Ron, I do agee with your views. And I do agree. But your note about old computers reminded me that I should thank you for having the list..... And a hugh thank you for all the things I have learned just reading the queries each day. And a Gigantic thank you because three days ago because of your list I found cousins I thought were gone forever, not knowing where to go, and suddenly because I ask about an ancestor........here they are. And I owe it all to you. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. Phyllis PJShane299@aol.com