It has occurred to me that many of the individuals interviewed in the Draper Manuscript who discussed SUMPTER and SUMTER individuals and families are in fact probably descendants of early Virginia SUMPTER ancestors. I think it would be worthwhile to thoroughly review the Draper Papers in an attempt to determine if those interviewed have Sumpter relatives. John Redd, whose interview is discussed below, has an unknown relationship with Henry Sumpter and Agnes Dillion in Henry Co., VA and has personal knowledge of General Thomas Sumter's mother, Elizabeth Patience Sumpter. The wife of Henry Sumpter, Agnes Dillion, is believed to be the daughter of William Dillion. In the 1796 Henry Co., VA court records, Dillion's (Admr.) vs Sumpter, Book 6, page 268, John Redd's & John Barksdale's award from William Dillon's estate to be the judgement of court. 1792 Dillion (Admrs.), Benjamin vs Dillion, William (dec'd.); Book 6, page 33. Henry Sumpter, his security entered into bond. 1795 Dillion vs Dillions (Admr.); Book 6, page 236. Didimus awarded to the deft. to take deposition of Abraham Adams & Sarah, his wife, & Drury Ward. (Abraham Adams married Sarah Sumpter, believed to be the daughter Henry Sumpter and Agnes Dillion) Although unconfirmed, on 15 Sep 1797, William Sumpter (married to Margaret Pirtle and presumed to be the son of Henry Sumpter and Agnes Dillion) gives a deposition in Henry Co., VA court records concerning the estate of his grandfather, William Dillion. I'm wondering if John Redd's mother could be the daughter of either Richard Sumpter or Henry Sumpter. Otherwise, if he lived in Orange Co., VA and Elizabeth Patience Sumpter, widow, lived in Albamerle Co., VA, how did he, as a small boy, know she was a widow and by 1774 know that she was an old lady still living, unless he was related to her. Also, how would Lynn Draper know John Redd had information relating to General Sumter, unless Draper knew John Redd probably had Sumpter kinfolks? The quest will be to review the complete Henry Co., VA court records regarding William Dillion's estate proceedings and locate the complete interview of John Redd within the Draper Papers. Hopefully, these reviews will provide clues on a possible Redd-Sumpter connection and possibly show a relationship with Elizabeth Patience Sumpter, widow. John Redd and I probably share a common ancestor, John Redd II who died by 1749 in Henrico Parish, Chesterfield Co., VA. I connect to the Redd/Rudd line through my Cannon line. Further discussion on this issue are most welcome. Jim Young - -------------------------- DRAPER MANUSCRIPT from the State Historical Society of Wisconsin, Madison Page 635, Reports and Resolutions, S. C. 1908, Vol. 3, address by Henry A. M. Smith unveiling of monument to Gen. Thomas Sumter: "William Sumter was born in Hanover County, Virginia, on the 29th October, 1731. Redd knew him to he brother of Gen. Sumter. Thomas Sumter was born in said county on August 14th, 1734." Also: "There is, however, in the possession of Gen. Sumter's lineal descendants an old leaf, which is traditionally said to be a leaf from the family Bible. This old leaf has written upon it in quite archaic script the following entries: '(births copied above) Page 636 John Redd of Henry County, Virginia to Lynn C. Draper and dated the 13th of June 1850.' General Sumter's mother was a widow when I first knew her, which was when I was quite a small boy. When I left Orange County in 1774 the old lady was then living. General Sumter's sister married a man by the name Lan McCrady." The history of South Carolina in the Revolution, page 564, says General Sumter's mother was a Virginian of English stock. Source: "The Huguenot", No. 4 [1929]; published by The Huguenot Society; pp 41-47; LDS Microfilm V163-0024

Hello All, Just for the record, I would be glad to host or travel to a Sumpter researcher's get together. Jim Landrum Memphis Tennessee

