I just looked at the 1860 Knox Co., KY, census for Abraham Surgener. The two (1850 and 1860) are so different, are they TWO different Abrahams as Joyce suggested, or are ages very wrong on one or the other and one was using first names and the other middle names? They are both below for comparison. Ruby .................... 1850 Dist. No. 2, Whitley, KY, p:424 (M432 #222) Fam 515/515 SURGENOR, Abraham, 43, farmer, $175, NC, cannot read/write Nancy, 41, NC, cannot read/write Susan, 16, KY, attended school w/in yr Malinda, 14, KY, ditto Nathan, 11, KY, ditto Rachael, 9, KY, ditto Isaiah, 6, KY, ditto David, 4, KY -------------------------------- 1860 Paynes Dist., Knox Co., KY, p:30 (M432 #380) [Also: www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/ky/knox/census/1860/0030.gif] SURGEONER, ABRAHAM, 46 - farmer - VA Seala, 44, TN Lucinda, 23, KY Malinda, 22, KY David, 20, KY Koziha, 18, KY William, 16, KY Susan, 14, KY Stephen, 12, KY Mary Jane, 10, KY Robert, 8, KY