The Draper papers I have only mention Robert O. Sumter in them, alone with his sister Caroline. It says he was a tanner and was the Son of John Sumter and Sarah Emily Miller. I will look more there are so many I have not even read. Barbara ----- Original Message ----- From: <jmgeorge@dubuque.net> To: <SUMPTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 04, 1980 3:25 PM Subject: Re: [SUMPTER] Re:Georgia Etta Sumpter > At 08:35 PM 1/29/00 -0800, you wrote: > >My GGrandmother was Georgia Etta SUMPTER, daughter of Robert Osborn > >SUMPTER and Margaret V. PITNER. Much information was given to me from a > >relative in Tahlequah, OK. She lists the Draper Papers as a source. Can > >someone please tell me what they are? Thanks, > > > >April Ruygt > >Napa, CA > >april@napanet.net > > > > > >==== SUMPTER Mailing List ==== > >RootsWeb is monetarily supported by its users who voluntarily become a > Contributor, Sponsor, or Donor and renew on an annual basis. Review how > your monetary support can benefit you and also contribute toward RootsWeb's > efforts in making huge amounts of genealogical data freely available to > Internet genealogists: http://www.rootsweb.com > >===================================================== > > > >The Draper Papers were compiled by Dr. Lyman C. Draper during the latter part > of the 1800s. Dr. Draper contacted family and friends of men who had been > officers in the American Revolution...hence a lengthy group of letters from > Sumpter/Sumter related people. > > The original papers are archived at the Wisconsin Historical Society in > Madison, WI. However, there are many microfilms of the papers in various > libraries around the country. During the 1970s, I received on interlibrary > loan, only those films which pertained to General Thomas Sumter and excerpted > what I thought pertinent to my search. The films cannot be taken from the > library and one must find time and a reader to search them. > > Also, we must remember that these letters to Dr. Draper were written between > 75 and 100 years after Gen. Sumter lived and fought in the Revolution. Time, > family history, continued use of same first names, etc., all greatly confuse > a true story. > > To my knowledge, there is no written transcript of the Sumpter/Sumter papers > in the Draper collection. My suggestion would be to get the films on loan and > study them. Each one of us who reads them will probably find information that > escapted the prior reader. Result is that everyone will add to our findings. > > Jane Sumpter Malone-George > > > ==== SUMPTER Mailing List ==== > Have you posted your line or query lately? A recently joined cousin may help you make a connection!!! > REMINDER ! ! ! Send your messages to: SUMPTER-L@rootsweb.com > ======================================================= > >

These Sumpter burial places were personally observed by me on 25 August 1999 at the Pump Cemetery in Iron County Missouri. Many Iron County cemeteries are transcribed and available for download at the Iron County GenWeb page. My records on this seem to be in a little more detail. After about looking at the first fourth of the alphabet (cemeteries) , no other Sumpter burials are yet found. Emmitt Sumpter 8/26/1920-3/31/1996 Jerry Dean Sumpter 3/18/1951-2/10/1995 Ruth E Sumpter 7/9/1950-4/8/1952 Shirley A Sumpter 11/30/1936-10/16/1938 Levi Sumpter 1896-1938 Quincy Sumpter 1/28/1897-6/24/1961 Rosie Sumpter 3/30/1907-7/8/1987 Hope this helps someone. I am trying to find Jane Sumpter enumerated 1880 Iron County with children Samuel, Peter, Louisa and Annie. Relatively speaking Byron Nelson

My GGrandmother was Georgia Etta SUMPTER, daughter of Robert Osborn SUMPTER and Margaret V. PITNER. Much information was given to me from a relative in Tahlequah, OK. She lists the Draper Papers as a source. Can someone please tell me what they are? Thanks, April Ruygt Napa, CA april@napanet.net

At 08:37 PM 01/29/2000 -0500, JPiccafe@aol.com wrote: >Jim >I have been all over all counties and never found a James Gerald. It is very >possible that James Gerald was an agent who lived in England and worked for >others in the colonies. No other trace of George Sumpter either until the >one supposedly married to Elizabeth Gross. I spent about half a year trying >to track down either one. >Jim Landrum ---------------- Hi Jim, Thanks for the response. According to researcher, Rhonda Fleming Smith (no longer on the SUMPTER list and without source documentation), in early 1997 she alleged George SUMPTER (married to Elizabeth GROSS) was born 5 Feb 1713 in Richmond, VA, resided (date unknown) in Manchester area, Chesterfield Co, VA, married (date unknown) in Charlotte, VA, resided 1781 in Henry Co., VA and died 1806 in Montgomery Co., VA. When I asked Rhonda Fleming Smith, privately, to share her documentation sources, she indicated that she did not share her research documentation with the public. She shortly thereafter unsubscribed from the SUMPTER list and I'm not aware of her returning to the list under her known email address or a new address. I've just now looked at the history and establishment of Chesterfield County and Charlotte County in Virginia (below). It appears to me that King William Parish records, where Richard SUMPTER and Richard SUMTER paid tithes in 1744, may provide additional SUMPTER data. I'll search the LDS catalog for filmed records in both Chesterfield and Charlotte Counties and post the findings on this list. Chesterfield County was formed in 1749 from the original shire of Henrico. Parishes: Dale, King William (also Cumberland Co. 1749- 1777 & Powhatan Co. 1777- ), Manchester 1772- Charlotte County was founded in 1765, as provided by an act of the General Assembly. The ancestry of Charlotte can be traced down from Charles City County, Prince George County, Brunswick County and Lunenburg County. Early Charlotte County names are found in the Vestry Book of Cumberland Parish until the formation of Cornwall Parish in 1757. Regards, Jim Young

