Though I might as well jump in here. Judy, I have a bunch of stuff on this family even thogh it is not my direct line. Do you have a copy of one of George Washington Sumpter's son's notes on this family. (Sorry I can't think of a name right now.) Anyway send me your e-mail address and I will send you several attachments that could help or maybe confuse you even more. Jim Landrum Decendant of Henry John Henry Emanuel Verna My e-mail address is Jpiccafe@aol.com. I think Jane and Jim will vouch for my research.