Oh geez! This isn't my day! I can't count for some reason, and I think I'm trying to come down with something. You are right..my math is way off, and I have a relative who was born 1833 and knew her to be about 17 in 1850. I don't know what I was thinking of! You might want to check into Ward for the 1850 census. You might just find her! Always check everything including family lore. My mother thought her father was adopted, until I showed her that he was listed in two consecutive censuses as "son", and after comparing his photo to the man who raise him, there is no denying that they were father and son. HE may have towered over his father in adulthood, but those faces almost match! I will bet the "Ward" is why you are hitting dead-ends. Let us know if you find her. I want to hear success stories, too! Tina Hall -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2001 5:19 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SURGENER-L] Re: Abraham Surgener Tina I found the marriage record for Sarah Surgener on the Whitley Co. genweb site. On any record I have found for her and on family records I've been given she always listed her birthplace as KY. On some family records that I was given the surname Ward was listed with her name. ie; Sarah Surgener Ward. So I have wondered if she was married before to a man named Ward. Many of the family records have proven not to be true so I've never looked into the name Ward. Maybe its time to do that. She was born in 1833 so in 1850 she would have been abt. 18. Thanks, Joyce