Jane, Thanks for this info but Marv is the man I am trying to help. He e-mailed me because I have my name in to take pictures of the cemeteries in Jasper County so he wanted me to take pictures of the Slaughter cemetery. Oddly enough in my Kintz family genealogy the Sumpter's married in so in helping Marv I am helping myself. Are you also related to this line? Thanks again Nora -----Original Message----- From: jmgeorge@dubuque.net <jmgeorge@dubuque.net> To: SUMPTER-L@rootsweb.com <SUMPTER-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Friday, February 11, 2000 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [SUMPTER] Sumpter, Cotrell, Rush > Iowa >Nora....Marv Caldwell also descends from Bluford Sumpter. He recently >visited the cemetery where many of his ancestors are buried in Jasper Co, IA. >You should email Marv at <marv82@juno.com>. I am sure he can help you with >your search. >Jane Sumpter Malone-George > > > > > >At 01:46 AM 2/10/00 -0600, you wrote: >>Seeking info on the family of Bluford Sumpter who was born July 1, 1834 in >Indiana. He married Mary J. Cotrell 11 May 1856. Bluford was killed in a >accident and she remarried John Rush ca 1880. >>I know this isn't much to go on but I am helping a friend and this is all >he has. >>Thanks >>Nora >>borts@gte.net >> >> >>==== SUMPTER Mailing List ==== >>RootsWeb is monetarily supported by its users who voluntarily become a >Contributor, Sponsor, or Donor and renew on an annual basis. Review how >your monetary support can benefit you and also contribute toward RootsWeb's >efforts in making huge amounts of genealogical data freely available to >Internet genealogists: http://www.rootsweb.com >>===================================================== >> >> > > >==== SUMPTER Mailing List ==== >To subscribe to Larry Stephens' Regional lists, covering all parts of the USA, go to http://php.indiana.edu/~stephenl/genealog.htm >======================================================= >

Hello, I think I may be of the Iowa sumpter--and the jasper co. bunch. could help with some costs for pics too. i am descended from urbin (erbin) sumpter and eliza j. hargis. judy

Nora....Marv Caldwell also descends from Bluford Sumpter. He recently visited the cemetery where many of his ancestors are buried in Jasper Co, IA. You should email Marv at <marv82@juno.com>. I am sure he can help you with your search. Jane Sumpter Malone-George At 01:46 AM 2/10/00 -0600, you wrote: >Seeking info on the family of Bluford Sumpter who was born July 1, 1834 in Indiana. He married Mary J. Cotrell 11 May 1856. Bluford was killed in a accident and she remarried John Rush ca 1880. >I know this isn't much to go on but I am helping a friend and this is all he has. >Thanks >Nora >borts@gte.net > > >==== SUMPTER Mailing List ==== >RootsWeb is monetarily supported by its users who voluntarily become a Contributor, Sponsor, or Donor and renew on an annual basis. Review how your monetary support can benefit you and also contribute toward RootsWeb's efforts in making huge amounts of genealogical data freely available to Internet genealogists: http://www.rootsweb.com >===================================================== > >

Part two of two continued with page 44. ====================== Trusting that this information will answer your query as to William Sumter being a Justice of the Peace in Rowan County, N. C., before 1775, I am, Yours very truly, JOSEPH SCHAFER w Superintendent. COPY. The State Historical Society of Wisconsin, Madison. May 4, 1922. Mr. C. K. Hill, Harriman, Tenn. Dear Mr. Hill: The name we sent you in the last letter of Capt. William Sumter's wife was taken from an interview with a grandson, and he says nothing about the Randall family. He says (8VV287) that the marriage occurred in Albemarle County, Va., about 1754 since John the eldest son was born in 1755. This grandson tells a romantic story about his great grandfather Sumter, the redemptioner. He says he belonged to a wealthy family of England, but ran away and his services were sold to pay his passage (8VV283, 285). His relatives afterwards sent him presents when he was married. James says that his great grandfather's wife was named Elizabeth and that she was related to the Franklin family (8VV283). He also gives interesting data on Capt. William Sumter's