Finally got some more of the generous info from Claude Wrathall uploaded to SELECTED AYRSHIRE, SCOTLAND, RECORDS at: http://home.rmci.net/adamewa/isles_2.htm or access it through the link at the bottom of the British Isles page. More to go. ---------- According to the counter on the "Bumper Sticker Genealogy" page, it has been visited over 280 times since it was uploaded on Thursday and probably a few more before I decided to put a counter on the page. Remarkable! The counter on the SURGENER home page indicates that many of those visitors have been accessing that webpage, too. While no one has contacted me about the name, somebody MIGHT remember seeing it if they ever come across the name somewhere. ---------- Also, found in "North Carolina Historical and Genealogical Register" April 1901, an excellent article about Rev. William Surginer with a number of sources cited. It is basically the same info contributed to the Chronological webpages by Billie Groening but goes further in telling about Surginer's missionaries' success in the inner coastal plain. About Surginer's personal background, the author says "...Surginer moved from Isle of Wight County, Va., to the area of Kehukee as a teenager in mid-1720's. He arrived with the family of an older kinsman, John Surginer, who was given a grant of 350 acres at Kehukee on 9 Apr 1725 for the importation of himself and five others. "Upon attaining his majority, William Surginer bought land for himself adjoining that of his kinsman; he made his first purchase at Kehukee in 1729." Ruby

Register of Deaths, Lee Co., Virginia: MARTHA SURGENER, d.20 Oct 1868 from diptheria, 3y 8m 10d. Parents: STEPHEN and ELIZABETH SURGENER of Lee Cove.

I've added a fun new page called "Bumper Sticker Genealogy" to the Surgener webpages: http://home.rmci.net/adamewa/ Click on the link. These are things I've collected for awhile and I used them in the State Gen. Society's quarterly when I was editor - had a great response, so thought others might get a smile or a chuckle, too. If you have any others, send them my way. Hope you like them!! Ruby

In addition to the message of this morning: >From Hawkins Co, TN marriages 1866-1899: William Surgenor married Hester Light Aug 28, 1888 page 198 W B Surginer married Amands S Turner Feb 20, 1860 page 198 Sarah M. Surgenor married John L Barrett Page 198 Hester Surgner married Fred Miller Dec 2, 1871 c Page 144 (Black or Colored) Mary Surgner married James Bradley Feb 8, 1872 Page 22 Malvina Surgoin married Cornilius Looney Feb 15, 1868 (Black or Colored) Mary Surgoin married David Crigg Aug 14, 1870 Sallie Surgoins married Nathan Bachman License issue May 4, 1872 but not returned. Bill McNeese [email protected] http://www.mcneese.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Monday, July 27, 1998 12:57 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [SURGENER-L] Hawkins Co., TN > > > HAWKINS COUNTY, TENNESSEE, COURT MINUTES 1830-1837 by Sallie Hayes: > > pg. 218: Ordered by the court that John Looney and Robert Brice be > appointed to examine into the condition of PATIENCE SURGENAN and children > and if necessary to make a contract to have them furnished with > necessities > till next court at which term they are required to report their condition. > > pg. 228: Ordered by the court that Robert Brice, Esq'r, be allowed > the sum > of $15 for provisions furnished PATIENCE SURGENER and her > children and that > the county trustee pay the same for which the clerk may issue a > certificate > and that said Brice at the next term of this court on account of the > articles furnished from February court, 1837, to February court, 1838. > ---------- > > Unfortunately, being under time pressure, I forgot to page backwards to > figure out what the exact court dates were on these two cases. I found the > book in the McClung Historical Archives at the Knox County Archives > building in Knoxville, Tennessee. It sounds as though Patience was either > widowed or deserted but I found no reference to who her husband might have > been. There were xeroxes of actual minutes for earlier dates but they were > not indexed and I only had 1-1/2 hours so not enough time to go through > them. > > Does anybody have any idea who Patience and/or her husband was? > Children? I > have not looked at Tennessee censuses for Surgener. > > Ruby >

