Is this the John Sumpter father of Martha Sumpter wife of Abraham Sudderth?Does anyone know where they might be burried,Little Johns Methidost Church in Caldwell County? ----- Original Message ----- From: <JPiccafe@aol.com> To: <SUMPTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 07, 2000 7:30 PM Subject: Re: [SUMPTER] William Sumpter and Hanover County > I believe the Hanover County connection comes from the Draper manuscripts. > Letters from people of Albemarle County, Virginia, date in the 1870's, say > that the Sumpter's lived on Preddy Creek in now Albemarle County. This > County came down as follows: > New Kent > 1720 Hanover > 1742 Louisa - Where Williams's will recorded > 1744 Albemarle > As previously noted New Kent is burned. Hanover is burned. I feel early > researchers were taking leaps we have not been prepared to take. > > Next theory > The supposed son of William, Edmond, is supposedly in Lunenburg County in > 1764 and Charlotte from then on. Charlotte is out of Lunenburg in 1764. A > George, Henry, and Aggy Sumpter are tied to this Edmond as witnesses on a > deed. Perhaps George, Edmond, and Henry are all brothers and sons of either > Richard or William. They all show up for the first time in the mid 1760's. > The only sons of William for sure are John and William who both move on to > North Carolina. This would cancel my earlier theory that Henry and Edmond > are George's sons. This also would tie into Alexander Sumpter's notes when > he says they have an Uncle John (William's son) who has a son William who > both served in the revolution. As I have noted before this note matches John > Sumpter, son of William (Father to the General) > I think now I have put all the scenerios possible out there. I believe in > covering all my bases in case someone (Please) who finds the key to this > family. > > > ==== SUMPTER Mailing List ==== > Have you posted your line or query lately? A recently joined cousin may help you make a connection!!! > REMINDER ! ! ! Send your messages to: SUMPTER-L@rootsweb.com > ======================================================= >

Dear Sumpter researchers. I applaude your efforts. In doing genealogy for over 40 years, I have learned that sometimes our" BSOGS" have sometimes, the only logical place in the recovery of information....Best Soap Opera Guesses 's.......sincerely, judy hugg grimes.

I believe the Hanover County connection comes from the Draper manuscripts. Letters from people of Albemarle County, Virginia, date in the 1870's, say that the Sumpter's lived on Preddy Creek in now Albemarle County. This County came down as follows: New Kent 1720 Hanover 1742 Louisa - Where Williams's will recorded 1744 Albemarle As previously noted New Kent is burned. Hanover is burned. I feel early researchers were taking leaps we have not been prepared to take. Next theory The supposed son of William, Edmond, is supposedly in Lunenburg County in 1764 and Charlotte from then on. Charlotte is out of Lunenburg in 1764. A George, Henry, and Aggy Sumpter are tied to this Edmond as witnesses on a deed. Perhaps George, Edmond, and Henry are all brothers and sons of either Richard or William. They all show up for the first time in the mid 1760's. The only sons of William for sure are John and William who both move on to North Carolina. This would cancel my earlier theory that Henry and Edmond are George's sons. This also would tie into Alexander Sumpter's notes when he says they have an Uncle John (William's son) who has a son William who both served in the revolution. As I have noted before this note matches John Sumpter, son of William (Father to the General) I think now I have put all the scenerios possible out there. I believe in covering all my bases in case someone (Please) who finds the key to this family.

