ATTENTION: All SUMPTER list members. For the past four years in search of my ancestors, I've been collecting SUMPTER data and entering it into my Family Origins genealogy software program. For the purpose of generating activity and discussion, about every two or three weeks, I'm hoping to put different SUMPTER/SUMTER lines and/or family groups on the SUMPTER list. As a result of others joining the discussion and sharing their data, perhaps overtime, I will be able to put together a comprehensive SUMPTER/SUMTER database linking the majority the descendants to their immigrant SUMPTER ancestor. I have no intentions of selling the database or publishing a book; however, at some point, I will probably distribute the data to organizations for free use by other SUMPTER researchers. Such repositories could be: Ancestry.com; LDS in Salt Lake City; RootsWeb World GenConnect, etc. This post is a first in a series of posts for the purpose of generating activity on the list, possibly assisting descendants of this line and requesting additional information to complete family groups including soliciting comments on any errors. These posts are not intended to be the source documentation for any connection; rather, the information should be viewed as a clue to where/when the connections can be documented and for initiating further research. Ancestors of Robert Osborn SUMPTER and Erbin SUMPTER will follow later. Happy Huntin' Jim Young - -------------------------- Ancestors of Walter SUMPTER - 21 Jan 2000 - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- FIRST GENERATION 1. Walter SUMPTER was born on 30 Mar 1916 in Braggs, Muskogee Co., OK. He died unknown. SECOND GENERATION 2. Elias Edgent "Polly" SUMPTER was born on 9 Jan 1886 in Joplin, MO. He died on 9 May 1967 in Ada, Pontatoc Co., OK. SUMPTER 1967 ( son of John Elias Sumpter-) Funeral rites today will be conducted for Polly Sumpter (Elias E. Sumpter) age 83 who died Tuesday morning in Ada, Okla. Mr. Sumpter was born in January 9, 1884 at Joplin, MO. but lived most of his life in the Konawa community. Burial will be in the Vamoosa Cemetery. Survivors include two daughters: Mrs. Jessie Grant, Konawa and Mrs. Pauline Choate of Phoenix, Arizona. and four sons; Walter Sumpter of Woodville, Calif, and Richard Vernon and Dib all of Phoenix, Ariz. One brother Louis Sumpter of Ramona, Okla. three sisters; Madeline Mason, Okla. City. Okla., Belle Gullett, Hominy, Okla., and Earnestine Ledford of Pawhuska: 15 grands, 10 great grands. (Source: Judy Grimes) He was married to Susie Elizabeth SUMTER on 4 Jul 1915 in Braggs, Muskogee Co., OK. 3. Susie Elizabeth SUMTER was born on 14 Oct 1897 in Braggs, Oklahoma Indian Territory. (Source: Barbara Jones <jones332@brightok.net>) She died on 22 Feb 1975 in Phoenix, AZ. She is buried in Greenwood Memorial Cemetery, Phoenix. Elias Edgent "Polly" SUMPTER and Susie Elizabeth SUMTER had the following children: 1 i. Walter SUMPTER. ii. Jessie Francis SUMPTER (surviving). iii. Willie SUMPTER was born about 15 Jul 1919 in Braggs, Muskogee Co., OK. He died about 15 Jul 1919 in Braggs, Muskogee Co., OK. iv. Richard Thomas SUMPTER was born on 13 Feb 1921 in Braggs, Muskogee Co., OK. He died on 14 Oct 1995. v. Pauline Elie SUMPTER (surviving). vi. Etta Ruth SUMPTER was born on 31 Aug 1927 in Pawhuska, Osage Co., OK. She died unknown. vii. Vernon Lloyd SUMPTER (surviving). viii. Dib SUMPTER (surviving). THIRD GENERATION 4. John Elias SUMPTER was born on 10 May 1865 in Carthage, Jasper Co., MO. (Source: Judy Hugg Grimes, Yorba Linda, CA <MEGBR549@aol.com>) He died on 22 Jan 1941 in Pawhuska, Osage Co., OK. "We wish to express our appreciation for the many acts of kindness, from our friends during the death of our father. Mr and mrs. J.W. Gullett, Mrs L.C. Sumpter, Mrs. Earnestine Leadford, Mrs Madeline Mason, Mr. Fred Sumpter FUNERAL RITES FOR J.E. SUMPTER Sumpter, a native of Carthage, MO. is survived by three sons, Elias Sumpter of California, Lewis Sumpter of Bartlesville, OK, and Fred Sumpter of Tulsa. Three daughters: Mrs Madeline Mason of Blanchard, OK, Mrs Ernestine Leadford of Pawhuska OK, Mrs. Belle Gullett of Pawhuska, OK, and a sister Mrs. Hester Sumpter of Pawhuska and a brother, Henry Sumpter of California. 