Claude Wrathall has a more detailed Descendant Chart on the webpage at: http://home.rmci.net/adamewa/famgroup.htm Beginning with GEORGE SURGEONER born in Ireland and removing to Scotland. Please send your SURGENER charts for the webpage (no one living), censuses or anything else you might have made note of containing the name. Claude has sent much more which will be uploaded as soon as I get a chance, and Bill McNeese has recently contributed very interesting info for Hawkins Co., TN, as you've noted from the mail list. Darryl Pearce noted an emigration record from a Hotten source and I also found the entry in Coldham's book. This is getting more fascinating all the time! So many references, so little known. Hm-m-m-m. Hope all is well with everyone. HOT here today! Ruby

Hi Ruby, Charity Surginer is listed in the 1830 census on page 55: 1 male <5 1 female 5-10 1 female 20-20 Patience Surgenor is in the 1840 census page 224: 1 male 10-15 1 female <5 (probably Mary) 1 female 10-15 1 female 30-40 (Patience) In the 1850 Census Page 350 the listing is for: Charity Surgioner age 45 (Head) Mary age 16 In the 1850 Census page 384B: Richard Smith 65 Patience 40 Joshua 10 Sarah 14 There is a Abraham Surginer who shows up in the 1850 census on page 338: Abraham age 25 Nancy age 18 Marriages : Jacob Surjoiner married Elizabeth Beesett Aug 19, 1839 (Page 7 -Hawkins Co. marriage records 1789- 1866). Patience Surgenor married Richard Smith Jan 23, 1845 (Page 17). (Since there are 25 Olly Surginer married John Still Jan 2, 1853 ( Page 40) Mary Elizabeth Sturgeon married Samuel Winger Oct 13, 1858 ( Page 59) Mason M.Surgener married Phoebe Palmer May 10, 1861 (Page 73) Mason M Surgener married Maria Fields Nov 16, 1861 ( Page 73) The curious thing is that in the 1830 and 1850 census Charity is listed in each census as being between Thomas Barnett and Benjamin Vaughn, and in the 1840 census Patience is listed in the same place, but Charity is not listed. They could have been sisters, but where is Patience in 1840 ? I wish I could find my Jerusha Surgener who married John Jones abt 1853 in this group. Bill McNeese [email protected] http://www.mcneese.com -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, July 27, 1998 12:57 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [SURGENER-L] Hawkins Co., TN HAWKINS COUNTY, TENNESSEE, COURT MINUTES 1830-1837 by Sallie Hayes: pg. 218: Ordered by the court that John Looney and Robert Brice be appointed to examine into the condition of PATIENCE SURGENAN and children and if necessary to make a contract to have them furnished with necessities till next court at which term they are required to report their condition. pg. 228: Ordered by the court that Robert Brice, Esq'r, be allowed the sum of $15 for provisions furnished PATIENCE SURGENER and her children and that the county trustee pay the same for which the clerk may issue a certificate and that said Brice at the next term of this court on account of the articles furnished from February court, 1837, to February court, 1838. ---------- Unfortunately, being under time pressure, I forgot to page backwards to figure out what the exact court dates were on these two cases. I found the book in the McClung Historical Archives at the Knox County Archives building in Knoxville, Tennessee. It sounds as though Patience was either widowed or deserted but I found no reference to who her husband might have been. There were xeroxes of actual minutes for earlier dates but they were not indexed and I only had 1-1/2 hours so not enough time to go through them. Does anybody have any idea who Patience and/or her husband was? Children? I have not looked at Tennessee censuses for Surgener. Ruby