I've seen many researchers claiming their ancestors are William Sumpter and Elizabeth Patience Iveson (Iverson), alleging to have married in Hanover Co., VA on 18 June 1728, and further linking to Nicholas Sumpter born abt 1663 in Histon, Cambridge, England and Katherine Mathews. Has anyone seen or found a ship's passenger manifest indicating the transportation of William Sumpter (Sumter) and/or Elizabeth Patience Iveson (Iverson) from Histon, Cambridge, England to Virginia or the Colony in the early 1700s? If such records cannot be found, how can William Sumpter, alleged to have married 1728 in Hanover Co., VA, be linked as a son of Nicholas Sumpter, born abt 1663 in Histon, Cambridge, England and Katherine Mathews? Has anyone seen or found any marriage record indicating William and Elizabeth Patience Sumpter (Sumter) were married on 18 June 1728 in Hanover Co., VA or ever resided in Hanover Co., VA? If such records cannot be found, how can a researcher continue to claim that William Sumpter (Sumter) and Elizabeth Patience Iveson (Iverson) were married on 18 June 1728 in Hanover Co., VA and that Elizabeth's married or maiden name was Iveson (Iverson)? Since there is no known record of William Sumpter's arrival in Virginia and the fact that he appears to be too old to be a child of Richard and Jean Sumpter of Goochland, Cumberland and Chesterfield Counties in Virginia, has anyone given any thought to William's name being George William Sumpter and later being only known as "William". At the moment in limbo, there is a record of a George Sumpter, age 19, St. Brides, Fleet St., London, Brickmaker, who signed with agent James Gerald to serve a five year indenture in Virginia, 22 June 1721. By 1726, his indentured service would be completed allowing him to marry; however, nothing further is known about him. Could William, the father of General Thomas Sumter, be the 1721 George Sumpter immigrant to Virginia? Jim Landrum reports a Gorge Sumpter of St. Bride's Fleet Street London England who was christened January 7, 1697 and his parents were William and Elizabeth Sumpter. (Source: LDS film # 380155 Extracted birth and christening records for St. Bride's Fleet Street London England 1695-1714.) This is a close match for the 1721 George Sumpter immigrant to Virginia. Jim Landrum further reports a William Sumpter proving a deed of gift on 11 Apr 1733 in Caroline Co., VA which is right next to the Virginia Counties of Hanover and Louisa. (Source: Caroline County, Virginia County Clerk Aprill 11, 1733 ; Eliza Flemings deed of gift to John Scot and Nathan Anderson. Was proved by Robert Fleming, Barttelot Anderson and WILLIAM SUMPTER.) Could this be the 1721 George Sumpter immigrant to Virginia using an alias, "William"? Anyone care to discuss such a scenario and extend their research to include such a possibility. Warm regards, Jim Young

Does anyone out there have any public information on this guy. In Regards to deeds, the entire will, children's marriage records, etc. I believe him to have been in Charlotte County, Henry County, and Montgomery County. Was he ever in Franklin or Bedford County. Jim Landrum

A couple of tidbits picked up 2/7/2000 at Memphis Public Library >From the Draper manuscripts a letter dated 1872 was received from the Goochland County, Virginia, Clerk, stating that he had done a thorough job of investigating their records and no information was there on any Sumpter or Sumter. >From the Louisa County Court Order Book December 19, 1743 Upon the motion of William Sumtor it is ordered that his list of tithables be added to Ambrose Joshua Smith's list. (Shows William Sumpter was assigned at one time by the court to take tax information so he could read and write) Jim Landrum.

Jim, That makes as much sense as anything else we have tried to put together. The list of counties involving these Sumpters seems to be Caroline - Burned Hanover - Burned nothing before 1865 Goochland - In the Draper Manuscripts there is a letter dated 1872 from the Goochland County Clerk that he has thoroughly investigated their records and there is nothing on Sumpter or Sumter. Louisa County - William Sumpter's Will from the 1750's. Albemarle - Out of Louisa and Goochland in 1744. Other Counties possibly New Kent and King and Queen both burned counties. The Richard Sumpter line comes out of Henrico, Chesterfield Counties. My Henry Sumpter comes out of Cumberland and Henry Counties. If William Sumpter could be George William Sumter it leads to a different scenerio for me. The Edmond Sumpter son of William Sumpter is in Charlotte County in the 1760,s to 1790's. There is also a George Sumpter there at the same time that seems to have ties to both Edmond and Henry Sumpter (Witness on a George Sumpter deed).. Could this make George Sumpter another son of William Sumpter and Henry Sumpter, William's grandson. The can of worms opens further. Other counties needed to be looked at are Franklin and Bedford that have ties to Charlotte, Henry, and Montgomery Counties in the late 1700's. Jim Landrum

also posted at http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/surnames/sum/SumpterObits WILLIAM JAKE SUMPTER: Killed Near Eagle Mine, OBITUARY Jake Sumpter, a farmer living northwest of town was hit by Huntsville pickup train. Last night about six o'clock Jake Sumpter left town on his way home. He had just delivered a load of wood in town for a neighbor who he was working for. There were three wood wagons left here together, he being the last one. When at the crossing near the Eagle Coal mine the other two wagons had crossed the track and his horses were just across when the pick-up train from Huntsville came along unnoticed and struck his wagon, throwing him from the wagon in front of the cars and he was passed over by three cars and the engine. The boys that were with him did not miss him until they were quite a distance away and they then saw his horses loose from the wagon. They returned to the crossing and found him, but the train crew brought him to the yard office and from there he was taken to the morgue. He was taken to his home this afternoon from which place the funeral will be held tomorrow. Burial will take place at the Hardister burial grounds. Copied from "Moberly Monitor-Index", Randolph County, Moberly, MO, 65270; Fri., 25 Sep 1903, d. 24 Sep 1903. (son of BENJAMIN H. SUMPTER (THOMAS6, FIELDING "EBB"5, WILLIAM4, WILLIAM THOMAS3, NICHOLAS2, NICHOLAS1) was born January 1843 in Randolph County, MO & ROSANNAH A. BLOCH) Burial: 25 September 1903, Hardister Cemetery, Randolph County, MO

