Thanks, Barbara. Much appreciated, Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: LaChance Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 7:56 AM To: SURNAME-ORIGINS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SURNAME-ORIGINS] VAN METER VAN METER (Du) One who came from Meteren, the name of places in Holland and France. ---Source: New Dictionary of American Family Names by Elsdon C. Smith. Barbara GARY RADCLIFFE wrote: >VAN METER - Seeking origin and meaning. (Dutch, of course.) > >Gary Radcliffe >West Covina, CA > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hello, VAN METER - person from a town/village/place called Meter or Meteren, e.g. Meteren north of 's-Hertogenbosch/North Brabant (Netherlands) or Meteren, west of Lille in French Flanders. Regards, Ingolf Vogel ----- Original Message ----- From: "GARY RADCLIFFE" <glradcliffe@msn.com> To: <SURNAME-ORIGINS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 8:54 AM Subject: [SURNAME-ORIGINS] VAN METER > VAN METER - Seeking origin and meaning. (Dutch, of course.) > > Gary Radcliffe > West Covina, CA

VAN METER (Du) One who came from Meteren, the name of places in Holland and France. ---Source: New Dictionary of American Family Names by Elsdon C. Smith. Barbara GARY RADCLIFFE wrote: >VAN METER - Seeking origin and meaning. (Dutch, of course.) > >Gary Radcliffe >West Covina, CA > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > >

VAN METER - Seeking origin and meaning. (Dutch, of course.) Gary Radcliffe West Covina, CA

Further to my earlier posting on the LAYT name (and all its variations),I have received some additional information which may have some bearing on my original enquiry. In early history the County of Kent,England,was divided up into sub divisions called Lathes,these were further subdivided into Hundreds (100 Families,100 Fighting men,or a 100 hides). The people who were Serfs? who worked in these Lathes were called LAITs. If this is true then the LAYT Family were in Kent then Gloucester,Suffolk ,Norfolk and finally in Yorkshire. Other indications are that the Family came originally from Eastern Europe,Estonia ? and moved into England as Jutes. Does anybody have any info as to whether this true ? Regards John Melbourne,AUS.

The question was posed: > Further to my earlier posting on the LAYT name (and all its variations),I > have received some additional information which may have some bearing on my > > original enquiry. > In early history the County of Kent,England,was divided up into sub > divisions called Lathes,these were further subdivided into Hundreds (100 > Families,100 Fighting men,or a 100 hides). > The people who were Serfs? who worked in these Lathes were called LAITs. > If this is true then the LAYT Family were in Kent then Gloucester,Suffolk > ,Norfolk and finally in Yorkshire. > Other indications are that the Family came originally from Eastern > Europe,Estonia ? and moved into England as Jutes. > Does anybody have any info as to whether this true ? ======================================== There is an article online that may interest you. Go to www.google.com and enter "estonian claims to england" Surprising piece of knowledge. Gary Radcliffe

LATHOM, LATHAM - Two more English names meaning "at the barns" and found in Yorks. and Lancashire. Gary Radcliffe

In Cornwall a common surname is LAITY, a variant (although one I have never seen) is LAIT. It is from Cornish leth-ty meaning milk house or a dairy. It is a name found in Cornwall as far back as 1303. It is also a place-name in 7 parishes in Cornwall. This may be, and in all probability is, an entirely different surname, from LAYT. Sources: Patronymica Cornu-Britannica by Richard Stephen Charnock copyright 1870 Cornish Names by T. F. G. Dexter copyright 1926 A Handbook of Cornish Surnames by G. Pawley White copyright 1972 Gerlyver Sawsnek-Kenowek gans Nicholas Williams copyright 2000 Jim Thompson Belerion Books > Further to my earlier posting on the LAYT name (and all its variations),I > have received some additional information which may have some bearing on my > > original enquiry. > In early history the County of Kent,England,was divided up into sub > divisions called Lathes,these were further subdivided into Hundreds (100 > Families,100 Fighting men,or a 100 hides). > The people who were Serfs? who worked in these Lathes were called LAITs. > If this is true then the LAYT Family were in Kent then Gloucester,Suffolk > ,Norfolk and finally in Yorkshire. > Other indications are that the Family came originally from Eastern > Europe,Estonia ? and moved into England as Jutes. > Does anybody have any info as to whether this true ?