35 grandchildren and 29 g g grandchildren. Burial in the city cemetery of Pawhuska, Okla. Jan 22, 1941." (Source: Judy Grimes) He was married to Mariah C. "Doan" DENNIS on 13 Apr 1885 in Shell Knob, Barry Co., MO. (Source: Barbara Jones) "Our family story was that John, wife "Doan" and babies were making a wagon crossing and the wagon overturned. She drowned. John and the babies and a mule made it to land and walked for two days and were rescued by a colored family living in a soddy house. They lived there with them until the family could be notified and could come for them. John moved into Kansas and met his wife to be, Annie Pearl Criss Sumpter and married her in Okla City in June 1894." (Source: Judy Hugg Grimes) 5. Mariah C. "Doan" DENNIS was born about 1870 in MO. She died about 1891. John Elias SUMPTER and Mariah C. "Doan" DENNIS had the following children: 2 i. Elias Edgent "Polly" SUMPTER. ii. Madeline SUMPTER was born on 23 May 1889. She died on 25 Nov 1968. 6. George Washington SUMTER was born on 25 Sep 1859 in NC. He died 29 Feb 1941 in Pawhuska, Osage Co., OK. He and Georgeann are buried in the Indian Pappin Cemetery on San Creek near Pawhuska and have no headstone. (Source: Barbara Jones) He was married to Georgeann DUNCAN on 20 Sep 1886 in Muskogee, OK. They had to marry twice in order for her to get her Indian land. (Source Barbara Jones) 7. Georgeann DUNCAN was born on 28 Oct 1861 in Cherokee Nation, Georgia. She died on 29 Jul 1929 in Pawhuska, Osage Co., OK. George Washington SUMTER and Georgeann DUNCAN had the following children: i. Thomas E. SUMTER was born on 17 Apr 1888 in Tahlequah, Cherokee Nation, Oklahoma Indian Territory. He died on 4 Aug 1921. ii. Alice Bell SUMTER was born on 26 Mar 1890 in Tahlequah, Cherokee Nation, Oklahoma Indian Territory. She died on 14 Nov 1973. iii. Mammie Lebanie SUMTER was born on 28 Feb 1892 in Braggs, Muskogee Co., OK. She died on 24 Feb 1925. iv. Mattie Virginia SUMTER was born on 11 Jan 1894. She died on 17 Mar 1972. 3 v. Susie Elizabeth SUMTER. vi. George Maryland "Buster" SUMTER was born on 3 Sep 1901. He died in Nov 1969. FOURTH GENERATION 8. Erbin SUMPTER was born in 1819 in Franklin Co., IN. He was married to Eliza HARGIS on 18 Mar 1839 in Washington Co., MO. Washington Co., MO Marriage Record Book. 18 Mar 1839 SUMPTOR, URBIN HARGIS, ELIZA A Information obtained from: 1850 Reynolds Co., MO census 1860 Johnson Co., AR census 1870 Barry Co., MO census 1880 Madison Co., AR 1900 Dewey Co., OK Territory 9. Eliza HARGIS was born in 1819 in IN. According to Anna Lee Jones, Eliza HARGIS was a full-blood Cherokee and accompanied her family from Georgia on the Trail of Tears. Her mother died on the trail and her father turned her over to another Indian family to raise. Erbin SUMPTER and Eliza HARGIS had the following children: i. James SUMPTER was born in Jan 1844 in MO. ii. Alexander SUMPTER was born in 1845 in MO. iii. Pamela SUMPTER was born in 1848 in MO. iv. William Buchanan "Buck" SUMPTER was born in 1850 in Washington Co., MO. He died in 1899. v. Linda SUMPTER was born in 1852 in MO. vi. Joseph SUMPTER was born in 1854 in AR. vii. Nancy SUMPTER was born in 1856 in AR. viii. Senith Hester SUMPTER was born in Sep 1863 in AR. She died on 25 Feb 1942 in Pawhuska, Osage Co., OK. She was buried on 1 Mar 1942 in Pawhuska Cemetery. 4 ix. John Elias SUMPTER. x. Henry SUMPTER was born in Sep 1868 in MO. He died in 1941. 10. Elias DENNIS. He was married to Sarah CARNEY. 11. Sarah CARNEY. Elias DENNIS and Sarah CARNEY had the following children: 5 i. Mariah C. "Doan" DENNIS. ii. Norah A. DENNIS. 12. Robert Osborn SUMPTER. He was married to Margaret V. PITNER. 13. Margaret V. PITNER. (Source: Jerry Daniel <jerryh.daniel@excite.com>, SUMPTER GenForum) Robert Osborn SUMPTER and Margaret V. PITNER had the following children: i. John William SUMTER died on 15 Dec 1915. (Source:Ronnia Manasco <tumanasco@hotmail.com>) (Source: Jerry Daniel <jerryh.daniel@excite.com>, SUMPTER GenForum) 6 ii. George Washington SUMTER. Prepared by: Jim Young RR 3 Box 329-A McAlester, OK 74501 918-423-4788 myoung@icok.net