I suspect that the majority of SUMPTER and SUMTER descendants on this discussion list have their roots of origins in Virginia. With this in mind, I suggest we attempt to identify all documented SUMPTER and SUMTER marriages within each shire or county in Virginia, posting them on this list and the SUMPTER GenConnect Board. Documented marriages from other state counties are also welcome. Has anyone thoroughly reviewed and abstracted the SUMPTER data (including surname variations, Sumter, Simpter, Simter, etc.) from the following publications, either book, microfilm or microfiche? If so, please consider posting the data on this list or send it to me privately (email or snail mail) and I'll post the data on your behalf. If anyone would like to volunteer to review any of the publications, please advise. Warm regards, Jim Young RR3 Box 329-A McAlester, OK 74501 myoung@icok.net AGLL represents microfilm and microfiche which are available for rental from Heritage Quest. LDS represents microfilm and microfiche which are available for rental from the Family History Centers at The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. ========== AGLL ======== "Virginia County Records, Vol. 04" edited by William Armstrong Crozier [1973]. Earlier Virginia Marriages, Originally Published 1907. Indexed. 155 pages. 4th item on film. V163-0014 ========== LDS ========= Some Virginia marriages, 1700-1799 McDonald, Cecil D (Main Author) Vol. 1-13 also on microfilm. Salt Lake City : Filmed by the Genealogical Society of Utah, 1975. on 1 microfilm reel ; 35 mm. FHL US/CAN Film 908756 Item 2 ========== AGLL ======== "Virginia Marriages 1700-1799" compiled by Cecil D. McDonald, Jr. [1973-76]. Indexed. (V. 1-20) 1st-20th items on film. V163-0030 ========== LDS ========= Title: Virginia marriages, 1700-1799 Authors: McDonald, Cecil D (Main Author) Virginia marriages, 1700-1799 FHL US/CAN Film 874298 Item 5 Another filming. FHL US/CAN Film 874371 Item 4 Another filming. FHL US/CAN Film 874443 Item 15 Another filming, 1989. on 1 microfilm reel ; 16 mm. FHL US/CAN Film 1613114 Item 9 ========== AGLL ======== "Some Virginia Marriages, 1800-1825" compiled by Cecil D. McDonald, Jr. [1973-76]. Indexed. (V. 1-12) 21st-24 items on film. V163-0030 "Some Virginia Marriages, 1826-1850" compiled by Cecil D. McDonald, Jr. [1976]. Indexed. (V. 1-2) 25th items on film. V163-0030 ========== LDS ========= Title: Marriages of some Virginia residents, 1607-1800 Authors: Wulfeck, Dorothy Ford (Main Author) Also on microfilm. Salt Lake City : Filmed the Genealogical Society of Utah, 1986, 1988. on 1 microfilm reel ; 35 mm. Vols. 1, 4-7. FHL US/CAN Film 1321057 Items 1-5 ========== AGLL ======== "Marriages of Some Virginia Residents (Series 1), 1607-1800" compiled and published by Dorothy Ford Wulfeck [1961-64]. Indexed. V163-0107 (V. 1-5) 1st-5th items on film. V163-0108 (V. 6-7) 1st-2nd items on film. ========== LDS ========= Title: Virginia marriage bonds 1700-1800 Authors: Richardson, Flora Fore (Main Author) Also on microfiche. Salt Lake City : Filmed by the Genealogical Society of Utah, 1996. 2 microfiches. FHL US/CAN Fiche 6125452 ========== LDS ========= Title: Virginia marriage records before 1853 Authors: Waldenmaier, Inez Raney (Main Author) FHL US/CAN Film 908282 Item 5 ==========End==========

posting the marriages sounds like a good plan. Wish I had one to post. grin. judy grimes