I seem to recall the view that the General's ancestors in England were adopted and it was not clear if the Sumpter name was theirs or that of the individuals that adopted them. The General also thought his relatives were from Wales. Jim Sumpter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Young" <myoung@icok.net> To: <SUMPTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 28, 2000 2:28 PM Subject: [SUMPTER] Early SUMPTERs > I would like to propose a project to identify SUMPTERs residing or born in > Virginia in the 1700s based on documented records (deeds, wills, probates, > tithes, birth, marriage, death, pension, immigration, bondage, etc.) and > showing their documented ancestor(s), spouse(s) and children. Secondary > sources, as long as identified as such, could be used in identifying some > SUMPTERs. Perhaps, some of this data would show a migration path for some > of our SUMPTER/SUMTER lines. > > At the moment, these documented facts are fragmented among us SUMPTER > researchers; therefore, I suggest that we attempt to consolidate our > findings in order to possibly provide clues on our individual > SUMPTER/SUMTER ancestral line back to our emigrant SUMPTER. > > I also propose that we initiate another project to transcribe public > records and abstract any copyrighted publications and post them, in > addition to the SUMPTER list, on the SUMPTER GenConnect Boards which I > administer. These SUMPTER related public records and copyrighted > publications could range from the earliest to the latest SUMPTER record in > England, USA and elswhere. > > Comments are solicited. > > Jim Young > > > ==== SUMPTER Mailing List ==== > NOTICE !!!! RootsWeb prohibits posting test messages, virus warnings, chain letters, political announcements, current events, missing children reports, flames, etc. (in other words - SPAM) to the list. Such postings could result in your removal from the list for a period of time. For information on virus hoaxes see <http://www.kumite.com/myths/>. > ======================================================= >

Jim I have been all over all counties and never found a James Gerald. It is very possible that James Gerald was an agent who lived in England and worked for others in the colonies. No other trace of George Sumpter either until the one supposedly married to Elizabeth Gross. I spent about half a year trying to track down either one. Jim Landrum

At 11:13 AM 01/04/1980 +0000, Jane Sumpter Malone-George wrote: >In the book, Emigrants from England to America, 1718-1759, by Jack and Marian >Kaminkow, there is listed George Sumpter, age 19, St. Brides, Fleet St., >London, Brickmaker, who signed with agent James Gerald to serve a five year >indenture in Virginia, 22 June 1721. George signed his name. -----------------snip-------- Does anyone have information on the Virginia county where George Sumpter, age 19, St. Brides, Fleet St., London, Brickmaker served his indentured service beginning on or about 22 June 1721? If I knew the Virginia county, I would search the LDS site for applicable records. Best regards, Jim Young

