Stan, I hate to attempt to contradict Ingolf since his knowledge of Germanic names is FAR greater than mine, but according to "New Dictionary of American Family Names" by E.C. Smith, "WICHMAN" and "WICKMAN" are two entirely different names. And, according to the posting I received your spelling is with a "k", not an "h", right? Barbara Stan Wickman wrote: > Holy Mackerel!!! > > Thanks Ingolf. Vielen Dank. I shall try to use this info constructively. > > Stan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ingolf Vogel" <vogeling@freenet.de> > To: <SURNAME-ORIGINS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 1:35 AM > Subject: Re: [SURNAME-ORIGINS] WICKMAN > > > Hello, > > > > Wiegmann, Wigmann, Wichmann are all the same name. Wig and Wich are > > pronounced the same way in German. Often you have the spelling change back > > and forth between Wigmann and Wichmann within a few years. Wichmann is a > > VERY common name in northern Germany ! > > > > The name Wi(e)g(ch)mann is made up of the Germanic roots "wig" (war) and > > "man" (man). > > Variants include : Weichmann, Weickmann, Weigmann, Wichmann, Wiechmann, > > Wickmann, Wigmann, all depending on local dialect and on the preference of > > the priest - with frequent changes of the spelling. > > > > The German telephone directory lists : > > > > Wichmann 6050 > > Wiechmann 2032 > > Wigmann 42 > > Wiegmann 1913 > > Wieckmann 10 > > Wiekmann 0 > > Wickmann 122 > > Wiekmann 0 > > Weichmann 193 > > > > Regards, > > > > Ingolf Vogel > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Stan Wickman" <cownabor@htdconnect.com> > > To: <SURNAME-ORIGINS-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 6:42 AM > > Subject: [SURNAME-ORIGINS] WICKMAN, METCALFE > > > > > > > I have a reference that relates both WICKMAN and METCALFE to cows in > > > England. This is fascinating to me because my wife is a METCALFE whose > > roots > > > lie in England and Ireland among other sources. > > > > > > There are a large number of Scandinavian WICKMANs in the USA, especially > > > Wisconsin and Minnesota. > > > > > > My ancestors came from Hannover in Deutschland. There are apparently > > several > > > possibilities: Wiegmann, Wichmann, Wiechmann to name three. > > > > > > Will Durant, in his history, relates the English "wick" to the > > Scandahoovian > > > "vik" because of the Viking raids and the similar meanings of the words. > > > > > > What say you about the possibilities for the origin of WICKMAN? > > METCALF(E)? > > > > > > Stan > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, > > go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

WICKMAN (English) 1. Someone who lived in an outlying settlement dependent upon a larger village. 2. Someone from a place named with this word, ie. in Berkshire, Gloucestershire, Somerset, and Worcestershire. The term seems to have been used especially of an outlying dairy farm or a salt works. (A Dictionary of Surnames by Patrick Hanks and Flavia Hodges.) 3. One who worked on a dairy farm. (New Dictionary of American Family Names by E.C. Smith). METCALFE, METCALF (English [Yorkshire]) 1. Of uncertain origin, probably from Middle English "metecalf" ('meat calf'), i.e. a calf being fattened up to be slaughtered for meat at the end of the summer. It is thus either a herdsman or slaughterer, or a nickname for a sleek and plump individual. (A Dictionary of Surnames) 2. Dweller at, or near, the meadow where calves were kept. (New Dictionary of American Family Names) Barbara Stan Wickman wrote: > I have a reference that relates both WICKMAN and METCALFE to cows in > England. This is fascinating to me because my wife is a METCALFE whose roots > lie in England and Ireland among other sources. > > There are a large number of Scandinavian WICKMANs in the USA, especially > Wisconsin and Minnesota. > > My ancestors came from Hannover in Deutschland. There are apparently several > possibilities: Wiegmann, Wichmann, Wiechmann to name three. > > Will Durant, in his history, relates the English "wick" to the Scandahoovian > "vik" because of the Viking raids and the similar meanings of the words. > > What say you about the possibilities for the origin of WICKMAN? METCALF(E)? > > Stan > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hello, Wiegmann, Wigmann, Wichmann are all the same name. Wig and Wich are pronounced the same way in German. Often you have the spelling change back and forth between Wigmann and Wichmann within a few years. Wichmann is a VERY common name in northern Germany ! The name Wi(e)g(ch)mann is made up of the Germanic roots "wig" (war) and "man" (man). Variants include : Weichmann, Weickmann, Weigmann, Wichmann, Wiechmann, Wickmann, Wigmann, all depending on local dialect and on the preference of the priest - with frequent changes of the spelling. The German telephone directory lists : Wichmann 6050 Wiechmann 2032 Wigmann 42 Wiegmann 1913 Wieckmann 10 Wiekmann 0 Wickmann 122 Wiekmann 0 Weichmann 193 Regards, Ingolf Vogel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Wickman" <cownabor@htdconnect.com> To: <SURNAME-ORIGINS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 6:42 AM Subject: [SURNAME-ORIGINS] WICKMAN, METCALFE > I have a reference that relates both WICKMAN and METCALFE to cows in > England. This is fascinating to me because my wife is a METCALFE whose roots > lie in England and Ireland among other sources. > > There are a large number of Scandinavian WICKMANs in the USA, especially > Wisconsin and Minnesota. > > My ancestors came from Hannover in Deutschland. There are apparently several > possibilities: Wiegmann, Wichmann, Wiechmann to name three. > > Will Durant, in his history, relates the English "wick" to the Scandahoovian > "vik" because of the Viking raids and the similar meanings of the words. > > What say you about the possibilities for the origin of WICKMAN? METCALF(E)? > > Stan > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

