On SUMPTER GenForum 31 Aug 1999, Jerry H. Daniel (in response to a query regarding William and Elizabeth Iverson Sumpter marrying and dying Histon, Cambridge, England) wrote the following: (Start quote) Nicholas Sumpter was born abt 1640 and died in 1695 and married Mary. Their Children are 1. Nicholas Sumpter born abt 1663 in Histon, Cambridge, England. He married Katherine Mathews on April 29, 1688 at St. Boltoph Church, Girton, Cambridge, England. He died in Girton, Cambridge, England. Their children were as follows A. Nicholas Sumpter Chr: 4 Mar 1688 at Impington, Cambridge, England. B. Patman Sumpter Chr: 6 Apr 1690 at Impington, Cambridge, England. Mar: Elizabeth Howlett in Histon, Cambridge, England on 24 Jan 1716. C. Mara Sumpter Chr: 20 Feb 1692 at Impington, Cambridge, England. D. William Sumpter Chr: 18 Aug 1695 at Histon, Cambridge, England. Mar: 18 June 1728 in Hanover Co., Va and marriage was recorded in Histon, Cambridge, England for inheritance purposes. Died 7 July 1752 on Sumpter property in Louisa Co., Virginia. .....................Willed was proved in November of 1752. 2. William Sumpter born abt 1664 in Histon, Cambridge, England. *** This is the William in your message. 3. Richard Sumpter born abt 1666 in Histon, Cambridge, England. *** He is the Hugeonot in the Hugeonot that landed in the Va's in the early 1700's. He is the possible ancestor to George Sumpter that other's are having problems connecting to. He arrived in Mannekin Town, King George Parish, Va. 4. Adam Sumpter born abt 1669 in Histon, Cambridge, England. He to possibly migrated later to central Virginia thru the Hugeonot round-up/sponsoring of the King in their general deportments to the Va's and Pa. I'm still looking thru the Hugeonot records. (End quote) ======================= Jerry H. Daniel also posts the following on 8 Sep 1999 in SUMPTER GenForum in response to the marriage record of William Sumpter in Hanover Co., VA. (Start quote) The marriage record spoke of, was recorded by the church sexton for inheritance purposes only. This record of marriage in Hanover county files is being researched by various members of the family. It would be very unlikely that they would have traveled back to England as they were very poor until later in life. There are also no ship records showing them departing or rearriving to the Americas. It was a matter of custom and law in the Americas to file your marriage license with the church in order to inherit if there was a chance of inheritting anything of value. Accordingly, William's Aunt appears to have been wealthy by the Draper Paper Records. (End Quote) ============= Jerry H. Daniel's posts raises some interesting questions. Perhaps, further discussion may or may not help resolve some of the issues. Which William Sumpter married Elizabeth Iverson (widow of John Iverson, d. 9 Feb 1724) about 1728 or 1729? Was it the 33 year-old William in paragraph 1.D.; or, was it the 64 year-old William in paragraph 2.? If the 33 year-old William SUMPTER married Elizabeth Iverson (widow of John Iverson), then the parents of William Sumpter in Hanover Co., VA (father of General Thomas Sumpter) are unknown. However, if the 64 year-old William Sumpter married Elizabeth Iverson (widow of John Iverson), then the parents of William Sumpter in Hanover Co., VA (father of General Thomas Sumpter) could possibly be Nicholas Sumpter (born abt 1663 in Histon, Cambridge, England) and Katherine Mathews. Did William Sumpter (father of General Thomas Sumter) marry on 18 June 1728 in Hanover Co., VA and record the marriage in Histon, Cambridge, England for inheritance purposes? Whose marriage record was recorded by the church sexton in Histon, Cambridge, England for inheritance purposes... William Sumpter, the 33 year-old or William Sumpter, the 64 year-old? Has anyone seen the alleged 18 June 1728 Hanover Co., VA marriage record for William Sumpter (father of General Thomas Sumter)? Was the bride's name on the marriage record? If the 33 year-old William Sumpter is proven to have married Elizabeth Iverson (widow of John Iverson), then the 64 year-old William Sumpter (1664) or his alleged brothers, Richard (1666) or Adam (1669) should be further researched as being the father of William Sumpter (father of General Thomas Sumter). Who is the wealthy aunt of William Sumpter (father of General Thomas Sumter) mentioned in the Draper Paper Records? The above question are based in part on the following research. ========= Matilda Adams of California recently concluded extensive research into the films at the Latter Day Saints Library in Salt Lake City. Matilda engaged a professional researcher to help her search the records. LDS films #496700 and #1040483 contain parish records from Histon, Cambridge, England. The following data taken from these films proves that William and Elizabeth (IVERSON) SUMPTER are NOT the parents of General Thomas SUMTER. 1695 William SUMPTER born to Nicklas and Katherine (MATHEWS) SUMPTER. 9 Feb 1724 John IVERSON died in Histon, England. 1729 William SUMPTER married Elizabeth IVERSON (widow). 10 July 1740 Elizabeth SUMPTER, wife of William, dies in Histon, England. 20 May 1753 William SUMPTER dies in Histon, England. Several children born: John, Thomas, Mary, Ann, Elizabeth and Mary (also death records for some). Conclusion: Since all of the above events occurred in England, William SUMPTER and Elizabeth (IVERSON) SUMPTER apparently are not the William and Elizabeth SUMPTER of Louisa County, VA and whom we believe are the parents of: Captain William; General Thomas; John; Edmund; and Patience [(FRANKLIN) SUDDARTH]. The parents of General Thomas SUMTER, William and Elizabeth SUMPTER, died in Virginia. William's will was written 7 July 1752 and filed November 1752; and Elizabeth SUMPTER lived to be 111 years old. She lived with her daughter in Virginia until long after the Revolutionary War and died early 1800s in Virginia. (Source: Jane Sumpter Malone-George <jmgeorge@dubuque.net>) ============ I sent an email message to Jerry H. Daniel <jerryh.daniel@excite.com> inquiring about his ancestors; and at the moment, I have not received a response. His snail mail address, as shown in the SUMPTER GenForum, is: 12263 Cavewood Road; Rogers, AR 72756 I hope my questions haven't further confused the issue on William Sumpter (father of General Thomas Sumter). Comments are most welcome from anyone wishing to participate in this discussion... I'm particularly interested in comments from Jim Landrum and Jane Malone-George and I hope I'm not pushing either into a corner. <grin> Regards, Jim Young