Continued: Virginia Records on LDS Film (2 of 2) ========================= Notes: Microfilm rolls are designated as: FHL US/CAN Film 908756 Microfiche sheets are designated: FHL US/CAN Fiche 6125452 & VAULT US/CAN Fiche 6105212 ================ Title: Deed books (with wills, inventories, etc.), 1728-1901; general indexes to deeds, wills, etc., 1728-1969 Authors: Virginia. County Court (Goochland County) (Main Author) General index to deeds, wills, etc., grantors 1728-1839 (Indexes deed books, v. 1-32.) FHL US/CAN Film 31651 General index to deeds, wills, etc., grantees 1728-1839 FHL US/CAN Film 31652 General index to real estate, grantors (surnames A-D) 1839-1969 (Indexes deed books, v. 32-116.) FHL US/CAN Film 1928572 Item 2 General indexes to real estate, grantors (surnames E-R) 1839-1969 FHL US/CAN Film 1928573 General indexes to real estate, grantors (surnames S-Z) 1839-1969 grantees (surnames A-D) 1839-1969 FHL US/CAN Film 1928574 General indexes to real estate, grantees (surnames E-R) 1839-1969 FHL US/CAN Film 1928575 General index to real estate, grantees (surnames S-Z) 1839-1969 FHL US/CAN Film 1928576 Item 1 Deed books [with wills, inventories, etc.], v. 1-3 1728-1742 FHL US/CAN Film 31653 Deed books [with wills, inventories, etc.], v. 4-5 1741-1749 FHL US/CAN Film 31654 Deed books [with wills, inventories, etc.], v. 6-8 1749-1765 FHL US/CAN Film 31655 Deed books [with wills, inventories, etc.], v. 9-11 1765-1777 FHL US/CAN Film 31656 Deed books [with wills, inventories, etc.], v. 12-14 1777-1788 FHL US/CAN Film 31657 Deed books [with wills, inventories, etc.], v. 15-16 1788-1796 FHL US/CAN Film 31658 Deed books [with wills, inventories, etc.], v. 17-18 1796-1804 FHL US/CAN Film 31659 Deed books [with wills, inventories, etc.], v. 19-20 1804-1810 FHL US/CAN Film 31660 Deed books [with wills, inventories, etc.], v. 21-22 1810-1817 FHL US/CAN Film 31661 Deed books [with wills, inventories, etc.], v. 23-24 1817-1821 FHL US/CAN Film 31662 Deed books [with wills, inventories, etc.], v. 25-26 1821-1826 FHL US/CAN Film 31663 Deed books [with wills, inventories, etc.], v. 27-28 1826-1831 FHL US/CAN Film 31664 Deed books [with wills, inventories, etc.], v. 29-30 1831-1836 FHL US/CAN Film 31665 ================ Title: Goochland County, Virginia, wills and deeds Authors: Weisiger, Benjamin B. (Benjamin Boisseau) , 1924- (Main Author) Also on microfiche. Salt Lake City : Filmed by the Genealogical Society of Utah, 1992. 5 microfiches. Vol. 1 (2 fiches). FHL US/CAN Fiche 6101000 Vol. 2 (2 fiches). FHL US/CAN Fiche 6104156 Vol. 3 (1 fiche). VAULT US/CAN Fiche 6104921 ================ Title: Personal property tax lists of Goochland County, 1782-1850 Authors: Virginia. Commissioner of the Revenue (Goochland County) (Main Author) Personal property tax lists, 1782-1809 FHL US/CAN Film 2024552 Personal property tax lists, 1810-1832 FHL US/CAN Film 2024553 Personal property tax lists, 1833-1850 FHL US/CAN Film 2024554 Another filming. Salt Lake City : Filmed by the Genealogical Society of Utah, 1947. on 1 microfilm reel ; 35 mm. Personal property tax lists, 1782-1803 FHL US/CAN Film 29296 ================ Title: Vestry book, 1744-1860 Authors: St. James Northam Parish (Goochland County, Virginia : Episcopal) (Main Author) Vestry book, 1744-1860 FHL US/CAN Film 33855 ================= Title: Goochland County, Virginia, wills and deeds Authors: Weisiger, Benjamin B. (Benjamin Boisseau) , 1924- (Main Author) Also on microfiche. Salt Lake City : Filmed by the Genealogical Society of Utah, 1992. 5 microfiches. Vol. 1 (2 fiches). FHL US/CAN Fiche 6101000 Vol. 2 (2 fiches). FHL US/CAN Fiche 6104156 Vol. 3 (1 fiche). VAULT US/CAN Fiche 6104921 ================= Title: The Douglas register : being a detailed record of births, marriages and deaths together with other interesting notes, as kept by the Rev. William Douglas, from 1750 to 1797 : an index of Goochland wills, notes on the French-Huguenot refugees who lived in Manakin-town Authors: Douglas, William , 1708-1798 (Main Author) Jones, W. Mac. (William Macfarlane) (Added Author) King William Parish (Powhatan County, Virginia : Episcopal) (Added Author) St. James Northam Parish (Goochland County, Virginia : Episcopal) (Added Author) Also on microfilm. Salt Lake City : Filmed by the Genealogical Society of Utah, 1950. 1 microfilm reel ; 35 mm. FHL US/CAN Film 31690 Additional microfilm copy. 1970. FHL US/CAN Film 823579 Item 3 ================ Title: Vestry book of King William Parish, Virginia, 1707-1750 Authors: King William Parish (Powhatan County, Virginia : Episcopal) (Added Author) Also on microfilm. Salt Lake City : Filmed by the Genealogical Society of Utah, 1972. on 1 microfilm reel ; 35 mm. FHL US/CAN Film 873785 Item 3 ================= Title: Master index to the Huguenot : the biennial publications of the Huguenot Society, founders of Manakin in the colony of Virginia, and, Index to vestry book of King William Parish, Virginia, 1707-1750 Authors: Goree, Langston James (Added Author) Pampell, Janice Curtis (Added Author) Huguenot Society of the Founders of Manakin in the Colony of Virginia (Added Author) Manakin Episcopal Church (Powhatan County, Virginia) (Added Author) King William Parish (Powhatan County, Virginia : Episcopal) (Subject) Also on microfilm. Salt Lake City : Filmed by the Genealogical Society of Utah, 1991. on 1 microfilm ; 35 mm. FHL US/CAN Film 1697534 Item 1 ================ Title: Goochland County, Virginia marriage bonds, 1730-1854 Authors: Ricks, Joel (Main Author) Also on microfilm. Salt Lake City : Filmed by the Genealogical Society of Utah, 1939. on 1 microfilm reel ; 35 mm. FHL US/CAN Film 899816 Item 3 Another filming. FHL US/CAN Film 962403 Item 2 ================= Title: Marriage bonds, 1730-1850 Authors: Goochland County (Virginia). County Clerk (Main Author) Marriage bonds 1730-1810 FHL US/CAN Film 1928586 Marriage bonds 1811-1850 FHL US/CAN Film 1928587 Marriage bonds 1795-1799, 1806-1809, 1840-1843 FHL US/CAN Film 1928589 Item 2 ================ Title: Marriage of Goochland County, Virginia, 1733-1815 Authors: Williams, Kathleen Booth (Main Author) Also on microfilm. Salt Lake City : Filmed by the Genealogical Society of Utah, 1973. on 1 microfilm reel ; 35 mm. FHL US/CAN Film 924449 Item 7 =================== Title: Register of marriages, Goochland County, Virginia, 1730-1853 Authors: Virginia State Library (Richmond, Virginia) (Added Author) Register of marriages, Goochland County, Virginia, 1730-1853 FHL US/CAN Film 31650 ================= Title: St. James Northam Parish, Goochland, Virginia computer printout; births or christenings, 1705-1797 Authors: Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Genealogical Department (Main Author) St. James Northam Parish, Goochland, Virginia computer printout; births or christenings, 1705-1797 FHL US/CAN Film 883694 Item 5 =============== Title: Certain central Virginia marriage, church, and cemetery records : Albemarle County, Cumberland County, Orange County, Powhatan County Authors: Daughters of the American Revolution. Virginia. Genealogical Records Committee (Main Author) Bugg, Mrs. J. L (Added Author) Fredericksville Parish (Albemarle County, Virginia : Episcopal) (Added Author) Littleton Parish (Powhatan County, Virginia : Episcopal) (Added Author) Christ Episcopal Church (Gordonsville, Virginia) (Added Author) St. Patrick's Parish (Prince Edward County, Virginia : Episcopal) (Added Author) Certain central Virginia marriage, church, and cemetery records FHL US/CAN Film 850108 Item 4 ================= Title: County Court orders, 1749-1869 Authors: Virginia. County Court (Cumberland County) (Main Author) 1749-1762. FHL US/CAN Film 30759 1762-1767. FHL US/CAN Film 30760 1767-1774. FHL US/CAN Film 30761 1774-1786. FHL US/CAN Film 30762 1786-1792. FHL US/CAN Film 30763 1792-1801. FHL US/CAN Film 30764 ================ Title: General index to deeds 1749-1918, and Deeds 1749-1868 Authors: Virginia. County Court (Cumberland County) (Main Author) General index to deeds by grantor, A-Z. FHL US/CAN Film 30743 General index to deeds by grantee, A-Z. FHL US/CAN Film 30744 Deed books, no. 1-2, 1749-1760. FHL US/CAN Film 30745 Item 1 Deed books, no. 1-2, 1749-1760. FHL US/CAN Film 30745 Item 3 Deed books, no. 3-4, 1760-1771. FHL US/CAN Film 30746 Deed books, no. 5-6, 1771-1790. FHL US/CAN Film 30747 Deed books, no. 7-8, 1790-1801. FHL US/CAN Film 30748 ================ Title: Will books, with inventories and accounts, 1749-1887; general index to wills, 1749-1949 Authors: Virginia. County Court (Cumberland County) (Main Author) Virginia. Circuit Superior Court of Law and Chancery (Cumberland County). (Added Author) Virginia. Circuit Court (Cumberland County) (Added Author) General index to wills 1749-1949 FHL US/CAN Film 30737 Will book, Vol. 1-2 1749-1792 FHL US/CAN Film 30738 ================ Title: Marriage records, 1749-1840, Cumberland County, Virginia Authors: Elliott, Katherine B. (Katherine Blackwell) (Main Author) Marriage records, 1749-1840, Cumberland County, Virginia FHL US/CAN Film 496620 Item 2 ================ Title: Parish vestry book, 1745-1791 Authors: Southam Episcopal Church. (Powhatan County, Virginia) (Main Author) Parish vestry book, 1745-1791 FHL US/CAN Film 33933 Item 1 ================ Title: Master index to the Huguenot : the biennial publications of the Huguenot Society, founders of Manakin in the colony of Virginia, and, Index to vestry book of King William Parish, Virginia, 1707-1750 Authors: Goree, Langston James (Added Author) Pampell, Janice Curtis (Added Author) Huguenot Society of the Founders of Manakin in the Colony of Virginia (Added Author) Manakin Episcopal Church (Powhatan County, Virginia) (Added Author) King William Parish (Powhatan County, Virginia : Episcopal) (Subject) Also on microfilm. Salt Lake City : Filmed by the Genealogical Society of Utah, 1991. on 1 microfilm ; 35 mm. FHL US/CAN Film 1697534 Item 1 ============= Title: County Court order books, 1777-1860 Authors: Virginia. County Court (Powhatan County) (Main Author) 1777-1791. FHL US/CAN Film 33090 1791-1798. FHL US/CAN Film 33091 1798-1804. FHL US/CAN Film 33092 ============== Title: General and supplementary indexes to deeds, 1777-1947; deeds, 1809-1866; wills, 1809-1898 Authors: Virginia. Circuit Court (Powhatan County) (Main Author) Virginia. Superior Court of Law (Powhatan County) (Added Author) Virginia. Circuit Superior Court of Law and Chancery (Powhatan County) (Added Author) General index to deeds-grantees 1777-1947 FHL US/CAN Film 33075 General index to deeds-grantors 1777-1947 FHL US/CAN Film 33076 Supplementary general index to deeds-grantors and grantees Vols. 1-2 1777-1947 FHL US/CAN Film 33077 Vols. 3-4 1777-1947 FHL US/CAN Film 33078 Deeds and wills Vol. 0 1809-1814, 1816, 1819-186 5, 1896-1898 Deeds Vol. 1 1777-1791 Deeds and wills Vol. 2 1792-1800 FHL US/CAN Film 33079 Deeds Vols. 3-4 1798-1814 FHL US/CAN Film 33080 ==================== Title: Personal property tax lists, 1782-1850 Authors: Virginia. Commissioner of the Revenue (Powhatan County) (Main Author) Personal property tax lists 1782-1786 FHL US/CAN Film 1905686 Item 2 Personal property tax lists 1787-1825 (No list for 1808) FHL US/CAN Film 1905687 ================= Title: General and supplementary indexes to deeds, 1777-1947; deeds, 1809-1866; wills, 1809-1898 Authors: Virginia. Circuit Court (Powhatan County) (Main Author) Virginia. Superior Court of Law (Powhatan County) (Added Author) Virginia. Circuit Superior Court of Law and Chancery (Powhatan County) (Added Author) General index to deeds-grantees 1777-1947 FHL US/CAN Film 33075 General index to deeds-grantors 1777-1947 FHL US/CAN Film 33076 Supplementary general index to deeds-grantors and grantees Vols. 1-2 1777-1947 FHL US/CAN Film 33077 Vols. 3-4 1777-1947 FHL US/CAN Film 33078 Deeds and wills Vol. 0 1809-1814, 1816, 1819-186 5, 1896-1898 Deeds Vol. 1 1777-1791 Deeds and wills Vol. 2 1792-1800 FHL US/CAN Film 33079 Deeds Vols. 3-4 1798-1814 FHL US/CAN Film 33080 ============== Title: General index to wills, 1777-1947; wills, inventories & accounts, 1777- 1868 Authors: Virginia. County Court (Powhatan County) (Main Author) General index to wills, Vol. 1 1777-1947 FHL US/CAN Film 33068 Wills, inventories & accounts, Vol. 1 1777-1795 Wills, inventories & accounts, Vol. 2 1800- 1802 Wills, inventories & accounts, Vol. 3 1806- 1811 FHL US/CAN Film 33069 =============== Title: Powhatan County, Virginia wills, 1777-1795 Authors: Weisiger, Benjamin B. (Benjamin Boisseau) , 1924- (Main Author) Also on microfilm. Salt Lake City : Filmed by the Genealogical Society of Utah, 1993. on 1 microfilm reel ; 35 mm. FHL US/CAN Film 1697900 Item 9 =============== Title: Personal property tax lists, 1782-1850 Authors: Virginia. Commissioner of the Revenue (Powhatan County) (Main Author) Personal property tax lists 1782-1786 FHL US/CAN Film 1905686 Item 2 Personal property tax lists 1787-1825 (No list for 1808) FHL US/CAN Film 1905687 =============== Title: Powhatan County, Va., tax lists 1782 & 1784 Authors: Simmons, Don , 1934- (Main Author) Also on microfiche. Salt Lake City : Filmed by the Genealogical Society of Utah, 1995. 1 microfiche. FHL US/CAN Fiche 6117260 ================= Title: Powhatan County, Va., tax lists 1787 - 1788 - 1789 Authors: Simmons, Don , 1934- (Main Author) Also on microfiche. Salt Lake City : Filmed by the Genealogical Society of Utah, 1995. 1 microfiche. FHL US/CAN Fiche 6117258 ================= Title: Marriage register, 1777-1853 Authors: Powhatan County (Virginia). County Clerk (Main Author) Marriage register, 1777-1853 FHL US/CAN Film 33067 =============== Title: Powhatan County, Virginia, marriage bonds, 1777-1854 Authors: Ricks, Joel (Main Author) Also on microfilm. Salt Lake City : Filmed by the Genealogical Society of Utah, 1939. on 1 microfilm reel ; 35 mm. FHL US/CAN Film 847779 Item 3 Another copy (carbon) filmed in 1970 at the Daughters of the American Revolution National Library. (Filmed with: Amherst County, Virginia, marriage bonds, 1753-1853 / [copied by Joel Ricks.) (Lacks title page) FHL US/CAN Film 850089 Item 6 ================ END Part 2 of 2 ==================