HAWKINS COUNTY, TENNESSEE, COURT MINUTES 1830-1837 by Sallie Hayes: pg. 218: Ordered by the court that John Looney and Robert Brice be appointed to examine into the condition of PATIENCE SURGENAN and children and if necessary to make a contract to have them furnished with necessities till next court at which term they are required to report their condition. pg. 228: Ordered by the court that Robert Brice, Esq'r, be allowed the sum of $15 for provisions furnished PATIENCE SURGENER and her children and that the county trustee pay the same for which the clerk may issue a certificate and that said Brice at the next term of this court on account of the articles furnished from February court, 1837, to February court, 1838. ---------- Unfortunately, being under time pressure, I forgot to page backwards to figure out what the exact court dates were on these two cases. I found the book in the McClung Historical Archives at the Knox County Archives building in Knoxville, Tennessee. It sounds as though Patience was either widowed or deserted but I found no reference to who her husband might have been. There were xeroxes of actual minutes for earlier dates but they were not indexed and I only had 1-1/2 hours so not enough time to go through them. Does anybody have any idea who Patience and/or her husband was? Children? I have not looked at Tennessee censuses for Surgener. Ruby

Good morning! Have been to Rowan Co. and Surry Co., North Carolina; Lee Co., Virginia; Knoxville, TN's historical collection (surprisingly not much but did have a number of publications for Hawkins Co., Tennessee, which I was pleased to see because I didn't have time to get to that county). Surgeners are still as mysterious after having been there in person! Did find a couple new items (to me) that I will get posted as soon as I get myself reorganized and back in sync. In the meantime, GOOD NEWS!! Notified by YAHOO (http://www.yahoo.com) that they've picked up our SURGENER webpage and added it to their search engine. Now if anybody is ever looking for the Surgener/Sojourner name (what are the odds of that?) and think to try searching under a different spelling, we'll get found!!! Currently we are also listed on the YAHOO "What's New" - at the YAHOO "search" blank, type in "Surgener" and you will see this entry: Arts: Humanities: History: Genealogy: Lineages and Surnames Surgener - U.S. and British Isles resources for the surname including the alternate spelling, Sojourner. Good for us!!! I haven't had time to read my emails yet and it will be a few days before I get caught up. Looking forward to reading your "stuff" ... Take care. Ruby

> The Following entry is said to be in: John Caden Hotten's "Lists of Emigrants to America 1600 - 1700" printed London 1874, P. 109 13 July 1635 imbarqued in the Ship "Alice" Richard Orchard Mr. "Ships Master" Sailed to Virginia from the Port of London one of the men who swore oath of allegeance . . .Rowland Sudgerner 21 years Rowland Sudgerner came to Virginia with the following people. No other info about them except their ages. Edward Hughes 21 James Morfy 21 Robert Haggar 33 Tho. Askew 21 Richard Cooke 21 Miles Atkinson 22 Rowland Vaughan 19 Richard Natt 18 Francis / Frank Jenkinson 28 William Kendridd 20 Jo. Bentley 34 Jo. Holdsworth 20 Jo Wright 21 Charles Peacock 28 Christopher Hudson 30 Jo. Smith 20 Jo Coop(er) 20 Edward Waggitt 20 Jo. Viccars 35 Thomas Atkinson 27 Rowland Sudgerner 21 William Massingburd 23 Jo. Hutton 17 Elizabeth Dew 32 Ann Dew 9 mo. Rachell Adams 16 Avis Deacon 19 Hanna Glifford 20 Eliz. Blanch 20 Sophia Rottrie 16 Regards Darryl Pearce Burleigh Falls Ontario CANADA email [email protected] Rooting for WORBY/WARBY NFK/SFK PEACE DBY/NTS/WRY STONER WRY RUFFELL NFK/SFK BYWATER WRY SURGENOR NI TURTON ALB.CANADA

The Following entry is said to be in: Hotten's "Lists of Emigrants to America 1600 - 1700" P. 109 13 July 1635 imbarqued in the Alice, Richard Orchard Mr. to Virginia from Port of London - men swore oath of allegeance . . .Rowland Sudgerner 21 years Regards Darryl Pearce

