Go here for another theory or two on NIMMO: www.genforum.genealogy.com/nimmo You might find a cousin or two. Gary Radcliffe West Covina, CA

Building on Barbara's find of NEWMOCK, there is an Adam de Newmarche on the Hundred Rolls. There is also a NEWMARK, an English name which meant dweller at the new march (sic). Newmark in England is often an Anglicization of the German Neumark. Gary

--=======5F5379CD======= Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-4D393DF6; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi I have looked in a few books but cannot find WERRETT or DERRETT listed. Has anyone any suggestions to their origin. Thanks Marcia Jewell --=======5F5379CD=======--

NIMMO: You've probably already seen this, but "A Dictionary of Surnames" by Patrick Hanks and Flavia Hodges says the origin is unknown but the earliest forms probably belong to "NEWMOCH" (1459), "NEMOCH" (1490), and "NEMOK" (1587). Forms with -i- are not found before the 17th century. It lists NEMO & NEMMOCK as variants. None of my other 7 books even mentions the name in any of its variations. Barbara Joshua Nimocks wrote: >I am looking for origin information on Nimmo/Nimocks. I'm not sure >how much anyone will be able to help me. > >It's a Scottish surname, at least as far back as the 1400's, and I've >already seen the entry in George Black's Surnames of Scotland. The >perplexing thing is that some reference books claim the two to be >from "Newmoch," which then became Nemoch (the earliest confirmed >variant, which appears throughout the Old Parish registers near the >end of the 1500s), and the "Nimmo" variant dropping the "ch"/"k" sound >at the end. However, I've done some extensive searching through the >books of the Scottish Historic Society's series and the Historical >Manuscripts commission. An "Alexander Nemo" appears in Wigtownshire >in Galloway in 1432, whereas the first Newmoch - John Newmoch - >appears in West Lothian near Edinburgh in 1459. So, I am now >extremely skeptical of at least a Newmoch-Nimmo connection. > >More recently, I've come to believe that perhaps it's related to the >Irish surname Nimmogh/Nemmaugh. That is, perhaps a more ancient form >was Nimmach, which became Nimmogh in Ireland, Nemoch in Scotland but >also Nemo... Some areas would change the "ach" sound to a >softer "augh," thus becoming "o" as in "dough." My own Nemock >ancestors lived in Ayrshire: there was extensive settling between >Northern Ireland and the western coast as all Highland historians >know, but this occurred even as far south as Ayrshire and Galloway. > >Anyways, if everyone could just take a quick glance through their >books for Nimmo, Nemo, Nimmock, Nemoch, or even Nimmogh/Nemmaugh, I'd >appreciate it. As you can see there are many variants, but they >should also be relatively close together, alphabetically. > >Thanks! >Josh Nimocks > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > >

I am looking for origin information on Nimmo/Nimocks. I'm not sure how much anyone will be able to help me. It's a Scottish surname, at least as far back as the 1400's, and I've already seen the entry in George Black's Surnames of Scotland. The perplexing thing is that some reference books claim the two to be from "Newmoch," which then became Nemoch (the earliest confirmed variant, which appears throughout the Old Parish registers near the end of the 1500s), and the "Nimmo" variant dropping the "ch"/"k" sound at the end. However, I've done some extensive searching through the books of the Scottish Historic Society's series and the Historical Manuscripts commission. An "Alexander Nemo" appears in Wigtownshire in Galloway in 1432, whereas the first Newmoch - John Newmoch - appears in West Lothian near Edinburgh in 1459. So, I am now extremely skeptical of at least a Newmoch-Nimmo connection. More recently, I've come to believe that perhaps it's related to the Irish surname Nimmogh/Nemmaugh. That is, perhaps a more ancient form was Nimmach, which became Nimmogh in Ireland, Nemoch in Scotland but also Nemo... Some areas would change the "ach" sound to a softer "augh," thus becoming "o" as in "dough." My own Nemock ancestors lived in Ayrshire: there was extensive settling between Northern Ireland and the western coast as all Highland historians know, but this occurred even as far south as Ayrshire and Galloway. Anyways, if everyone could just take a quick glance through their books for Nimmo, Nemo, Nimmock, Nemoch, or even Nimmogh/Nemmaugh, I'd appreciate it. As you can see there are many variants, but they should also be relatively close together, alphabetically. Thanks! Josh Nimocks