I have searched the "Family History Library Catalog" for Virginia public records and publications on LDS microfilm and microfiche. Please do not consider this to be an all inclusive list for general Virginia records or for Hanover, Henrico, Goochland, Cumberland and Powhatan Counties because I could have overlooked some of the filmed records. Other than errors on the part of LDS in cataloging and indexing the items, there should not be any error on my part since I transferred all entries via copy and paste. However, I may have duplicate or more enrtries for a particular filmed record or publication. Please forgive me. <grin> Those wishing to concentrate their research on William SUMPTER allegedly marrying Elizabeth Patience Iveson (widow) may wish to review the Hanover, Co., VA records. Those wishing to concentrate their research on Richard SUMPTER and Richard SUMTER in King William Parish associated with the Huguenots may wish to review the Henrico, Goochland, Cumberland and Powhatan Co., VA records. King William Parish was formed in 1700 and was originally in Henrico County until 1728. From 1728-1749 the parish was in Goochland and Henrico counties, then in Cumberland County from 1749-1777 and finally in Powhatan County from 1777 to present. Of course, the general records of Virginia are of interest to all of us. If anyone has reviewed or intends to review any of these records, please advise and post the transcribed record or abstracted publication either on the SUMPTER list or GenConnect board or on both . I have a hard copy of "The Douglas Register" and have reviewed it for SUMPTER data; thus, posting the abstracted data on the SUMPTER GenConnect Boards. For those not familiar with LDS filmed records and publication, they can be accessed through the local Family History Center at The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Happy Huntin' Jim Young ========================= Notes: Microfilm rolls are designated as: FHL US/CAN Film 908756 Microfiche sheets are designated: FHL US/CAN Fiche 6125452 & VAULT US/CAN Fiche 6105212 ========================= Some Virginia marriages, 1700-1799 McDonald, Cecil D (Main Author) Vol. 1-13 also on microfilm. Salt Lake City : Filmed by the Genealogical Society of Utah, 1975. on 1 microfilm reel ; 35 mm. FHL US/CAN Film 908756 Item 2 ================== Title: Marriages of some Virginia residents, 1607-1800 Authors: Wulfeck, Dorothy Ford (Main Author) Also on microfilm. Salt Lake City : Filmed the Genealogical Society of Utah, 1986, 1988. on 1 microfilm reel ; 35 mm. Vols. 1, 4-7. FHL US/CAN Film 1321057 Items 1-5 ===================== Title: Virginia marriage bonds 1700-1800 Authors: Richardson, Flora Fore (Main Author) Also on microfiche. Salt Lake City : Filmed by the Genealogical Society of Utah, 1996. 2 microfiches. FHL US/CAN Fiche 6125452 =================== Title: Virginia marriage records before 1853 Authors: Waldenmaier, Inez Raney (Main Author) FHL US/CAN Film 908282 Item 5 =================== Title: Virginia marriages, 1700-1799 Authors: McDonald, Cecil D (Main Author) Virginia marriages, 1700-1799 FHL US/CAN Film 874298 Item 5 Another filming. FHL US/CAN Film 874371 Item 4 Another filming. FHL US/CAN Film 874443 Item 15 Another filming, 1989. on 1 microfilm reel ; 16 mm. FHL US/CAN Film 1613114 Item 9 ============================ ============================ Title: Vestry book and land overseer records, 1706-1785 Authors: St. Paul's Episcopal Church (Hanover County, Virginia) (Main Author) Vestry book 1706-1785 Land overseer records 1708, 1711 FHL US/CAN Film 33858 ================== Title: The vestry book of St. Paul's Parish, Hanover County, Virginia, 1706-1786 Authors: Chamberlayne, C. G. (Churchill Gibson) , 1876-1939 (Main Author) St. Paul's Parish (Hanover County, Virginia : Episcopal) (Added Author) Also on microfilm. Salt Lake City : Filmed by the Genealogical Society of Utah, 1977. on 1 microfilm reel ; 35 mm. FHL US/CAN Film 982197 Item 1 ==================== Title: The vestry book of St. Paul's Parish, Hanover County, Virginia, 1706-1786 Authors: Chamberlayne, C. G. (Churchill Gibson) , 1876-1939 (Main Author) St. Paul's Parish (Hanover County, Virginia : Episcopal) (Added Author) Also on microfiche. Salt Lake City : Filmed by the Genealogical Society of Utah, 1991. 8 microfiches. FHL US/CAN Fiche 6088291 ==================== Title: Hanover County chancery wills and notes : a compendium of genealogical, biographical and historical material as contained in cases of the chancery suits of Hanover County, Virginia, Authors: Cocke, William Ronald (Main Author) Also on microfilm. Salt Lake City : Filmed by the Genealogical Society of Utah, 1985. on 1 microfilm reel ; 35 mm. FHL US/CAN Film 1421575 Item 4 ================ Title: Virginia families of Louisa, Hanover and Monroe counties Authors: Blankenship, Gayle King (Main Author) Also on microfiche. Salt Lake City : Filmed by the Genealogical Society of Utah, 1994. 4 microfiches. VAULT US/CAN Fiche 6105212 =================== Title: Miscellaneous probate and land records, 1733-1792 Authors: Virginia. County Court (Hanover County) (Main Author) Deeds, wills, inventories, and settlement of estates 1733-1735 FHL US/CAN Film 31942 Item 1 Deeds 1783-1792 FHL US/CAN Film 31942 Items 2-3 ================ Title: Vestry book and land overseer records, 1706-1785 Authors: St. Paul's Episcopal Church (Hanover County, Virginia) (Main Author) Vestry book 1706-1785 Land overseer records 1708, 1711 FHL US/CAN Film 33858 ============== Title: Wills, inventories, and accounts in the Court of Quarterly Session and in the Court of Monthly Session, 1785-1836, 1886; 1862-1868 Authors: Virginia. County Court (Hanover County) (Main Author) Wills, inventories, and accounts in the Court of Quarterly Session and in the Court of Monthly Session, 1785-1836, 1886; 1862-1868 FHL US/CAN Film 31944 Item 1 Wills, inventories, and accounts in the Court of Quarterly Session and in the Court of Monthly Session, 1785-1836, 1886; 1862-1868 FHL US/CAN Film 31944 Item 4 =============== Title: Wills, inventories, and accounts, 1851-1865; 1862-1895 Authors: Virginia. Circuit Court (Hanover County) (Main Author) Wills, inventories, and accounts, 1851-1865; 1862-1895 FHL US/CAN Film 31944 Items 2-3 =================== =================== Title: Births, 1720-1792, from the Bristol parish register of Henrico, Prince George, and Dinwiddie Authors: Chamberlayne, C. G. (Churchill Gibson) , 1876-1939 (Added Author) Also on microfilm. Salt Lake City : Filmed by the Genealogical Society of Utah, 1981. on 1 microfilm ; 35 mm. FHL US/CAN Film 1035876 Item 9 ================== Title: Church records, 1730-1860, 1785-1887 Authors: St. John's Episcopal Church (Henrico County, Virginia) (Main Author) Church records, 1730-1860, 1785-1887 FHL US/CAN Film 31761 ====================== Title: Henrico County, Virginia records of marriages of Henrico County Monthly Meeting of Friends, Virginia, 1699-1757 Authors: Society of Friends. Henrico Monthly Meeting (Virginia) (Main Author) Also on microfilm. Salt Lake City : Filmed by the Genealogical Society of Utah, 1974. on 1 microfilm reel ; 35 mm. FHL US/CAN Film 924685 Item 7 Another filming. FHL US/CAN Film 899817 Item 2 ===================== Title: County Court records, deeds, wills, settlements of estates, etc., 1677-1787 Authors: Virginia. County Court (Henrico County) (Main Author) 1677-1697. FHL US/CAN Film 31763 1697-1714. FHL US/CAN Film 31764 1714-1737. FHL US/CAN Film 31765 1744-1750. FHL US/CAN Film 31766 1750-1767. FHL US/CAN Film 31767 1767-1787. FHL US/CAN Film 31768 ================ Title: County records : deeds, wills, settlements of estates, etc. Authors: Virginia. County Court (Henrico County) (Main Author) Record book, Vol. 1-2 1677-1693 FHL US/CAN Film 31769 Record book, Vol. 3-5 1694-1739 FHL US/CAN Film 31770 Index to Vol. 1-5 1677-1739 FHL US/CAN Film 31771 ================ Title: Court orders and minutes and miscellaneous court records, 1650-1807 Authors: Virginia. County Court (Henrico County) (Main Author) Court Orders 1678-1701, 1707-1709 FHL US/CAN Film 31772 Court Orders 1737-1746, 1755-1762 FHL US/CAN Film 31773 Court Orders 1763-1769 FHL US/CAN Film 31774 Court Minutes 1719-1723, 1752-1755 FHL US/CAN Film 31775 Misc. Court Records 1650-1807 FHL US/CAN Film 31776 Misc. Court Records 1650-1807 FHL US/CAN Film 31777 Misc. Court Records 1650-1807 FHL US/CAN Film 31778 ================ Title: Extracts from the records of Henrico County, Virginia, 1677-1771 Authors: Stanard, William G. (William Glover) , 1858-1933 (Main Author) Extracts from the records of Henrico County, Virginia, 1677-1771 FHL US/CAN Film 908962 Item 16 ===================== Title: County records : deeds, wills, settlements of estates, etc. Authors: Virginia. County Court (Henrico County) (Main Author) Record book, Vol. 1-2 1677-1693 FHL US/CAN Film 31769 Record book, Vol. 3-5 1694-1739 FHL US/CAN Film 31770 Index to Vol. 1-5 1677-1739 FHL US/CAN Film 31771 ==================== Title: Extracts from the records of Henrico County, Virginia, 1677-1771 Authors: Stanard, William G. (William Glover) , 1858-1933 (Main Author) Extracts from the records of Henrico County, Virginia, 1677-1771 FHL US/CAN Film 908962 Item 16 ================ Title: Henrico County, Virginia deeds Authors: Weisiger, Benjamin B. (Benjamin Boisseau) , 1924- (Main Author) Notes: Includes indexes. Contents: [1] 1706-1737 -- [2] 1737-1750 -- [3] 1677-1705. Vols. 1-3 also on microfilm. Salt Lake City : Filmed by the Genealogical Society of Utah, 1992. on 1 microfilm ; 35 mm. VAULT US/CAN Film 1697555 Items 9-11 ================= Title: Colonial wills of Henrico County, Virginia Authors: Weisiger, Benjamin B. (Benjamin Boisseau) , 1924- (Main Author) Notes: Contents: v. 1. Part 1, 1654-1737 -- v. 2. Part 2, 1737-1781. Includes indexes. Also on microfiche. Salt Lake City : Filmed by the Genealogical Society of Utah, 1991. 5 fiches. Vol. 1 (3 fiches). FHL US/CAN Fiche 6051008 Vol. 2 (2 fiches). FHL US/CAN Fiche 6051009 ================ Title: County records : deeds, wills, settlements of estates, etc. Authors: Virginia. County Court (Henrico County) (Main Author) Record book, Vol. 1-2 1677-1693 FHL US/CAN Film 31769 Record book, Vol. 3-5 1694-1739 FHL US/CAN Film 31770 Index to Vol. 1-5 1677-1739 FHL US/CAN Film 31771 ================ Title: Extracts from the records of Henrico County, Virginia, 1677-1771 Authors: Stanard, William G. (William Glover) , 1858-1933 (Main Author) Extracts from the records of Henrico County, Virginia, 1677-1771 FHL US/CAN Film 908962 Item 16 ================= END Part 1 of 2 ============