conflicts with the Tories of Burke County, N. C. There is some material on the Franklin family connected with that of Col. Benjamin Cleveland. (Draper Mss. 1ONN134-135; 5DD13(11), 14, 16, 30(5), 32, 34; This is probably the same family as that of Sumter's mother; but I no where find the connection definitely established. Yours very truly, JOSEPH SCHAFER, w Superintendent. (Draper Mas. 18VV142) Lenoir, Caidwell Co., N. C. 25th Sept. 1873. Lyman C. Draper Esq. Dr Sir Yours of the 20th recd this P-M. Please accept my thanks for the two parcels of interesting documents as I also owe to yr courtesy--I enclose brief statement of Mr. Nathaniel Coffey 'a "talk" about the Sumters, followed by a few other particulars since picked up. There is no sister of Dan Boone living here, there are descendants of either himself or a brother living about here--but as to old Hannah Coffey's being a sister, it is, as you remark, impossible. While in the little County Town of Boone, in Watauga Co.--2 miles N.W. of this place, I have seen a rude pile of rocks, which tradition points out as the debris of Danl Boone's chimney to his hunting camp. He did once camp there for a season or two; & the town was therefore called after him. I can send you a bit of the rock if you wish it/ I will inquire about Clifton Coffey's family--It is and uncommon name her--There is Clifton Coffey in Watauga Co. I will keep yr. inquiries about the Sumters in mind, & advise you as soon as I can of what I can find out. Respy C. A. CILLEY. (18VV142) Nathanial Coffey is 78-- I lived with Henry Sumter in Burke, now Caldwell Co. ===========================(End of page 44)====================== N. C. for 12 years. Think he came from Va. He often got letters from his brothers and sisters in Ky-Was over 80 years when he died; & (Wm. Sumter) died 45 or 50 yrs ago. He was a cousin of Genl Wm Sumter, who lived (after the Revolution) & died on the waters of Mulberry Creek, on land now owned by Jas. M. Millan, in this (Caldwell) Co. He (Wm Sumter) died about 45 or 50 years ago, aged over 80. He had a son shot at & killed or wounded by the Tories on his way home from the Revolutionary War, in revenge for this he raised a Company & shot or hung men named Baldwin, Clark, & Herring--Genl McDowell of Burke, his superior officer sent him word to quit or he would come down and attend to him. (Genl. Wm. Sumter was probably a Captain or Major; military titles grow rapidly after a war) He owned and carried on a grist mill-Hi. 2 daughters married, one a Buckner, & moved to Ky. One a Randall & lived in Burke Co. N. C. He & Henry both were cousins & Henry claimed to be a cousin of Genl. Thos. Sumter of S. C. There was a John Sumter*(*Not a son of Gen. Thos. Sumter, but of Capt. John Sumter, & grandson of Capt. Wm. Sumter; See E. J. Houston's letter July 19, 1874. L. C. D.) a son of Genl Thomas Sumter of S. C. who came up here, a drinking man, & married old Parson Millers daughter, & had a son Robert--a tanner, & a daughter Caroline, who married a Hagler, & a daughter Mary who married a Powell, then John wandered off & died, & his widow married a Puett. So much for old Nat. Coffey. I learned from many sources the following; John, said to be a son of Genl Thos. Sumter, of S. C. came here many years ago, married Sarah Emily Miller, had Robert O--Caroline & Mary--their children. He took to drinking, & in an absence from home died in the front yard of Mrs. Moore of Gaston Co. N. C. under a cedar tree. She had him buried. His son Robert 0. was a tanner, is well recollected by many of our citizens, worked a while for Jasper Harper, uncle to Hon. J. C. Harper. He went to Georgia--Caroline is the wife of A. E. Hagler of this County-& has several grown sons & daughters. She is now away from home, will be back in 2 or 3 weeks. I will then see her and find out what she knows. As she is a lady of great pride, I have no doubt she will be well advised on her descent from the stout old partisan. Mary married Nelson A. Powell, bore him 3 children & died 20 years or more ago. He still resides here. A Thomas Sumter, known as Gentleman Tom, a cabinet maker, specimens of whose craft are in many old mansions in the county, was said to be a brother of John & Son of the Gen.