thanks for taking info from several sources and making it known to all. I appreciate your help and the brain power to put all the puzzle pieces together. However, I do wish that it be given for free-never sold. I don't think information freely traded among familys is something we would enjoy having our descendents have to pay for to get from ancestry.com or other pay for view search engines. I am not against free enterprise at all and I believe those businesses are a great help to us. But, I do have a little qualm-okay, a big one, against sending in gedcoms and then having them sold back to me the next month on a cd or by paying a fee to access. Thank you for giving me credit for sending in the info-but I must tell you that the obits and the hard docs were kept lovingly in a old scrapbook by Belle Forrest Sumpter Gullett and she would be blessed to know that her descendents were treasuring the knowledge within those writings. Please, do not put this on the web if you think it will open up some kind of discussion war I think "flaming" is unfortunate. I do appreciate your work. Keep it up. judy grimes

Hi, I have never been past oklahoma-going east. So, can not give you directions for the Cain Ford Cemetery in Putnam co. Tennessee. I found the listing on the tennessee, web page-genweb under cemetery-I believe there were several counties listed. The directions were posted with the information. I did not copy them-sorry. I guess it is a lesson for me. I will copy the directions from now on. Maybe someone at the rootsweb mailing list could help? I do not have the url either-red faced in CA. Judy grimes

Am curious about this Sumpter...does anyone know where this Margaret was born and married, especially during this time period. Thanks, Tom Spradling -----Original Message----- From: jmgeorge@dubuque.net [mailto:jmgeorge@dubuque.net] Sent: Friday, January 04, 1980 10:08 AM To: SUMPTER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SUMPTER] Margaret Sumpter Warnock Susan Warnock, I received your email concerning Margaret Sumpter born in the mid 1700s who married Joseph Warnock probably in the late 1780s. Two years ago, Dick Warnock emailed me asking about Margaret and if I had any information about her parents and sibblings. Unfortunately, I can only guess about Margaret's parents. Dick Warnock, if you are on the Sumpter rootsweb, perhaps you and Susan can compare notes. I am sorry to say that I lost your email address, Dick, or I would just send it to Susan. Jane Sumpter Malone-George ==== SUMPTER Mailing List ==== REMINDER ! ! ! RootsWeb has installed a SmartList hack to block file attachment s (including VCARDS), HTML messages and enriched text postings and will return t hem to the sender. =======================================================

SUMPTER, John D. 1853 - 1938 SUMPTER, Ellen M. 1858 - 1941/6 SUMPTER, Charley H., 1873 - 1967 SUMPTER, Frances, 1875 -1941

It is so nice to finally see the action on this board. It has been a long time in coming but all it takes is one of us and then we take off again. I am still looking for the descendants of my Letha Sumpter. Recently I found a distant cousin who has information on Letha's full siblings. What I mean by full is the children from Johns Mariage to Mary Lawson. Ok now anyone can correct me if I am wrong in any way on Mary. I accept it with no ill will. Lucinda married Johnathon Eoff then married an unkown Mr. Williams. Just always looking in high hopes of finding something somewere that will tell me anythign more on her. Thank you all for a great job. DdHober <A HREF="http://hometown.aol.com/d2hober/recipes.htm">Dees Recipes & Recipe Exchange</A> <A HREF="http://hometown.aol.com/ddhober/home.htm">Home</A> <A HREF="http://www.uftree.com/UFT/WebPages/DoubleD/DOUBLED/nindex.htm#BROWN"> Brown Family: Index</A>