Thanks to your hint I checked my book, "A Dictionary of English and Welsh Surnames" by Charles Wareing Bardsley and found LAIT, LAYT, & LAIGHT. They all mean "at the lathe" or "barn". Two other apparent variations are LADE and LEATHES. Unfortunately my source does not give locales for the name. Barbara Kernow62@aol.com wrote: >In Cornwall a common surname is LAITY, a variant (although one I have never >seen) is LAIT. > >It is from Cornish leth-ty meaning milk house or a dairy. It is a name found >in Cornwall as far back as 1303. It is also a place-name in 7 parishes in >Cornwall. > >This may be, and in all probability is, an entirely different surname, from >LAYT. > >Sources: >Patronymica Cornu-Britannica by Richard Stephen Charnock copyright 1870 >Cornish Names by T. F. G. Dexter copyright 1926 >A Handbook of Cornish Surnames by G. Pawley White copyright 1972 >Gerlyver Sawsnek-Kenowek gans Nicholas Williams copyright 2000 > >Jim Thompson >Belerion Books > > > > > >>Further to my earlier posting on the LAYT name (and all its variations),I >>have received some additional information which may have some bearing on my >> >>original enquiry. >>In early history the County of Kent,England,was divided up into sub >>divisions called Lathes,these were further subdivided into Hundreds (100 >>Families,100 Fighting men,or a 100 hides). >>The people who were Serfs? who worked in these Lathes were called LAITs. >>If this is true then the LAYT Family were in Kent then Gloucester,Suffolk >>,Norfolk and finally in Yorkshire. >>Other indications are that the Family came originally from Eastern >>Europe,Estonia ? and moved into England as Jutes. >>Does anybody have any info as to whether this true ? >> >> > > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > >

Searching origin and earliest location of LAYT Surname. Regards John Melbourne,AUS.

Searching origin and earliest location of LANGWORTHY Surname. Regards John Melbourne.AUS

LANGWORTH and LANGWORTHY - (English). "One who lived at the long enclosure or estate." Some Langworths were doubtless originally Langwath or Langwith. Gary Radcliffe West Covina, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: John Rice Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 6:43 PM To: SURNAME-ORIGINS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SURNAME-ORIGINS] LANGWORTHY Searching origin and earliest location of LANGWORTHY Surname. Regards John Melbourne.AUS ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

MALORET - could not find as given but did find: \ MALLORY (English [Norman]) A nickname for an unfortunate person from the Old French "maloret", meaning ill-omened. Since the origins of the word are French I would think it probable you are correct in assuming your ancestor was from France. HUET (French) Diminutive of "HUGH". ---Source: A Dictionary of Surnames by Patrick Hanks and Flavia Hodges. Barbara brianmalor@tiscali.co.uk wrote: >I am researching my French ancestry and am seeking information re my great-grandfather, >ISIDORE HECTOR MALORET, and my grandmother, MARIE HUET. > >Isidore was born somewhere in France in 1831 and Marie, I believe, was born >in Paris in 1861. > >Could someone tell me the origins of both of these surnames and also where >Isidore may have been born. > >Many thanks > >Brian Maloret >Manchester >England > > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > >

I am researching my French ancestry and am seeking information re my great-grandfather, ISIDORE HECTOR MALORET, and my grandmother, MARIE HUET. Isidore was born somewhere in France in 1831 and Marie, I believe, was born in Paris in 1861. Could someone tell me the origins of both of these surnames and also where Isidore may have been born. Many thanks Brian Maloret Manchester England