Miss Mary Elizabeth Sumpter died at her home in Higbee at 5 o'clock Friday morning, March 5, 1909, after a short illness of quick consumption, and was buried at New Hope Howard County, the following day. Services were held at the church by F.H. James in the presence of a large congregation of relatives and friends who faced the rough weather to pay tribute to one who was highly esteemed by them. Miss Sumpter was born April 9, 1884, and lived near Higbee until about two months ago when she went with a brother to Okla, whence she returned about a month ago. She is survived by three brothers - Charles, John and James and three sisters - Mrs. W. Robb, Mrs. S. Ketchum and a single sister, Miss Maggie. Copied from "The Higbee News"; Higbee, Randolph County, MO; 65257; Thur. 12 Mar 1909, d. 5 Mar 1909. (daughter of JAMES H. SUMPTER born Abt. 1847 in MO & CHINISH MERIDY born Abt. 1851 in MO)

What is the documentation of the other children of William Sumpter father of the general? Thanks Jim Landrum

A limited review of the AGLL Catalog (believed to be American Genealogy Lending Library) indicate the following microfilm and microfiche are available for rental from Heritage Quest. However, prior to submitting a rental request to Heritage Quest, please verify the film numbers contained herein against those listed in the AGLL catalog to ensure I haven't made a mistake in transcribing the film numbers. A microfilm roll can normally be rented for about $3.00 or $4.00, each. "The Huguenot", No. 4 [1929]. Genealogical data on the Amis, Witt, SUMTER, Cabaniss, Lacy, Duval Chastain, Pasteur, Presnell-Maupin families. 82 pages. 02 Fiche / 5th item on film. Microfilm: V163-0024 Microfiche: F-3068 "The Huguenot", No. 5 [1931]. Genealogical data on the Agee, Amis, Billiebo, SUMTER, Chastain, David, Dupuy, Easley, Flournoy, Fountaine, Guerrant, Martain, Perrow, Prewitt, Rapene, Trabue, Weaver and Witt families. 109 pages. 03 Fiche / 6th item on film. V163-0024 F-3069 "Marriages of Some Virginia Residents (Series 1), 1607-1800" compiled and published by Dorothy Ford Wulfeck [1961-64]. Indexed. V163-0107 (V. 1-5) 1st-5th items on film. V163-0108 (V. 6-7) 1st-2nd items on film. "Some Virginia Marriages, 1800-1825" compiled by Cecil D. McDonald, Jr. [1973-76]. Indexed. (V. 1-12) 21st-24 items on film. V163-0030 "Some Virginia Marriages, 1826-1850" compiled by Cecil D. McDonald, Jr. [1976]. Indexed. (V. 1-2) 25th items on film. V163-0030 "Virginia County Records, Vol. 04" edited by William Armstrong Crozier [1973]. Earlier Virginia Marriages, Originally Published 1907. Indexed. 155 pages. 4th item on film. V163-0014 "Virginia Marriages 1700-1799" compiled by Cecil D. McDonald, Jr. [1973-76]. Indexed. (V. 1-20) 1st-20th items on film. V163-0030 If anyone has reviewed any of the above, please advise and consider posting any data which may have been abstracted. Shortly, I will review the AGLL catalog for other filmed Virginia records. Happy huntin' Jim Young

--part1_aa.c692ef.25c8e085_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --part1_aa.c692ef.25c8e085_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: JPiccafe@aol.com From: JPiccafe@aol.com Full-name: JPiccafe Message-ID: <44.16b3214.25c88aee@aol.com> Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 14:15:58 EST Subject: Re: Early Sumpters To: myoung@icok.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 45 Early records for these Sumpter may be in the ashes of early Virginia. Caroline County, Burned. King and Queen County, burned. King William County, burned. New Kent County, burned. Jim Young asked about the Parish records for Blissland Parish and St. Peters Parish. Jim, I have seen both of those records and there are no Sumpters include. Struck out again. However there were two other Parishes that migh include records from the above Counties that I have not seen and are not in the Memphis Library. The Vestry Books of Stratton Major Parish and Petsworth Parish. Help. Jim Landrum --part1_aa.c692ef.25c8e085_boundary--

I am related to Flemings.And have noticed some Flemings comming out of Va.Would appreciate anything on Flemings and Sumpters.There is two daughters of Robert Fleming of Burke County,later Calwell county born in Va.according to NC censis.Robert and wife Jane Fleming were in Burke county NC as early as 1786 according to a land grant I have.Seems that a lot of the grandparents I am related to came from the same aeria as the Sumpters in Va.My Kincaid and Mccall ,and Sudderth lines seem to come from that aeria.Im sure John Sumpter 1733,had to know Robert Fleming,both died in the same county Caldwell.anfd both are g-g-g-g-g-grandparents.Maybe they came to Burke County as a group.thanks Clyde Fleming