At 04:11 PM 01/28/2000 -0500, JPiccafe@aol.com wrote: >Jim >Good idea. I know there is a lot out there that I don't have and would like >to see. Actually possessed. How would we go about it?? I don't know about me being a computer whiz <grin>; however, one way would be to transcribe a public record or abstract a copyrighted publication, posting same on the SUMPTER list and then on the appropriate GenConnect Board. Those wishing not to personally post on the GenConnect Boards can request that I do the posting for them; then, I'll take the data from their post to the SUMPTER list and post it on the GenConnect Board. Besides the Courthouses, the majority of public records can probably be transcribed from LDS film. Perhaps, the greatest challenge will be finding the LDS film having the SUMPTER/SUMTER data. If someone needs assistance in transcribing a record, I'm sure someone on the list, including myself, would assist in transcribing the record if a photocopy of the record was provided via snail mail. Following are two SUMPTER GenConnect Boards where I've entered records. Please review each board as to my thoughts on recording SUMPTER/SUMTER records. Please make a mental note that I have the capability to edit errors or make required changes on all of the boards. http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/surnames/sum/SumpterBibl http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/surnames/sum/SumpterDeed The other boards available for posting SUMPTER/SUMTER data are as follows: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/surnames/sum/SumpterObits http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/surnames/sum/SumpterPens http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/surnames/sum/SumpterWill http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/surnames/sum/SumpterBios I'm open to any suggestions on the above and how to go about formatting (summarizing or consolidating) early SUMPTERs in VA. Warm regards, Jim Young