I did get one of Claude Wrathall's descent charts uploaded. He also sent a more detailed chart so the one at: http://home.rmci.net/adamewa/famgroup.htm will probably be changed and updated when I return. See near bottom of webpage: "By Claude Wrathall - The is a following four-generation descendancy chart starting with a George Surgeoner who was born in Ireland (location unknown) but migrated to Ayrshire, Scotland before his marriage in 1819." Ruby

Thanks to mail list member, Claude Wrathall, the British Isles webpage has indexes of some birth, marriage, death records for Scotland. Check them out at: http://home.rmci.net/adamewa/isles.htm Claude has sent more records as well as desc. charts. I will try to get more up soon. A BIG thanks to Claude for this contribution to our SURGENER search. I will be leaving on Sunday for Knoxville, Tennessee; will return the following Sunday. My husband collects certain old fishing lures, reels, split-shot tins, etc., and the two largest fishing collection associations are having a combined show in Knoxville next. I was all for any excuse to get a trip to that area because I plan to spend some time looking for "dead people" (as my husband refers to my preoccupation with genealogy) in surrounding counties and possibly into VA and NC if I have time (with no freeway access to speed me along). You won't be hearing from me for awhile. Hope you will keep the mail list active while I'm gone and get your records together to share on the mail list AND the webpage! Take care, Ruby

This is interesting - genealogy is more than alive and well in the cyber-era. Are our ancestors beaming or shuddering? Ruby _________________________ >Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 13:12:36 -0700 >From: Brian Leverich <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Resent-From: [email protected] >X-Mailing-List: <[email protected]> archive/latest/51 >X-Loop: [email protected] >Resent-Sender: [email protected] > > >June was a hectic month at RootsWeb because we significantly >upgraded our main Web server, at the cost of: > o A lot of money > o Several downs of the server > o Lots of sleep missed, vats of coffee consumed > and several stomach linings destroyed > >We also brought the new homepages.rootsweb.com server online, >which will provide home pages for individual genealogists >once we're satisfied with its operation. > >The executive summary is that RootsWeb had more than 20% >absolute growth in the last four months, but that's >deceptively low because of the downtime while we upgraded >the main server. > >Here are the detailed statistics on our June operations: > > o 35,930,194 total Web hits: > - 10,166,861 were HTML pages. > - 6,010,657 were cgi-bin database searches and such. > - 19,514,782 were graphics (gifs, jpegs, etc). > > o 779,280 FTP file downloads from the USGenWeb > Archives and the ROOTS-L Library. > > o Thanks to a neat hack by Tim Pierce, we know we > shipped more than 77,000,000 pieces of e-mail to > our mailing lists. > > (The 77 million is actually much too low; we had > to archive a significant amount of mail before the > count because of a disk space crunch on one of > the mail servers ... ) > > o 60,000 alt.g and s.g.* Usenet News articles > to hosts on three continents. > > o Approximately 660,960,000,000 bytes in total. > >As always, RootsWeb remains supported by user contributions. >Folks who would like to become a RootsWeb Member or Sponsor >(the cost is very modest) are invited to visit: > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html > >*** You can become a Member easily using your credit card > and our new secure server. *** > >Support from the Internet genealogical community is *crucial* >to RootsWeb's operation. Right now, we could be hosting many >more Websites and mailing lists as well as providing many >further services to the community, if only we had the resources >to do so. > >Also, we would like to publicly thank Palladium Interactive, >publishers of the superb Ultimate Family Tree software, for >their support of RootsWeb: > http://www.palladium.net/ > >Thanks to everyone who participates in RootsWeb -- clearly folks >are continuing to exchanging a great deal of information! -B > > >-- >Dr. Brian Leverich Co-moderator, soc.genealogy.methods/GENMTD-L >RootsWeb Genealogical Data Cooperative http://www.rootsweb.com/ >P.O. Box 6798, Frazier Park, CA 93222-6798 [email protected] > > >