Hi Jim, It would probably have to be a late introduction to Isle of Man. Thanks for the Cornwall mention. This gives me a chance to correct the song from "The Quiet Man." It was "Isle of Inisfree" rather than "Carrickfergus." Gary Radcliffe West Covina, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: Kernow62@aol.com Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 4:24 AM To: SURNAME-ORIGINS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SURNAME-ORIGINS] BEANLAND, MEDFORTH, WAITES Gary, Also in another Celtic country, Cornwall. CARRACK, CARRICK carrek, rocky mass It is very unusual that a name is found in all these languages, this means the root word must be very old indeed, dating to before the split between the Goidelic & Brythonic forms of the language(s). I would indeed be surprised if the name exists or existed in Manx Gaelic as well. Jim Thompson > CARRICK - (Celtic) A crag, rock or headland. This word is also found in > Gaelic, Irish and Welsh. > I'm reminded of the Irish song that begins "I wish I was in > Carrickfergus....." I think it's from the > movie "The Quiet Man." ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Barbara and Gary and all, Thank you so much for the lookups. You might guess that I dabble in genealogy with my long list of surnames at the end of my message. I wasn't expecting a lookup for all of them! All the English names are from my ancestors in Yorkshire, where I was born, though we emigrated to the States when I was seven months old. I had heard that MEDFORTH was an East Yorkshire name, and I guess your information bears that up. Also of great interest to me was your mention of the name BRANTON as having to do with a raven, because that part of Yorkshire is located on the Holderness Peninsula on the North Sea, once known as the German Sea before the Great War. The coast has been eroding away since ancient times (there is a site that shows how much has gone since the Romans -- see site below) and many of the towns that were once there are now IN the sea. I counted 31 villages lost, on the map. Many of the little churches with very very old headstones have been falling away, lost forever, and there are stories told in the area that at certain times, people have heard the bells of the submerged churches ringing under the water. Two of the towns in that place were called Ravenspurn and Ravenser Odd, and are now gone, washed away. Lots of Brantons there -- so I guess there must have been ravens. <A HREF="http://online.stcharles.ac.uk/courses/geog_leis/geography/alevel/coastal/CoastalErosion.pdf"> http://online.stcharles.ac.uk/courses/geog_leis/geography/alevel/coastal/Coasta lErosion.pdf</A> Do you think I should get hold of the director, Cameron, to do a special on the lost towns of East Yorkshire ;>) ? Might be fascinating! I just saw on television the other night a special on the chariot and woman of this same part of Yorkshire, who were found buried in ceremonial style -- she with her chariot buried on top of her, and I found it the most extraordinary story. She predates Bodacea, who fought the Roman in her chariot, by about two hundred years, and she was Celtic -- it was at Wetwang that all this was discovered. It was such a wonderful show. They analyzed all the parts of the chariot, and then went about reconstructing it, bringing into the project a specialist in historic metalwork from Wales, a specialist in knots from another part of England, and a master wheelwright who built the wheels of the chariot in the same way the people of her time would have built them. It was a superbly made program. What an undertaking. And speaking of name origins, so many of the town of this area were Viking in origin: Cottingham (the home of Cotta's people -- Cotta was a Viking chief), York, all the villages ending in "by". Thank you for letting me run on. I hope I haven't strayed off topic. As the list doesn't generate a lot of mail, I thought it would be all right and of interest. I really appreciate the information posted and thank you again. You are wonderful! Kindest regards, Brigitte Begue Hartke in sunny, snowy Clifton, Virginia In Yorkshire, England: CARRICK - Easington, Aldbrough, East Riding (may have been CARROTT in 1600s) CASTLE - Owthorne, East Riding MEDFORTH - Kilnsea STAPLES - Out Newton, Easington BRIDE - Kilnsea BARNES - Kilnsea FRANCIS - Easington BRANTON, Isabell - 1715 Easington area HARRISON, Charlotte - (1779) father was probably Charles Harrison of Kilnsea WEBSTER - back to 1702 Easington FOSTER - late 1600s Easington ROBINSON - Bridlington WAITES - Bridlington BEANLAND - around Bradford, Yorkshire to 1400s In France: BEGUE - Toulouse, France QUIRIN - Alsace-Lorraine, France STROHL - Alsace Lorraine, France LE GALL - Brittany, France Every time an old one dies, a library burns to the ground. Old African saying "A man must keep his mouth open a long time before a roast pigeon flies into it."

