Hi Jim Landrum, Your scenario (see below) regarding the time frame on establishment of the counties may help in putting together the fragmented data, both records and testimonial, on early SUM(P)TERs. Now the question is "When was Preddy Creek established and can other records referencing Preddy Creek be found in any of Albemarle County's parent counties?". Perhaps, by studying the evolution on the establishment of counties within Virginia as it relates to SUM(P)TER involvement coupled with studying the relationship of other individuals involved in the records and photocopying and comparing signatures (or their "MARK"), we may be able to link family members along a particular migration path. I think comparison of signatures and relationship of other individuals recorded on records would add another dimension to our research and eventual findings. Perhaps, with a further study of the Draper papers coupled with documented recorded, Alaxander Sumpter's diary notes and other testimonials and family lore, we will have a basis for establishing Richard and Jean SUMPTER as being or not being the progenitor of all early 1700s SUM(P)TERs in in Virginia. Of course, the burned counties will make such a task more difficult. Assuming William (alleged father of General Thomas Sumter) descends from Nicholas SUMPTER in Histon, England and he was not disowned by his family, I would think several of William's descendants would be named "Nicholas" in honor of the alleged progenitor of this family line. If I'm incorrect, please set the record straight because I'm not aware of one descendant being named "Nicholas". With the absence of the name "Nicholas" among the descendants of William and Elizabeth Patience Sumpter, this tends to indicate that William does not descend from Nicholas SUMPTER in Histon, England. As Jim Landrum and Jane Malone-George speculates, perhaps the George Sumpter, age 19, St. Brides, Fleet St., London didn't arrive in Virginia in 1721. Perhaps, he died before boarding a ship or died during the voyage or shortly after arriving in VA. Comments are welcome. Jim Young ============== At 07:30 PM 02/07/2000 -0500, Jim Landrum wrote: >I believe the Hanover County connection comes from the Draper manuscripts. >Letters from people of Albemarle County, Virginia, date in the 1870's, say >that the Sumpter's lived on Preddy Creek in now Albemarle County. This >County came down as follows: >New Kent >1720 Hanover >1742 Louisa - Where Williams's will recorded >1744 Albemarle >As previously noted New Kent is burned. Hanover is burned. I feel early >researchers were taking leaps we have not been prepared to take. > >Next theory >The supposed son of William, Edmond, is supposedly in Lunenburg County in >1764 and Charlotte from then on. Charlotte is out of Lunenburg in 1764. A >George, Henry, and Aggy Sumpter are tied to this Edmond as witnesses on a >deed. Perhaps George, Edmond, and Henry are all brothers and sons of either >Richard or William. They all show up for the first time in the mid 1760's. >The only sons of William for sure are John and William who both move on to >North Carolina. This would cancel my earlier theory that Henry and Edmond >are George's sons. This also would tie into Alexander Sumpter's notes when >he says they have an Uncle John (William's son) who has a son William who >both served in the revolution. As I have noted before this note matches John >Sumpter, son of William (Father to the General) >I think now I have put all the scenerios possible out there. I believe in >covering all my bases in case someone (Please) who finds the key to this >family. ===============