On the 8th, day of June 1879, I obtained a marriage license from G.W. Wilson, County Judge of Pontatoo County Chickasaw Nation Indian Territory and on said day and date intermarried with Nancy Gibson, a Choctaw Indian by blood who has always been known and recognized as a full blood Choctaw Indian according to the laws and customs then prevailing in the Indian Territory. I paid five dollars to the County judge for said licence and was married by an Indian by the name of Chikaka or Coidaly which, I think means 'Wild Cat' in English, who was a duly ordained or licensed Minister of the Gospel. I am well and personally acquainted with Nancy Sumpter nee Nancy Gibson and she has always been known and recognized as a full blood Choctaw indian and has always particpated and shared in the funds and annuities of the Choctaw Indians whenever there was a distribution of Indian funds. I have lived near Paoli Indian Territory for a number of years and have owned and held lands and improvements ever since the aforesaid marriage with Nancy Gibson by and with the consent and approval of the Indian Government, and was on the 14th day of December 1886, recognized by the authorities of the Santa Fe Railway Company as the legal owner and holder of the aforesaid lands and improvements and in token of said recognition by said Santa Fe Railway I have attached to my application for citizenship in the Choctaw Nation a copy of the award and findings of the Commissioners of said Railway Company signed by the chairman of said commission, showing that I received Sixty dollars from said Railway Co. for the Right of way or privilege of said Railway passing over my said lands. That there have been born to me and my said wife Nancy Sumpter, Johnie, age 14 years; Amanda age 7 years; Jimmie age 5 years; and Scott Sumpter 3 years; who are all now living with us near Paoli Ind. Territory. I have a number of witnesses to the above facts who absolutely refuse to testify in my case and I have no way to compell them to testify. Subscribed and sworn to by Jacob D. Sumpter this the 2nd day of September A.D. 1896 Jacob D. Sumpter's age upon Choctaw Nation Roll application was: 42 Jacob D. Sumpter's father: E. D. Sumpter (Non-Indian) Jacob D. Sumpter's mother: Blank (Non-Indian) Susan Cade Lenape2@msn.com

My father was a Sumpter and was named Tecumseh Sumpter. He had several brothers and sisters. The sister was Nancy Sumpter Harjo b. Dec 10, 1922 (Tulsa area), Florence Sumpter (Fairfax area) John W. Sumpter b. May 20, 1924, Mamie Sumpter, Cleo and Leo Sumpter, and Alice Sumpter parents were John E. Sumpter and Amanda Lomer Grandparents Jacob Dozel Sumpter and Nancy Gibson On the 8th, day of June 1879, I obtained a marriage license from G.W. Wilson, County Judge of Pontatoo County Chickasaw Nation Indian Territory and on said day and date intermarried with Nancy Gibson, a Choctaw Indian by blood who has always been known and recognized as a full blood Choctaw Indian according to the laws and customs then prevailing in the Indian Territory. I paid five dollars to the County judge for said licence and was married by an Indian by the name of Chikaka or Coidaly which, I think means 'Wild Cat' in English, who was a duly ordained or licensed Minister of the Gospel. I am well and personally acquainted with Nancy Sumpter nee Nancy Gibson and she has always been known and recognized as a full blood Choctaw indian and has always particpated and shared in the funds and annuities of the Choctaw Indians whenever there was a distribution of Indian funds. I have lived near Paoli Indian Territory for a number of years and have owned and held lands and improvements ever since the aforesaid marriage with Nancy Gibson by and with the consent and approval of the Indian Government, and was on the 14th day of December 1886, recognized by the authorities of the Santa Fe Railway Company as the legal owner and holder of the aforesaid lands and improvements and in token of said recognition by said Santa Fe Railway I have attached to my application for citizenship in the Choctaw Nation a copy of the award and findings of the Commissioners of said Railway Company signed by the chairman of said commission, showing that I received Sixty dollars from said Railway Co. for the Right of way or privilege of said Railway passing over my said lands. That there have been born to me and my said wife Nancy Sumpter, Johnie, age 14 years; Amanda age 7 years; Jimmie age 5 years; and Scott Sumpter 3 years; who are all now living with us near Paoli Ind. Territory. I have a number of witnesses to the above facts who absolutely refuse to testify in my case and I have no way to compell them to testify. Subscribed and sworn to by Jacob D. Sumpter this the 2nd day of September A.D. 1896 Jacob D. Sumpter's age upon Choctaw Nation Roll application was: 42 Jacob D. Sumpter's father: E. D. Sumpter (Non-Indian) Jacob D. Sumpter's mother: Blank (Non-Indian) Any relatives? Susan Cade Lenape2@msn.com