In a message dated 1/14/00 3:22:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, MEGBR549@aol.com writes: << Lynn, I don't have Ann Sumpter info but my people were from MO to OK. I',m the one who has been sending the Obits to Sumpter/L. Do you know if spellinging of Sumpter (with a P) and Sumter, without a P, are same family or different lines, as I have people who are Sumpter who marry Sumter? Thanks, Judy - ------------------------------------- I have this Coat of Arms scanned in black & white. The Sumpter Coat of Arms Illustrated above was drawn by an heraldic artist from information officially recorded in ancient heraldic archives. Documentation for the Sumpter Coat of Arms design can be found in Burke's General Armory. Heraldic artists of old developed their own unique language to describe an individual Coat of Arms. In their language, the Arms (shield) is as follows: "Ar, three boars pass. in pale sa." When translated the Arms description is: "Silver, three black boars walking, one over the other." Family mottos are believed to have originated as battle cries in medieval times. A motto was not recorded with the Sumpter of Arms. Individual surnames originated for the purpose of more specific identification. The four primary sources for second names were: (1) occupation, (2) location, (3) father's name, and (4) personal characteristics. The surname Sumpter appears to be occupational in origin, and is believed to be associated with the English, meaning "one who served as a stableman." Different spellings of the same original surname are a common occurrence. Dictionaries of surnames indicate probable spelling variations. The most prominent variations of Sumpter are: Sumter, Sumnters, Sumnpter, Sumnpters and Sumpters. (sum'ter) noun. A pack animal such as a horse or mule. Or somebody for carrying things. (Middle English sum(p)ter, sometour, driver of a pack animal; from Old French = som(m)etier; from Vulgar Latin = saumatarius (unattested); from Late Latin = Sama (pack saddle); from Greek = sattein (of obscure origin) to pack). >From research done in phonetics, there is an explanation for the insertion of the "p". Whenever ou have a voice continuant consonant such as "m" followed by a voiceless positive "t", there is a natural tendency for the mouth to insert another voiceless articulated in similar manner to the consonant that precedes it. Thus, a "p" is formed following the "m" with the audible, it is thus spelled as it is heard. Don't assume that the insertion of the "p" in "Sumpter" began in America. First inscription and mention of the surname is William le Sumeter in 1221 and Roger le Summeter in 1270, taken from the Assize Rolls Gloucester shire England and the Assize Rolls of Worcestershire. The name is also mentioned in 1320 in Surrey, England. In 1404 (England) there was a conspiracy to kill King Henry IV in his fifth year of reign. Implicated in the conspiracy were John Sumpter, Sr. and John Sumpter, Jr. of Essex County. Also, in 1642-46 the name Eill Sumpter was given in connection with a list of inventories from the Lands of Ireland. Shakespeare's play King Lear, Act II, Scene IV, "Persuade me, rather to be, a slave and sumpter." The Will of William (dated Nov 1752) uses ”Sumter". However, that depends on who wrote it. Supposedly being well educated, he probably had it spelled correctly as he normally wrote it himself. So it was probably "Sumter". General Thomas, his son, used "Sumter" as did Captain William, Thomas' brother; but have seen Thomas' name and those of his brothers also spelled ” Sumpter".