Gary, Also in another Celtic country, Cornwall. CARRACK, CARRICK carrek, rocky mass It is very unusual that a name is found in all these languages, this means the root word must be very old indeed, dating to before the split between the Goidelic & Brythonic forms of the language(s). I would indeed be surprised if the name exists or existed in Manx Gaelic as well. Jim Thompson > CARRICK - (Celtic) A crag, rock or headland. This word is also found in > Gaelic, Irish and Welsh. > I'm reminded of the Irish song that begins "I wish I was in > Carrickfergus....." I think it's from the > movie "The Quiet Man."

WARMUND - BTW, the Warmunds were considered to be the ancestors of the Kings of Mercia. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: GARY RADCLIFFE Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2002 9:40 PM To: SURNAME-ORIGINS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SURNAME-ORIGINS] Warman WARMAN - (English) The Anglo-Saxon Waermann meaning "true man." 2. Weir-Man - Dweller at a dam or fishing place. 3. for Warmand - true or faithful protector. There are numerous references to this name in many ancient documents. I think Chaucer mentioned at least one Warman in one of his writings. Gary Radcliffe West Covina, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2002 11:13 AM To: SURNAME-ORIGINS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SURNAME-ORIGINS] Warman Hello List I am looking for the origin of the surname WARMAN any help appreciated Brian from the UK Protected by Norton Anti-Virus 2003 http://www.symantec.com ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

CARRICK - (Celtic) A crag, rock or headland. This word is also found in Gaelic, Irish and Welsh. I'm reminded of the Irish song that begins "I wish I was in Carrickfergus....." I think it's from the movie "The Quiet Man." CASTLE - (Anglo-Latin) - One who dwelt at the castle. STAPLES - (English and Anglo-French Teutonic). All these mean one who dwelt at the pole or pillar and signified a marketplace or fair. The French etape means a storehouse. BRIDE - A modern form of Bridget, Brigitte. BARNES - From Barn meaning one who dwelt at a barn. (English) Also perhaps Bairn from Middle English Also Beorn from an old Anglo-Saxon name meaning warrior or nobleman. Scandinavian names include Bjorn meaning bear. BRANTON - A brann was a raven. Adding "ton" might make it Raven Town or Raven Place. I have no authority for this. Welsh origin probably. Gary Radcliffe West Covina, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: BrigitteBH@aol.com Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2002 7:37 AM To: SURNAME-ORIGINS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SURNAME-ORIGINS] BEANLAND, MEDFORTH, WAITES Hello all, I have these names in my family, all from Yorkshire, and am wondering about their origins and meanings. I have heard that MEDFORTH is a name peculiar to the East Yorkshire area near Hull, Patrington, and Easington on the North Sea. Any validity that the name originated there? And what of BEANLAND and WAITES? I would love to know more about the names or find some sites that can give me information. Thank you in advance for any help. Brigitte Begue Hartke In Yorkshire, England: CARRICK - Easington, Aldbrough, East Riding (may have been CARROTT in 1600s) CASTLE - Owthorne, East Riding MEDFORTH - Kilnsea STAPLES - Out Newton, Easington BRIDE - Kilnsea BARNES - Kilnsea FRANCIS - Easington BRANTON, Isabell - 1715 Easington area - a mystery HARRISON, Charlotte - (1779) another mysteryfather was possibly Charles Harrison of Kilnsea WEBSTER - back to 1702 Easington FOSTER - late 1600s Easington ROBINSON - Bridlington WAITES - Bridlington BEANLAND - Morecambe, Lancashire In France: BEGUE - Toulouse, France QUIRIN - Alsace-Lorraine, France STROHL - Alsace Lorraine, France LE GALL - Brittany, France Every time an old one dies, a library burns to the ground. Old African saying "A man must keep his mouth open a long time before a roast pigeon flies into it." ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hello List I am looking for the origin of the surname WARMAN any help appreciated Brian from the UK Protected by Norton Anti-Virus 2003 http://www.symantec.com