Jim Landrum and I have entered data on the following three boards. Please advise if there are errors or if additional data should be added. SUMPTER & SUMTER Bibles, Marriages and Birth Records: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/surnames/sum/SumpterBibl SUMPTER & SUMTER Deed, Tax and Census Records: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/surnames/sum/SumpterDeed SUMPTER & SUMTER Wills & Estate Probates / Inventories: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/surnames/sum/SumpterWill Note: If your cursor turns into a hand when placed upon the website address, double clicking your mouse will normally activate your web browser and open the webpage. Otherwise, it is recommended that the website address be copied and pasted into the web browser's address box. Please consider entering your research data. Other boards where posts can be made are listed below. SUMPTER & SUMTER Queries: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/surnames/sum/Sumpter SUMPTER & SUMTER Biographies: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/surnames/sum/SumpterBios SUMPTER & SUMTER Obituaries and Death Records: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/surnames/sum/SumpterObits SUMPTER & SUMTER Pensions and War Records: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/surnames/sum/SumpterPens Please consider bookmarking these websites in your web browser. To keep abreast of new postings on these boards, please consider subscribing to each board. To subscribe, scroll to the bottom of each board and enter your email address, following the instructions. Happy Huntin' Jim Young

I knew I had this somewhere and have spent two days reading my old notes. >From the Caroline County, Virginia County Clerk Aprill 11, 1733 Eliza Flemings deed of gift to John Scot and Nathan Anderson. Was proved by Robert Fleming, Barttelot Anderson and WILLIAM SUMPTER. This County is right next to Hanover and Louisa where the William Sumpter's have some tracks. I have not looked at any actual records of Caroline County except what few books are in the Memphis Library Jim Landrum

Has anyone found (or even seen) the marriage record for William Sumpter who is alleged to have married Elizabeth Patience Iverson (Iveson) in Hanover Co., VA on 18 June 1728? If so, where can the record be found? Has anyone found (or even seen) any Hanover Co., VA records to indicate that William Sumpter, father of General Thomas Sumter, ever resided in Hanover Co., VA? If so, where can the record(s) be found? According to the USGenWeb Project, Hanover County, Virginia was formed from New Kent County, Virginia on November 26, 1720. Further, USGenWeb Project states, "The Colonial Records of New Kent County were destroyed by a fire in 1787, which was set by John Price Posey, for which he was hung. It was the greatest loss suffered because the early records of many counties were in the New Kent Clerk's Office: King and Queen, 1654-1691; King William County, 1654 to 1702; Hanover County, 1654 to 1728; Louisa County, 1654 to 1728; and part of Caroline County, 1654 to 1720." Based on the above, records relating to William Sumpter and any ancestor in New Kent County and Hanover County from 1654 to 1728 are not available. Has anyone had an opportunity the review the following records for Sumpter data? The Vestry Book of Blisland Parish in New Kent and James City Counties, Virginia 1721 to 1786, edited by Dr. C.C. Chamberlayne, 1935, and published by Virginia State Library. The Vestry Book and Register of St. Peter's Parish, New Kent County, 1684 to 1786, edited by Dr. C.C. Chamberlayne, 1937, and published by Virginia State Library. Jim Young

>From LDS film # 380155 Extracted birth and christening records for St. Bride's Fleet Street London England 1695-1714. Gorge Sumpter Christened January 7, 1697 Parents William Sumpter Elizabeth This would be a close match to the George Sumpter who was supposed to be19 in 1721. He was to have been a resident of St. Bride's Parish, Fleet Street, London, England. Any thoughts. Jim Landrum

If you live in Oklahoma you can look at the Draper papers at OU in the Western Library. This is where I looked at them and made copies. Need to go back and make more copies. If you live out of Oklahoma, check at the Colleges and Universities they also may have them. Barbara ----- Original Message ----- From: "April Ruygt" <april@napanet.net> To: <SUMPTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2000 10:35 PM Subject: [SUMPTER] Re:Georgia Etta Sumpter > My GGrandmother was Georgia Etta SUMPTER, daughter of Robert Osborn > SUMPTER and Margaret V. PITNER. Much information was given to me from a > relative in Tahlequah, OK. She lists the Draper Papers as a source. Can > someone please tell me what they are? Thanks, > > April Ruygt > Napa, CA > april@napanet.net > > > ==== SUMPTER Mailing List ==== > RootsWeb is monetarily supported by its users who voluntarily become a Contributor, Sponsor, or Donor and renew on an annual basis. Review how your monetary support can benefit you and also contribute toward RootsWeb's efforts in making huge amounts of genealogical data freely available to Internet genealogists: http://www.rootsweb.com > ===================================================== > >