Judy, I have a copy of her rejected enrollment card. My family in the Old Cherokee family are my Duncan line. I should have made myself more clear. After I just read what I wrote it sounded like I meant the Sumpter line. Barbara -----Original Message----- From: MEGBR549@aol.com <MEGBR549@aol.com> To: SUMPTER-L@rootsweb.com <SUMPTER-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2000 4:11 PM Subject: Re: [SUMPTER] Cherokee >So.....the books on the indian lineages show that Hester Sumpter was refused? >Do you have the quote from the book? thanks, Judy grimes > > >==== SUMPTER Mailing List ==== >NOTICE !!!! RootsWeb prohibits posting test messages, virus warnings, chain letters, political announcements, current events, missing children reports, flames, etc. (in other words - SPAM) to the list. Such postings could result in your removal from the list for a period of time. For information on virus hoaxes see <http://www.kumite.com/myths/>. >======================================================= > >

Hello all, Got this off another list and found it interesting. Thought some of you might enjoy as we think of our relatives at the beginning of the "previous" century. Michele (From a book called "When My Grandmother Was a Child" by Leigh W. Rutledge, which begins, "In the summer of 1900, when my grandmother was a child...") - The average life expectancy in the United States was forty-seven. - Only 14 percent of the homes in the United States had a bathtub. - Only 8 percent of the homes had a telephone. A three-minute call from Denver to New York City cost eleven dollars. - There were only 8,000 cars in the US and only 144 miles of paved roads. The maximum speed limit in most cities was ten mph. - Alabama, Mississippi, Iowa, and Tennessee were each more heavily populated than California. With a mere 1.4 million residents, California was only the twenty-first most populous state in the Union. - The tallest structure in the world was the Eiffel Tower. - The average wage in the US was twenty-two cents an hour. The average US worker made between $200 and $400 per year. - A competent accountant could expect to earn $2000 per year, a dentist $2500 per year, a veterinarian between $1500 and $4000 per year, and a mechanical engineer about $5000 per year. - More than 95 percent of all births in the United States took place at home. - Ninety percent of all US physicians had no college education. Instead, they attended medical schools, many of which were condemned in the press and by the government as "substandard." - Sugar cost four cents a pound. Eggs were fourteen cents a dozen. Coffee cost fifteen cents a pound. - Most women only washed their hair once a month and used borax or egg yolks for shampoo. - Canada passed a law prohibiting poor people from entering the country for any reason, either as travelers or immigrants. - The five leading causes of death in the US were: 1. Pneumonia and influenza, 2. Tuberculosis, 3. Diarrhea, 4. Heart disease, 5. Stroke. - The American flag had 45 stars. Arizona, Oklahoma, New Mexico, Hawaii and Alaska hadn't been admitted to the Union yet. - Drive-by shootings -- in which teenage boys galloped down the street on horses and started randomly shooting at houses, carriages, or anything else that caught their fancy -- were an ongoing problem in Denver and other cities in the West. - The population of Las Vegas, Nevada was thirty. The remote desert community was inhabited by only a handful of ranchers and their families. - Plutonium, insulin, and antibiotics hadn't been discovered yet. Scotch tape, crossword puzzles, canned beer, and iced tea hadn't been invented. - There was no Mother's Day or Father's Day. - One in ten US adults couldn't read or write. Only 6 percent of all Americans had graduated from high school. - Some medical authorities warned that professional seamstresses were apt to become sexually aroused by the steady rhythm, hour after hour, of the sewing machine's foot pedals. They recommended slipping bromide-which was thought to diminish sexual desire-into the women's drinking water. - Marijuana, heroin, and morphine were all available over the counter at corner drugstores. According to one pharmacist, "Heroin clears the complexion, gives buoyancy to the mind, regulates the stomach and the bowels, and is, in fact, a perfect guardian of health." - Coca-Cola contained cocaine instead of caffeine. - Punch-card data processing had recently been developed, and early predecessors of the modern computer were used for the first time by the government to help compile the 1900 census. - Eighteen percent of households in the United States had at least one full-time servant or domestic. - There were about 230 reported murders in the US annually.