I have a reference that relates both WICKMAN and METCALFE to cows in England. This is fascinating to me because my wife is a METCALFE whose roots lie in England and Ireland among other sources. There are a large number of Scandinavian WICKMANs in the USA, especially Wisconsin and Minnesota. My ancestors came from Hannover in Deutschland. There are apparently several possibilities: Wiegmann, Wichmann, Wiechmann to name three. Will Durant, in his history, relates the English "wick" to the Scandahoovian "vik" because of the Viking raids and the similar meanings of the words. What say you about the possibilities for the origin of WICKMAN? METCALF(E)? Stan

Thanks Barbara Drucilla

Can anyone tell me the origin and meaning of the surname Byrum? Thank you, Drucilla

LÜHRING - patronymical form of Lühr Lühr : shorted form of Lüder Lüder : a Low German version of Lothar Lothar is made up of the Germanic roots "hlut" (= loud, famous) & heri (= army) So Lühring woould translate something like "the son of the famous army (commander)" Regards, Ingolf Vogel ----- Original Message ----- From: "PETER ATKINSON" <atkinson@supertrout.fsnet.co.uk> To: <SURNAME-ORIGINS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 8:29 PM Subject: [SURNAME-ORIGINS] Lühring My grgrandmother Sophia Lühring was born in Hamburg,Germany about 1830. Does anyone know the meaning or origin of her surname. Peter ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

BYRUM (English) Descendant of Byron (from the cottage); one who came from Byram (tumulus or cowshed), in the West Riding of Yorkshire. ---Source: New Dictionary of American Family Names by E.C. Smith. Barbara Drucilla wrote: > Can anyone tell me the origin and meaning of the surname Byrum? > > Thank you, > Drucilla > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

LUHRING (Low German) According to "A Dictionary of Surnames" by Patrick Hanks and Flavia Hodges, this is a patronym of the name "LUHR", which in turn is a cognate of the German name "LEUTHER", which comes from a Germanic personal name composed of the elements "liut" (people, tribe) + "heri, hari" (army). Barbara PETER ATKINSON wrote: > My grgrandmother Sophia Lühring was born in Hamburg,Germany about 1830. > > Does anyone know the meaning or origin of her surname. > > Peter > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

My grgrandmother Sophia Lühring was born in Hamburg,Germany about 1830. Does anyone know the meaning or origin of her surname. Peter

Thanks Barbara, As far as I can tell they are different, PENROSE is far more common. Of course when written a lowercase "r" can be mistaken easlily for a "v". Pen as you say means head, top end, chief Bos is a common element in Cornish surnames and placenames and means a dwelling, b mutates to v, so Penvos could possibly mean chief dwelling, dwelling of a chief, dwelling at the top or head of something. Grabbing at straws a bit, perhaps. Jim > Don't know if they are related but the closest I could come to PENVOSE is > PENROSE > which is Cornish and Welsh according to "A Dictionary of Surnames by > Patrick Hanks > and Flavia Hodges. They say it is a habitation name from any of the places > so > called, in ten parishes of Cornwall, several times in Wales, and > Herefordshire near > the Welsh border. All come from the Celtic elements "pen" (head, top, end) > + "ros" > (heath, moor).