Hi there, is there anyway you can mail me a copy of the Draper stuff ya have on Sumter/Sumpter? Of course, I will send ya $ for copying and postage. Thanks a lot! Eric De Kraai PO Box 151 Philmont, NY 12565 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Jones" <jones332@brightok.net> To: <SUMPTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 28, 2000 5:25 PM Subject: [SUMPTER] re-early SUMPTERs > Would the Draper paper be of use. I have nearly 100 copies of letter regarding the Sumpter/Sumter. If you could give me the number of the letter I could send it or does it have a copyright. > > Barbara Jones > > > ==== SUMPTER Mailing List ==== > The Searchable Surname Archives for Rootsweb lists can be found at: > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > ------------------------------------------- > Find easy instructions for using RootsWeb's Search Engine for the Archives at: > http://www.shelby.net/shelby/jr/robertsn/rwsearch.htm > ======================================================= > >

Would the Draper paper be of use. I have nearly 100 copies of letter regarding the Sumpter/Sumter. If you could give me the number of the letter I could send it or does it have a copyright. Barbara Jones

I would like to propose a project to identify SUMPTERs residing or born in Virginia in the 1700s based on documented records (deeds, wills, probates, tithes, birth, marriage, death, pension, immigration, bondage, etc.) and showing their documented ancestor(s), spouse(s) and children. Secondary sources, as long as identified as such, could be used in identifying some SUMPTERs. Perhaps, some of this data would show a migration path for some of our SUMPTER/SUMTER lines. At the moment, these documented facts are fragmented among us SUMPTER researchers; therefore, I suggest that we attempt to consolidate our findings in order to possibly provide clues on our individual SUMPTER/SUMTER ancestral line back to our emigrant SUMPTER. I also propose that we initiate another project to transcribe public records and abstract any copyrighted publications and post them, in addition to the SUMPTER list, on the SUMPTER GenConnect Boards which I administer. These SUMPTER related public records and copyrighted publications could range from the earliest to the latest SUMPTER record in England, USA and elswhere. Comments are solicited. Jim Young