The book "Old Cherokee Families" by Emmet Starr has a wealth of information on the old Cherokee. I has by whole line in it but some bio. of the family. The refused Sumpter, Hester is the daughter of Erbin Sumpter and Eliza Hargis. She married Albert Sumter. Layfayett, and Birdie was the son and daughter of Hester Sumpter and Albert Sumter. -----Original Message----- From: Jim Young <myoung@icok.net> To: SUMPTER-L@rootsweb.com <SUMPTER-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2000 9:38 AM Subject: Re: [SUMPTER] Cherokee >The poster, Jeremy L Beller <jbeller1@juno.com>, of this message does not >appear to be neither a legitimate SUMTER/SUMPTER descendant nor >researcher. I suspect that this individual is an agent to sell books for >the referenced website. > >BEWARE! I don't know anything about the reputation of these folks selling >books. However, most of these books are available in either genealogy or >public libraries. > >Best regards, > >Jim Young >SUMPTER listowner >==================== > >At 11:47 PM 01/16/2000 -0500, Jeremy L Beller <jbeller1@juno.com> wrote: >>There are 5 Sumpter who sued to obtain Cherokee citizenship in the late >>1800's, >>claiming they were of Cherokee descent! There is a huge, complete full >>name index of all these people at http://members.aol.com/rarebk/ >> >>They were Birdie, Hester, Lafayette, Minnie, Mt. Edney >> >>I also found a surname index to another Cherokee book at the site, an old >> >>book, supposedly rare, called Old Cherokee Families and their genealogy, >>with a lot of English names. There is some Creek Indian genealogy info >>as well. >> >>If you go there to the sites main page, click on the Booklists page, and >>then >>slowly scroll down past some old genealogy book titles until you get to >>the >>Cherokee section. There are some Cherokee genealogy books there, and at >>least two of them has this complete index posted. Quite fascinating! >> >>Jeremy >> >>________________________________________________________________ >>YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! >>Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! >>Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: >>http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. >> >> >>==== SUMPTER Mailing List ==== >>Research friendly!!! Treat other researchers as you wish to be treated!!! >>======================================================= > > >==== SUMPTER Mailing List ==== >Have you posted your line or query lately? A recently joined cousin may help you make a connection!!! >REMINDER ! ! ! Send your messages to: SUMPTER-L@rootsweb.com >======================================================= > >

So.....the books on the indian lineages show that Hester Sumpter was refused? Do you have the quote from the book? thanks, Judy grimes

The poster, Jeremy L Beller <jbeller1@juno.com>, of this message does not appear to be neither a legitimate SUMTER/SUMPTER descendant nor researcher. I suspect that this individual is an agent to sell books for the referenced website. BEWARE! I don't know anything about the reputation of these folks selling books. However, most of these books are available in either genealogy or public libraries. Best regards, Jim Young SUMPTER listowner ==================== At 11:47 PM 01/16/2000 -0500, Jeremy L Beller <jbeller1@juno.com> wrote: >There are 5 Sumpter who sued to obtain Cherokee citizenship in the late >1800's, >claiming they were of Cherokee descent! There is a huge, complete full >name index of all these people at http://members.aol.com/rarebk/ > >They were Birdie, Hester, Lafayette, Minnie, Mt. Edney > >I also found a surname index to another Cherokee book at the site, an old > >book, supposedly rare, called Old Cherokee Families and their genealogy, >with a lot of English names. There is some Creek Indian genealogy info >as well. > >If you go there to the sites main page, click on the Booklists page, and >then >slowly scroll down past some old genealogy book titles until you get to >the >Cherokee section. There are some Cherokee genealogy books there, and at >least two of them has this complete index posted. Quite fascinating! > >Jeremy > >________________________________________________________________ >YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! >Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! >Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: >http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > >==== SUMPTER Mailing List ==== >Research friendly!!! Treat other researchers as you wish to be treated!!! >=======================================================

There are 5 Sumpter who sued to obtain Cherokee citizenship in the late 1800's, claiming they were of Cherokee descent! There is a huge, complete full name index of all these people at http://members.aol.com/rarebk/ They were Birdie, Hester, Lafayette, Minnie, Mt. Edney I also found a surname index to another Cherokee book at the site, an old book, supposedly rare, called Old Cherokee Families and their genealogy, with a lot of English names. There is some Creek Indian genealogy info as well. If you go there to the sites main page, click on the Booklists page, and then slowly scroll down past some old genealogy book titles until you get to the Cherokee section. There are some Cherokee genealogy books there, and at least two of them has this complete index posted. Quite fascinating! Jeremy ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

