Thanks to Darryl for taking the time to list the WFT Surgeners for us. A note of caution, which you all know: Since these are all submissions, they are subject to the many errors of humans; however WFT data is often worse than the IGI which hardly seemed possible until you see some of it. Perhaps its because of the new "information era" and people new to the web who don't really do gen. research but know Uncle Joe's stories about the family. Whatever. Just remember to always PROVE each step for yourself before gathering anything in as gospel. A few other lists right now are going through a Broderbund-hate faze. Apparently they've been sending "spiders" or "robots" out to gather info from family webpages in addition to submissions and even personal info on living people has been showing up - the stuff that is supposed to be kept private on their files. I haven't sent anything to them and have only looked at their files a couple times. All I know is from what I've been sent, what others have told me and now what's coming across the lists but thought it was worth a mention. Ruby