In a message dated 1/14/00 3:22:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, MEGBR549@aol.com writes: << Lynn, I don't have Ann Sumpter info but my people were from MO to OK. I',m the one who has been sending the Obits to Sumpter/L. Do you know if spellinging of Sumpter (with a P) and Sumter, without a P, are same family or different lines, as I have people who are Sumpter who marry Sumter? Thanks, Judy >> Judy: I figured I may as well as jump into this conversation. I have the book, The Gamecock the life of Gen. Thos Sumter and in the book it notes that he spelled his name in one place as Sumpter and in another as Sumter. Suspect it is the same family with different spellings and then there is the possibility that the person taking the information on census couldn't spell and the name sounded like SUMTER and then it is also easier to pronounce with the P to separate the M and T. Try it both ways...or as a lot of people call Mrs. Sumpner and there is no N in it... Will get exact quote for you over the weekend... Bev Sumpter

Jim Good idea. I know there is a lot out there that I don't have and would like to see. Actually possessed. How would we go about it?? You are the computer whiz. I would love to help. Jim Landrum I know ........... we can send it all to Jane. Just a joke Jane, you must have paper over your head. I thought I had a lot until I ran into you. Would still be lost if not for the help of others so lets get this started some way.

Hello DdHober@aol.com , I am a newbie to the Sumpter mailing list and noticed your statement to the list, >> If anyone wishes to visit the site please email me and I will go in and add your name to the list. >> I am in search of a Jacob F. Sumpter who was born in Monroe Co (W)VA ca. mid 1800's. He lived in Roane County WV at the time of his marriage to Sarah C. Norman Parsons in Calhoun Co. (1909). Would you please add my name to the list of those who may visit the site? I'd appreciate it VERY much! Thanks for your time. Floa Swisher

I would also like a copy. Larry Wm Sumpter Moberly, Randolph Co., MO sumpter@missvalley.com Need up-dates & corrections. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Young <myoung@icok.net> To: <SUMPTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2000 3:37 PM Subject: Re: [SUMPTER] Huguenot Publications > At 03:14 PM 01/27/2000 -0600, you wrote: > >I have the article from the book THE HUGUENOT, published by the Huguenot > >Soc. Vol. 4 (1927) page 41-47 on the Family Sumter. I copied it from the > >Oklahoma Historical Society. Some of it made sense, and other parts made > >me more confused. If you have not seen this book some library may have it > >and you can get through inter- library loan. Check with your local library > >if your Society does not have the book. > > --------------- > Hi Barbara, > > What great news!!!! > > This is the first I've heard of SUMPTER in any Huguenot publication other > than a fleeting mention. Would it be possible for you to scan the article > and send it to me privately via email since it may have copyright > restrictions. If you cannot scan it, would you please consider copying it > and snail mail it to me. I'll gladly reimburse copy and mailing costs. > > I have the capability to scan the article and email it privately to anyone > desiring a copy, particularly Jim Landrum and Jane Malone-George. > > Warm regards, > > Jim Young > RR 3 Box 329-A > McAlester, OK 74501 > > > > ==== SUMPTER Mailing List ==== > NOTICE !!!! RootsWeb prohibits posting test messages, virus warnings, chain letters, political announcements, current events, missing children reports, flames, etc. (in other words - SPAM) to the list. Such postings could result in your removal from the list for a period of time. For information on virus hoaxes see <http://www.kumite.com/myths/>. > ======================================================= > > >

At 03:14 PM 01/27/2000 -0600, you wrote: >I have the article from the book THE HUGUENOT, published by the Huguenot >Soc. Vol. 4 (1927) page 41-47 on the Family Sumter. I copied it from the >Oklahoma Historical Society. Some of it made sense, and other parts made >me more confused. If you have not seen this book some library may have it >and you can get through inter- library loan. Check with your local library >if your Society does not have the book. --------------- Hi Barbara, What great news!!!! This is the first I've heard of SUMPTER in any Huguenot publication other than a fleeting mention. Would it be possible for you to scan the article and send it to me privately via email since it may have copyright restrictions. If you cannot scan it, would you please consider copying it and snail mail it to me. I'll gladly reimburse copy and mailing costs. I have the capability to scan the article and email it privately to anyone desiring a copy, particularly Jim Landrum and Jane Malone-George. Warm regards, Jim Young RR 3 Box 329-A McAlester, OK 74501

I have the article from the book THE HUGUENOT, published by the Huguenot Soc. Vol. 4 (1927) page 41-47 on the Family Sumter. I copied it from the Oklahoma Historical Society. Some of it made sense, and other parts made me more confused. If you have not seen this book some library may have it and you can get through inter- library loan. Check with your local library if your Society does not have the book. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Young" <myoung@icok.net> To: <SUMPTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2000 9:10 AM Subject: [SUMPTER] Huguenot Publications > Following are publications on Huguenots which I've recorded during my > search for SUMPTER ancestors. However, I've not personally not review any > of them. Anyone knowing of other related publications, please post their > title and author. > > A Brief History of the Huguenots and Three Family Trees by Dr. J. G. Chastain. > > Huguenot Immigration to Virginia by Brock. > > The Huguenot by Huguenot Society Founders of Manakin. > > Turff and Twigg by Priscilla Harriss Cabell. > > Huguenot Refugees in the Setting of Colonial America by Huguenot Society of > America, 1987. > > Huguenot Emigration to America by Charles W. Baird. > > Happy Huntin' > > Jim Young > > > > ==== SUMPTER Mailing List ==== > Want to unsubscribe from the SUMPTER-L list (single message mode)? > Send an email message to: > SUMPTER-L-request@rootsweb.com > On the first line of text, enter only the following word: unsubscribe > Turn off any signature line. > ======================================================= > >