I hope this isn't plagerism. I'm copying this out of the book "Gamecock- The Life and Campaigns of General Thomas Sumter." by Robert D. Bass. I hope it helps some of you. Page 258 paragraph 2 "Sumter is from "sumpter," a word which comes from Old French sommetier, which is derived from Latin sagma, a packsaddle. Sumpter designates an animal used to transport baggage, as a sumpter horse, and also a driver of such animals. In England in the thirteenth century sumpter changed from an occupation to a proper name. Family tradition says that the Sumpters came from Wales. Thomas Sumter spelled his name Sumpter or Sumter. On January 31, 1792, he signed his congressional pay voucher as Thomas Sumpter, but on March 2, 1792, and thereafter he signed it Thomas Sumter.

Polly's wife Susie Sumter was the dughter of George W. Sumter and Georgeann Duncan. Polly's father was John Sumpter, son of Erbin sumpter and Eliza Hargis. Barbara Jones. -----Original Message----- From: Jim Young <myoung@icok.net> To: SUMPTER-L@rootsweb.com <SUMPTER-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Thursday, January 13, 2000 9:21 AM Subject: Re: [SUMPTER] george washington sumpter? >At 03:48 AM 01/13/2000 -0500, MEGBR549@aol.com wrote: >>Notice the father of Erbin Sumpter is george washington sumpter and also the >>entry of Erbins grandsons wife as being daughter of george washington >>sumpter--are there two george washingtons ??do you know dates or documentary >>evidence. Pollys wife could not logically be his great grandfathers sister.? >>Help me out--I am getting confused. Please. thanks judy > > >There are several with the name George W. SUMPTER ... I have four (4) in my >database. > >George W. SUMPTER, b. 1807; m. Elizabeth Ann ATKINS; parents, Richard >SUMPTER & Mary KINGREY. > >George W. SUMPTER, b. 1883; m. Evaline CRABTREE; parents, Joseph SUMPTER & >Rebecca WOOD OWL. > >George W. SUMPTER, b. 1874; m. Frona Belle DANIELS; parents, George W. >SUMPTER & Evaline CRABTREE. > >George W. SUMPTER, b. 1887; p, Robert M. SUMPTER & Elizabeth BRADSHAW. > >There are several with the name George Washington SUMPTER/SUMTER ... I >have five (5) in my database. > >George Washington SUMPTER, b. 1777; m. (1) Susanna MAYSE, (2) Nancy POWERS; >p. Henry SUMPTER & Agnes DILLION. > >George Washington SUMPTER Jr, b. 1824; m. Anna (unknown); p, George >Washington SUMPTER & Nancy POWERS. > >George Washington SUMPTER, b. 1847; m. Eliza Catherine CAMDEN; p. Henry >SUMPTER & Nancy BILYEU. > >George Washington SUMPTER Jr, b. 1883; m. Lydia Jane HAWTHORNE; p; George >Washington SUMPTER & Eliza Catherine CAMDEN. > >George Washington SUMTER, b. unknown; m. Georgann DUNCAN; p. unknown. > >Please feel free to comment on any errors and make any additions. > >Jim Young > > > >==== SUMPTER Mailing List ==== >The Searchable Surname Archives for Rootsweb lists can be found at: >http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl >------------------------------------------- >Find easy instructions for using RootsWeb's Search Engine for the Archives at: >http://www.shelby.net/shelby/jr/robertsn/rwsearch.htm >======================================================= > >

Dear Judy, The George W. Sumpter that was the father of Erbin Sumpter that married Eliza Hargis. is not the father of Susie Sumter or married to Georgeann Duncan. Erbin Sumpter was the father of John Sumpter that was the father of E.E.Polly Sumpter that married Susie Sumter. George Washington Sumpter the father of Erbin married Nancy Powers. Erbin can be found on the 1850 Reynold Co. Mo. Censu, 1860 Johnson Co. Ar. 1870 Barry Co. Mo. and 1880 Madison Co. Ark. censis. Not Erbin but his decentendts . Also 1900 Dewey Co., Ok. Terr. Barbara Jones decentent of John Sumpter and George Sumter -----Original Message----- From: MEGBR549@aol.com <MEGBR549@aol.com> To: SUMPTER-L@rootsweb.com <SUMPTER-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Thursday, January 13, 2000 2:11 PM Subject: Re: [SUMPTER] george washington sumpter? >Bev. I only know what Jim Young sent me that a george washington sumpter was >father of a daughter, Susan Elizabeth Sumter and Georgann Duncan in Okla. >And, a George washington sumpter was father of my Erbin Sumpter married to >Eliza Hargis in MO. >(the daughter of a george washington sumpter marries the g g grandson of a >george washington sumpter.) this is what is confusing me. I am in the area >of getting new names of new generations and I do not have any documentation >and trying to figgure out if the facts are true. If you have a census or >anything--to help me please just let me know what year or where and I will >look it up. If there is anything I can do to help you--please let me know. >I have pretty good files from about 1890's to present--but am shy on the >0lder stuff. thanks JUDY > > >==== SUMPTER Mailing List ==== >Have a question, recommendation or comment about RootsWeb or this list, please direct same to the list moderator: Jim Young <myoung@icok.net> >Issues of general membership interest should be directed to the list: SUMPTER-L@rootsweb.com >======================================================= > >