Thanks to contributions from Darryl Pearce, the research collection for the British Isles is now up at: http://home.rmci.net/adamewa/isles.htm If "British Isles" is not a politically correct term to incorporate England, Scotland, Ireland, Wales these days, please let me know so I can change the I.D.'s before someone gets unhappy. Thanks to all for contributions for these pages!! We might not get the Surgeners put together, but we'll sure amass a collection containing the name! Have a great day, Ruby

HAPPY BIRTHDAY AMERICA!!!

Found this in my travels: The Old French Word for a Surgeon was SERURGIEN and the Old French Word for SURG was SOURGIR "to rise", "to lead straight up" So we will now have to call Ruby " Sourgir" (Grin) Regards Darryl Pearce Burleigh Falls Ontario CANADA email [email protected] Rooting for WORBY/WARBY NFK/SFK PEACE DBY/NTS/WRY STONER WRY RUFFELL NFK/SFK BYWATER WRY SURGENOR NI TURTON ALB.CANADA

> Hi Bill, > > I too would be interested in hearing the story of your Surgener ancestor. and if we can find if the Family came from Scotland or Ireland Do you Know what religion they were in the 1830 !!! Most of the Scots were Presbytarians. Regards Darryl Pearce Burleigh Falls Ontario CANADA email [email protected] Rooting for WORBY/WARBY NFK/SFK PEACE DBY/NTS/WRY STONER WRY RUFFELL NFK/SFK BYWATER WRY SURGENOR NI TURTON ALB.CANADA

The following came from Darryl Pearce. It sounds like a possibility - everything is when it comes to the Surgener/Sojourner name! I don't know if it is in our gen. library but I will try to stop by today and see (if they're open). Does anybody else have access to this book? I found all the Surgener names in my research by starting at the top of the "S's" in the index and going all the way down to the end of the S's since I never knew how it was spelled. I even check "D" and "L" because you never know how someone will interpret the penmanship of the first letter. Thanks for the tip, Darryl!!! Ruby ---------- COPY --------- Received this from a Canadian Reseacher who's lineage starts in the Isle of Wight in the same time frame as the SURGENER's & name variants!! Might be a good book to check to see if the Name is mentioned.!! "The Bristol Registers to Servents to Foreign Plantations 1654-1689", by Peter Wilson Coldham ---------- COPY ---------

Hi Bill, I would be interested in hearing the story of your Surgener ancestor. My message about my John Surginer did not go through last time. I'll repost it later. Also, I have a friend married to a McNeese. She is not on the internet , however, I would be happy to pass information for you. Billie -----Original Message----- From: Bill McNeese <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Thursday, July 02, 1998 4:11 PM Subject: Jerusha Surgener- Hawkins Co., TN -ca. 1835 -1865 >I am looking for the ancestors of Jerusha (Gerusha) SURGENER b. abt 1835 and >died in April 1865, in Hawkins Co, TN. She married John JONES ca. 1853. >Oral tradition says she or her family came from Scotland, but this may be >incorrect. > >She seems just to show up as John's wife in Hawkins Co., and is not in the >1850 census there. > >She and John are buried in the same grave, that he dug. A tragic story if >anyone is interested, let me know. > >Any help would be appreciated. > >Bill McNeese >[email protected] >http://mcneese.com

I am looking for the ancestors of Jerusha (Gerusha) SURGENER b. abt 1835 and died in April 1865, in Hawkins Co, TN. She married John JONES ca. 1853. Oral tradition says she or her family came from Scotland, but this may be incorrect. She seems just to show up as John's wife in Hawkins Co., and is not in the 1850 census there. She and John are buried in the same grave, that he dug. A tragic story if anyone is interested, let me know. Any help would be appreciated. Bill McNeese [email protected] http://mcneese.com