--He lived 3/4 mile above Mr. Harper's house on the Yadkin river, near Patterson, & thence went to Georgia or some where thereabouts. Mrs. Puett (nee Miller) died 13 months ago. As to the Sumter., my wife says she heard that many years ago an old citizen of this county received a letter from Genl Thomas Sumter of S. C., asking about "Gentleman Tom" & answered that he was poor, but honest & hard working--The Genl replied, he wd rather learn that than to hear he was rich & a rascal. -- Ananias Allen, who died last year aged 94, told his son, who told me, that Gentle man Tom was Genl Thomas Sumter's son, & that John was also his son. -- (Draper Ms.. 18VV146) Taken in Oct 1873 Henry Sumter, son of John Sumter Sr. & according to Mrs. Jane Sumter, nephew of Genl Thos. Sumter, lived many years in Burke, now Caldwell Co. & died about 1860 leaving no issue. He came from Va., & had a brother & some sisters in Ky.-- He died aged over 80- Genl William Sumter, a cousin* (*This is a mistake as Genl Wm was brother to Genl Thos Sumter, L. C. D.) to above, & nephew of Genl Thos. Sumter, lived in Burke, now Caldwell Co., on the waters of Mulberry Creek, from the close of the Revolution until his death, about 1825 or 1830--His son having been shot by Tories when coming home from the war, he raised a command & in revenge began to shoot ====================(End of page 45)================== & hang suspected Tories here. When had disposed of three, Gen. Charles McDowell, his senior, caused him to desist. One of his daughters married a Mr Buckner of Ky--another married a Mr Randall of Burke. He died aged over 80--was a low chunky man. John Sumter brother to Henry S. son of (see above & not son of Genl T. L. C. D.) Genl Thos. Sumter, came to Burke, now Caidwell County-- 5O or 6O year. ago & married Sarah Emily Miller (whose nephew still resides here). By her he had 3 children, Robert 0. Sumter, who was a tanner & who moved to Missouri--Caroline who is the wife of Albert E. Hagler of this County; & Mary who married N. A. Powell of this county & died, leaving 3 children, John soon after went to Lincoln, now Gaston Co. & died at Mr. Moore's house, 1 mile from Brevard Station on the R.R. from Charlotte to Lincolnton. He must have died nearly 50 years ago--His widow was afterwards married to Joseph Puett, & has herself died, about 13 months ago, at a great age. Further intelligence can be had about the descent & descendants of Genl. Thos. Sumter, as soon as Mrs. Hagler can be seen. She is now absent on a visit.-- The above information is given by Nathaniel Coffey, aged 78, who lived with Henry Sumter 12 years. (Draper Mus. 2VV232.) Lenoir, N.C. July 5, 1875. Mr. L. C. Draper Dr Sir Your letter of may 11th came to hand in due time. I would have written sooner but have been quite unwell & unable to collect much information about the Sumter Enclosed you will find some information which I got from a relation in So Ca in his own hand--Capt. Billey Sumter brother to Gen. Thos. Sumter, had six sons William, John, Thomas, James, Fielding & Livingston--Three daughters Amelia, Elizabeth & Judith. They came to N. C. from Va--Capt Billys son John was shot in the hand by Tories. His father was so enraged, that he ordered every Tory shot-- Isaac Baldwin & Jerry Clark were captured & brought to Capt. Billy Sumter & he had them shot.-- There is a little circumstance which took place in Len-- between one Elisha Baldwin & a party of disguised men. he, Baldwin, had stolen a cow bell & concealed it The disguised men got after him & ran him to the river he hollowing--the flat the flat-- and the flat hapened to be on the side that Baldwin was on. he ran into & through the flat into the river & swam across--this is a different Baldwin & happened long since the Revolution-- he was a native of this county-- This has often been related in connection with the killing of the Tory Isac Baldwin I am not able to say whether Gen Thos Sumter had a brother John or not perhaps you might get that information by writing to Lynchburg, V.a. Capt. Billy Sumter was a large fine looking man & died about 8 miles above Lenoir on the watters of Mulberry creek. have not got his age nor when he died but will try to get it as soon as I can--my Father, John Sumter died when I was very young and I have not been with my Sumter relations much an(d) consequently do not know a great deal about them an old jentleman living near Lenoir says that my Grand Fathers name was John a son of Capt Billey Sumter and married Ann a daughter of Capt. Robert Alexander of the Revolution, who married a sister of Capt. Jack of Va.