Don't know if they are related but the closest I could come to PENVOSE is PENROSE which is Cornish and Welsh according to "A Dictionary of Surnames by Patrick Hanks and Flavia Hodges. They say it is a habitation name from any of the places so called, in ten parishes of Cornwall, several times in Wales, and Herefordshire near the Welsh border. All come from the Celtic elements "pen" (head, top, end) + "ros" (heath, moor). "New Dictionary of American Family Names" by E.C. Smith says it's English and Welsh and means "One who lived at the head, or upper end, of the heath. "A Dictionary of English and Welsh Surnames" by Charles Wareing Bardsley says it comes from a parish in county Monmouth. Barbara Kernow62@aol.com wrote: > Hi all, > > Anyone have anything on this one PENVOSE. > > It sounds Cornish enough, and there are places in Cornwall called Penvose on > the Roseland peninsula. There seem to be a fair number of these PENVOSEs in > Pennsylvania which is an area of Cornish migration. > > I have been fooled before by Cornish sounding surnames that turned out to be > something else. > > Jim > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

This was an excellent excerpt regarding surnames from the Glaser book http://www.nku.edu/~jentsch/nachnamen.htm

Hello, ENCK(E) - a derivation of the old Low German / Frisian name Eniko, in turn deriving from the Germanic name "agi(n)" = fright, fear. I.e. "Enck" is a person that speads fear and/or awe. Another possibiliy is that En(c)k is a regional variant (based on local pronouncation) of "Eng(e)" = narrow(ness), for a person that lived in a narrow gorge or ravine; or on a narrow road. Regards, Ingolf Vogel ----- Original Message ----- From: <EnckAMac@aol.com> To: <SURNAME-ORIGINS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 1:04 AM Subject: Re: [SURNAME-ORIGINS] Enck > Would anyone have any insight as to the meaning of the German surname Enck. > thank you Ann

Hello, German namens staring with Domn... are almost always a version of the name Dominic/Thomas. However the French name Domné could possibly have a different origin. Regards, Ingolf Vogel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet Nelson" <nelson.js@verizon.net> To: <SURNAME-ORIGINS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 4:24 AM Subject: [SURNAME-ORIGINS] Re: Surname Domme > Hello: > > Have discovered that the surname Domme was prevalent in the Rhine Valley, > France and England. As a matter of fact there is a medieval town in > southwestern France named Domme (Bastide of Domme to be exact). > > All I have been able to find out to this point, is that the Bastide of Domme > was established in 1280. I'm trying to find out why it was named Domme. > Does anyone know the answer? > > Any help will be greatly appreciated! > Janet A. Nelson > nelson.js@verizon.net > > PS: Please note new e-mail address.

Hi all, Anyone have anything on this one PENVOSE. It sounds Cornish enough, and there are places in Cornwall called Penvose on the Roseland peninsula. There seem to be a fair number of these PENVOSEs in Pennsylvania which is an area of Cornish migration. I have been fooled before by Cornish sounding surnames that turned out to be something else. Jim

thank you Barbara--most interesting.

Would anyone have any insight as to the meaning of the German surname Enck. thank you Ann

DOM - It could be from the Greek for "house" as in domestic, domicile, etc. Dominus means Lord and it seems to me the Dutch used that word for ministers of the gospel although in a slightly different form. Lots of choices. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: Ingolf Vogel Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 3:10 PM To: SURNAME-ORIGINS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SURNAME-ORIGINS] Domne Hello, German namens staring with Domn... are almost always a version of the name Dominic/Thomas. However the French name Domné could possibly have a different origin. Regards, Ingolf Vogel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet Nelson" <nelson.js@verizon.net> To: <SURNAME-ORIGINS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 4:24 AM Subject: [SURNAME-ORIGINS] Re: Surname Domme > Hello: > > Have discovered that the surname Domme was prevalent in the Rhine Valley, > France and England. As a matter of fact there is a medieval town in > southwestern France named Domme (Bastide of Domme to be exact). > > All I have been able to find out to this point, is that the Bastide of Domme > was established in 1280. I'm trying to find out why it was named Domme. > Does anyone know the answer? > > Any help will be greatly appreciated! > Janet A. Nelson > nelson.js@verizon.net > > PS: Please note new e-mail address. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

ENCK (Ger.) One who works for another; a servant. ---Source: New Dictionary of American Family Names by E.C. Smith. or: Hired hand. ---Source: German-American Names by George F. Jones. Barbara EnckAMac@aol.com wrote: > Would anyone have any insight as to the meaning of the German surname Enck. > thank you Ann > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237