There was a Hiram Nimmo who was private secretary to Don Benito Wilson (Benjamin Wilson) after whom Mt. Wilson was named. This was in the 1840's or 50's in the city of Los Angeles when it was still under Mexican rule. Hiram was 24 in 1850, born Mississippi and a bookkeeper. He lived in the same house with Wilson, three miners from England and two children named Mary and John. Wilson is listed as a Merchant with $50,000 property. Gary Radcliffe West Covina, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Nimocks Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2003 3:16 PM To: SURNAME-ORIGINS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SURNAME-ORIGINS] Nimmo/Nimocks I am looking for origin information on Nimmo/Nimocks. I'm not sure how much anyone will be able to help me. It's a Scottish surname, at least as far back as the 1400's, and I've already seen the entry in George Black's Surnames of Scotland. The perplexing thing is that some reference books claim the two to be from "Newmoch," which then became Nemoch (the earliest confirmed variant, which appears throughout the Old Parish registers near the end of the 1500s), and the "Nimmo" variant dropping the "ch"/"k" sound at the end. However, I've done some extensive searching through the books of the Scottish Historic Society's series and the Historical Manuscripts commission. An "Alexander Nemo" appears in Wigtownshire in Galloway in 1432, whereas the first Newmoch - John Newmoch - appears in West Lothian near Edinburgh in 1459. So, I am now extremely skeptical of at least a Newmoch-Nimmo connection. More recently, I've come to believe that perhaps it's related to the Irish surname Nimmogh/Nemmaugh. That is, perhaps a more ancient form was Nimmach, which became Nimmogh in Ireland, Nemoch in Scotland but also Nemo... Some areas would change the "ach" sound to a softer "augh," thus becoming "o" as in "dough." My own Nemock ancestors lived in Ayrshire: there was extensive settling between Northern Ireland and the western coast as all Highland historians know, but this occurred even as far south as Ayrshire and Galloway. Anyways, if everyone could just take a quick glance through their books for Nimmo, Nemo, Nimmock, Nemoch, or even Nimmogh/Nemmaugh, I'd appreciate it. As you can see there are many variants, but they should also be relatively close together, alphabetically. Thanks! Josh Nimocks ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Don't know if these will help, but found the following: DERRITT (English) Variant of DERRICK. GERRIT (Du.) Form of Gerhard (spear, hard) DARRACH, DARROCH GERRICK JERRATT, JARRATT a form of GARRETT JERRICK WARRICK ---Sources: A Dictionary of Surnames by Patrick Hanks and Flavia Hodges New Dictionary of American Family Names by Elsdon C. Smith Barbara Marcia Jewell wrote: >Hi > >I have looked in a few books but cannot find WERRETT or DERRETT >listed. Has anyone any suggestions to their origin. > >Thanks > >Marcia Jewell > >--=======5F5379CD=======-- > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > >

I remember the Pinna name from somewhere. The pitch instead of pig is also food for thought. This turned out to be a much more mysterious name than I thought. Thank you, John, Gary Radcliffe ----- Original Message ----- From: John DeMott Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2003 7:48 AM To: SURNAME-ORIGINS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SURNAME-ORIGINS] PENNINGTON Pennington: Obvious Place name ending in "ington" (clan/family and homestead/village). "the homestead of Pinna's clan". Pickford: Another place name. "Ford (river crossing) where pitch is found". Regards John --- GARY RADCLIFFE <glradcliffe@msn.com> wrote: > PENNINGTON / PENINGTON - May I have a lookup on > this name, please? > > PICKFORD, too, if possible. > > Gary > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Thanks so much, Barbara. I'll be forwarding this to a number of people. I must remember to give credit where it's due. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: LaChance Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2003 8:21 AM To: SURNAME-ORIGINS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SURNAME-ORIGINS] PENNINGTON PENNINGTON (English) Someone from places in Lancashire, Cumberland, and Hants (Hampshire). The latter two from Old English "pening" PENNY (used as a byname or from a tribute due on the land) + "tun" enclosure, settlement. The place of this name in the parish of Leigh in Lancashire is recorded in the 13th century as "Pinington" and "Pyninton", and may be from Old English "Pinningtun" (seetlement associated with "Pinna". PICKFORD (English) habitation name, perhaps from "Pickford" (pig ford) in Ticehurst, Sussex. The name is now mostly in the Manchester region, apparently arriving there about the 17th century. ---Source: A Dictionary of Surnames by Patrick Hanks and Flavia Hodges. Barbara GARY RADCLIFFE wrote: >PENNINGTON / PENINGTON - May I have a lookup on this name, please? > >PICKFORD, too, if possible. > >Gary > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

