I have been reading these messages for the past week or so. Perhaps it is time I added some information. The following may be totally unconnected. At least I don't know how to connect it. My wife's earliest known Surgeoner was a George Surgeoner, born about 1794 in Ireland. We have long suspected he came from the Ballymena, Antrim but have no proof what so ever. George married Jean Tennock in 1819 in St. Quivox, Ayrshire, Scotland. They had 8 children, in the following order: Ann Campell, Ann, John Tinnock, Janet, Jane, Thomas, James, George. Claude Wrathall