Dear Jean Charlie L. Sumter was born 2 Feb 1891 In Indian Terr. Oklahoma . Died 05 April 1974 In Pawhuska, Oklahoma and buried in the city cemetery. Married Naomi Avery Jan 1913. Charles parents were Albert Sumter and Hester Sumpter. Naomi Avery's parents were Robert Avery and Emma Dalton. Children were Luter Sumter 11 Sep 1914, Blanchard Ok roy L. Sumter, 08 Oct 1915 Wyona Sumter , 12 Nov. 1916 Johnnin Sumter 18 March 1919 Louise Sumter , 18 march 1919 James H. Sumter, th21 Pauline Sumter, 1923 Paul Sumter, 1923 Twin to Pauline Dee w. Sumter 1925 Betty Sumter Wood 1927 Deck Sumter, 1930 Martha Jean , 1932 Information from Luther Sumter eldes son. Luther is my mother's first cousin. Albert Sumter is my great uncle on my grandmother's side and Hester Sumpter is my great Aunt on My Grandfather's side. I have a lot of information to share on the Sumter and Sumpter side of the family Barbara Jones -----Original Message----- From: jmgeorge@dubuque.net <jmgeorge@dubuque.net> To: SUMPTER-L@rootsweb.com <SUMPTER-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday, January 16, 2000 9:07 AM Subject: [SUMPTER] Sumpter family >Several of you have questions about Sumpters which I might be able to answer, >at least, partly, if I have more information. I decided to put these >questions >on the rootsweb hoping that other researchers could add their information to >your questions. > >Judy Grimes: you mentioned that Erbin is George Washington Sumpter's son and >you are confused about Erbin's grandson marrying George WashingtonSumpter's >daughter. Who is the grandson? What is the daughter's name? Several folks >have sent me data about Missouri and Oklahoma Sumpters which is in my card >file >by first name and date of birth. With that data, perhaps I can help. > >Michele White: you have done a wonderful job adding many names and obits to >the Sumpter files. Many, many thanks. However, I do not have Charles >Sumpter, >husband of Naomi Avery Sumpter in my files. Do you have birth and death dates >for him and perhaps his parents' names? Actually, he may be in my files but >under a middle name. Thanks. > >Walter Sumpter: many thanks for the data about General Sumter spelling his >name with out the 'p' on military records. Now I wonder if it was just a >mistake or if he really meant to delete it. Any thoughts, anybody???? > >I think it is great that the SUMPTER rootsweb has more activity....keep the >facts and questions coming, folks. > >Jane Sumpter Malone-George > > >==== SUMPTER Mailing List ==== >The Searchable Surname Archives for Rootsweb lists can be found at: >http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl >------------------------------------------- >Find easy instructions for using RootsWeb's Search Engine for the Archives at: >http://www.shelby.net/shelby/jr/robertsn/rwsearch.htm >======================================================= > >

Thank you for the posting to try to answer the "p" question. In the family in Pawhuska I suppose if a sumpter marries a sumter--theres enough generations apart to not cause concern? judy

Barbara, I am just trying to answer in order you sent. This sumpter and sumter-thing. I sent it out on roots web and this morning got a question if they were indian lineage? I said I don't think so, but grandma gullett said that the nora buckhardus (HARGIS) thing ---she thought was Indian. So, do you have any documentation that the native american line comes into the sumpter/sumter familys through the Hargis line? Judy Also, someone said that the Sumter was a general who decided to take out the "P". Do you have any legends or docs on that? JUDY