE NOTICE ============================================================= SURNAMES-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.global) SURNAMES-BRITAIN-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.britain) SURNAMES-CANADA-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.canada) SURNAMES-GERMAN-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.german) SURNAMES-IRELAND-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.ireland) SURNAMES-USA-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.usa) SURNAMES-MISC-L (soc.genealogy.surnames.misc) ============================================================= The above mailing lists and their associated Usenet newsgroups have had no messages since June 22, 2000. At that time software problems with the automoderator caused RootsWeb to shut down that software. You have received no messages from either the mailing lists or the newsgroups since then. In the past three years many people have remained subscribed to these mailing lists, and many more subscribed email addresses have become invalid for one reason or another. I will be sending out a series of messages over the next 3 or 4 days in an attempt to clear out non-working addresses and to inform you of the status of the lists. Margaret Olson list manager of all 7 connected SURNAMES-* lists

THOW; SCT; 1600-1998 I am attempting to put the Thow family tree together. If anyone has any information on the surname or knows any Thows, please email me at pbthow@intap.net. Thanks, Phillip Thow USA

DART, Elizabeth; DEV,ENG; 1766-1818 Searching for positive identification of Elizabeth DART who married Silvanus WREFORD, 18 Jun 1786 in West Alvington, Devon, England West Alvington is some distance south of Nymet Tracy (or Bow), where Silvanus was a fairly large property owner. There are no Dart families recorded in West Alvington. At the time of there marriage, Elizabeth was pregnant, their daughter Elizabeth was baptized 30 Aug 1786 in Bow, just 2 months after their marriage. Not only that, but Silvanus Dart alias Wreford was the principal heir of Silvanus who died in 1818 and is assumed to be their older child. Eight other children were born, most baptized in Bow, including Susannah Wreford, my great great grandmother. Elizabeth was living in 1818. There was an Elizabeth Dart, baptized 9 Mar 1766 in Coldridge, daughter of Philip Dart and Elizabeth Bourn. Evidence for or against this Elizabeth being the wife of Silvanus Wreford is desired. Thank you, Carl Dunn email: cdunn3@aol.com

CORADINE; ENG > SCT; 1800- Kia Ora James CORADINE married Martha RUDGE children Martha William ( REV) b c 1849 Coatbridge SCT m/1 Agnes REID m/2 1888 Mary Berriman Kathleen Annie Hilda Mary William Alexander b 1881 Banff Agnes Margaret b 1883 York m Ernest John OSBORNE no issue Douglas Henry b 1900 Norman b 1902 Worcester m Maisie no issue Elizabeth Jane b 26 jan 1857 New Wortley, York m 15 Feb 1876 Wishaw, Lanark, sct; William MOORE Maria Uniti died 9 months Edith b 1876 Coatbridge m William Henry WHITTAKER Henry b 1882 Timaru NZ James Moore b 5 Apr 1861 Wednesbury Staffordshire m 3 Apr 1885 Timaru NZ Sarah Ann WHITTAKER (sister of William Henry) James mayor of Masterton NZ and partner in Coradine and Whittaker who built many of Masterton's buildings. d 9 July 1933 Masterton John b 1885 Timaru; d 1917 France James Ingham b 1885 Timaru; m 1908 Christchurch NZ Elizabeth Mary BARNETT James and Elizabeth lived mainly in Masterton Allana Inglis inglis.n.a@xtra.co.nz

BRAZIER / COX; ENG; 1866 Looking for information on George Brazier and Harriet Cox, married in the parish of Clapham, in the county of Surrey, on 21 May 1866. qrat <qrat@icnetco.com>

JESSOP; LIN,ENG; 1550-1900 Looking for anyone with connections to, or information about the Jessop families that lived primarily in Rauceby and Skillington from the late 1500's to the 1800's. Thank you. genealogy@v-wave.com Donald & Janice Searching for: JESSOP, SANDERS, CROUCHER, BOND, GOODFELLOW, STABLES, LEES, STEWART

FELL; WRY,ENG; 1800-1900 On behalf of a correspondent, I'd be pleased to hear from anyone who has any information on this surname in WRY during the C19th Names so far identified are ISAAC and ABRAHAM and (earlier) JOSEPH (all very biblical!) Thanks -- Keith Pitchforth Keith@Harbottle.demon.co.uk

GREEN, Rama; STS,ENG; 1850-1909 Rama (or Ramah) GREEN married Maria PRITCHARD before 1874. Children: Josiah Charles Ara Green, Frederick, Florence, Grace, Annie Effie, Lily, George, Alfred, Frank. Rama may have been a foundling, even though I have a birth record listing his parents as Sarah CARTER, and Daniel GREEN. It has always been thought that he was taken in by a family by the name of GREEN. Does anyone have access to information on searching foundlings? Nancy GREEN Please respond to nancurry @juno.com or nancurry@aol.com.

PRITCHARD, George; STS,ENG; 1840-1880 George Pritchard married Ann from West Bromwich. Moved to Darlaston; children: Charles, Annie, Maria, George, Lucy, Alfred. Please reply to nancurry@juno.com or nancurry@aol.com. Thanks for any information. Nancy

TRIBE; ENG; c.1810 Any info. please on Joseph Tribes. I had 2 in my 'family' back in the early 1800's. One was born c.1810 in Norwood, London and the other approx. 20 years later (I think) in Hertfordshire. Thankyou David Tribe (in England) moomail@aol.com (MooMail)

DURANT, Susannah; Clannaborough, DEV,ENG; 1697-1746 Searching for parents of Susannah Durant, married John WREFORD, 6 May 1697, Clannaborough, Devon she was buried 27 Apr 1746 in Clannaborough Children (WREFORD ) John-William-Samuel-Susannah-Roger-Mary-Matthew. Carl Dunn email: cdunn3@aol.com