Found this in my travels: The Old French Word for a Surgeon was SERURGIEN and the Old French Word for SURG was SOURGIR "to rise", "to lead straight up" So we will now have to call Ruby " Sourgir" (Grin) Regards Darryl Pearce Burleigh Falls Ontario CANADA email [email protected] Rooting for WORBY/WARBY NFK/SFK PEACE DBY/NTS/WRY STONER WRY RUFFELL NFK/SFK BYWATER WRY SURGENOR NI TURTON ALB.CANADA