PENNINGTON (English) Someone from places in Lancashire, Cumberland, and Hants (Hampshire). The latter two from Old English "pening" PENNY (used as a byname or from a tribute due on the land) + "tun" enclosure, settlement. The place of this name in the parish of Leigh in Lancashire is recorded in the 13th century as "Pinington" and "Pyninton", and may be from Old English "Pinningtun" (seetlement associated with "Pinna". PICKFORD (English) habitation name, perhaps from "Pickford" (pig ford) in Ticehurst, Sussex. The name is now mostly in the Manchester region, apparently arriving there about the 17th century. ---Source: A Dictionary of Surnames by Patrick Hanks and Flavia Hodges. Barbara GARY RADCLIFFE wrote: >PENNINGTON / PENINGTON - May I have a lookup on this name, please? > >PICKFORD, too, if possible. > >Gary > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > >

Pennington: Obvious Place name ending in "ington" (clan/family and homestead/village). "the homestead of Pinna's clan". Pickford: Another place name. "Ford (river crossing) where pitch is found". Regards John --- GARY RADCLIFFE <glradcliffe@msn.com> wrote: > PENNINGTON / PENINGTON - May I have a lookup on > this name, please? > > PICKFORD, too, if possible. > > Gary > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com

PENNINGTON / PENINGTON - May I have a lookup on this name, please? PICKFORD, too, if possible. Gary

Was FRASURE originally FRAZIER? Lots of controversy here. Thanks, Gary

The English language is a mixture of words of latino-french and germano-scandinavian origin. So, yes the origin could be germanic, with something to do with the trade of butcher - although more precisely 'skinner', it could also be of old french (latin) origin as a deformed version of 'Fletcher', or 'arrow-maker'. I have an example of this deformation in my family tree, where perhaps a deaf clergyman and a broad local accent gave birth to a complete change from Flesher to Fletcher. How can anyone be sure of anything in times when only a chosen few could read and write or even pronounce English as she should be spoke or wrote!! Geoff

My father's Flesher line goes back to West Virginia...I think in Germany they used Fleisher, perhaps with a c in it...many surnames were changed when they arrived in America because as they immigrated and gave their names, the people couldnt spell them correctly...just from memory (have a document I could check) my immigrant was Johan Peter Fleisher...one of his sons married Susan Popejoy and they went to Ohio as I recall --one of their sons Harrison Flesher to Indiana and then Missouri... Ellen ----- Original Message ----- From: "GARY RADCLIFFE" <glradcliffe@msn.com> To: <SURNAME-ORIGINS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 12:40 PM Subject: Re: [SURNAME-ORIGINS] Flesher > I think Fleischer is the German spelling. There was a Flesher spelling in what is now West Virginia > in the 1780's in Lewis County. He was a farmer who lost two horses to an Indian raid two days > before my ggg-uncle was butchered by the Indians. Flesher was only mildly injured. There should > be many Fleshers in that area today. > > Gary Radcliffe > West Covina, CA > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ellen Byrne > Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 12:21 PM > To: SURNAME-ORIGINS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [SURNAME-ORIGINS] Flesher > > The name Flesher I believe meant meat cutter in Germany...but wasnt it originally Fleischer? > Does anyone know more about that name? > Ellen Flesher Byrne > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

FLESHER - As best as I can figure out from "A Dictionary of Surnames" by Patrick Hanks and Flavia Hodges, the name originated in Britain as a combination of an Old English word meaning "hew or cut" and a Middle English word meaning "flesh or meat". The German name "Fleish(n)er" is listed as a cognate of the English name, which if I understand "cognate" correctly, means it descendended from the same earlier form. Barbara Ellen Byrne wrote: >The name Flesher I believe meant meat cutter in Germany...but wasnt it originally Fleischer? >Does anyone know more about that name? >Ellen Flesher Byrne > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > >

I think Fleischer is the German spelling. There was a Flesher spelling in what is now West Virginia in the 1780's in Lewis County. He was a farmer who lost two horses to an Indian raid two days before my ggg-uncle was butchered by the Indians. Flesher was only mildly injured. There should be many Fleshers in that area today. Gary Radcliffe West Covina, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: Ellen Byrne Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 12:21 PM To: SURNAME-ORIGINS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SURNAME-ORIGINS] Flesher The name Flesher I believe meant meat cutter in Germany...but wasnt it originally Fleischer? Does anyone know more about that name? Ellen Flesher Byrne ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

The name Flesher I believe meant meat cutter in Germany...but wasnt it originally Fleischer? Does anyone know more about that name? Ellen Flesher Byrne

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