-- This is about all the information I can give you at present but I am trying to get some of the old family records and if I succeed I can perhaps give you more--I have a Photograph of Gen Thomas Sumter if you have not got one I will send it to you-- Yours truly C. A. HAIGLER. ==================(End of page 46)===================== COPY. The State Historical Society of Wisconsin, Madison. April 19, 1922. Mr. C. K. Hill, Harriman, Tenn. Dear Mr. Hill -Miss A. A. Nunns is away on a vacation. The research associate of our Society asks me to report a. follows concerning your letter of April 10th. She has examined carefully Vols 3 and 18 of the Sumter Papers and has concluded Dr. Draper found nothing reliable about Sumter's ancestors. 18VV33 gives Dr. Draper's conclusions in 1872 concerning his birthplace. After that he corresponded with a family named Cave (2VV17) for their traditions; amd other. who pointed out Sumter's boyhood home (2VV34) gives a map locating this. Nothing seems to go back of Sumter'. mother who was a widow when recollections begin. Dr. Draper located the descendants of Sumter's two brother; Edmund and William, and of his sister Patience, whose second husband was named Suddarth. Some of the latter had family traditions that Mrs. Sumter belonged to a noble family, and married Sumter's father against her father's wishes. (18VV20, 31); but no one could give "Granny" Sumter's maiden name. Her daughter Patience seems to have been born on the ocean when migrating to America. In 2VV103 is a list of the English Sumter's; but De Lage Sumter, Thomas Sumter's grandson wrote Dr. Draper that the family in America had never been able to prove connection. Part of 2VV is taken up with accounts of Sumter's trip to England in 1762 to accompany the Cherokee Chiefs. Any thing we can do for you we will be glad to do. The photostating of all of 2VV would be very expensive and certainly unsatisfactory as to Sumter's ancestors. Yours very truly, JOSEPH SCHAFER w Superintendent. =======(End of SUMTER discussion on page 47)=======

Due to its size, this article will be posted in two parts. Editorial Notes: Lines of text have been "left-justified". Paragraphs are separated by a blank line. All text within a paragraph have been "word-wrapped". ============================ Source: "The Huguenot", No. 4 [1929]; published by The Huguenot Society; pp 41-47; LDS Microfilm V163-0024 SUMTER Richard Sumter appeared on a settlement of Estate, King William Parish, Virginia, 1744. (Who was Richard Sumter's Huguenot wife?) From Mr. C. R. Hill, Sumter descent, of Harriman, Tennessee, comes the following family chart, and copy of family records: William Sumter and John Sumter lived in Virginia. One of these brothers had Capt. William Sumter, who married Judith Randall, and died in Burke County, North Carolina, in 1829-30, and Capt. John Sumter, Sr., born ca. 1735-40 married Catherine, and General Thomas Sumter b. 1735, d. 1832 in South Carolina. Capt. William Sumter and Judith Randall had William of Pendleton District, South Carolina, 1790; John, who married Ann Alexander, and was shot by Tories; Thomas, born 1761 in Albemarle County, Virginia. He was a Revolutionary Pensioner of Knox County, Tennessee, married Lydia Kirkpatrick; James of Burke County, North Carolina, 1790; Fielding, Livingston (probably minors in 1790); Amelia married a Buckner of Kentucky; Judith married a Randall of Burke County, North Carolina; Elizabeth married Edward Owings (Owens). (Ancestors of C. K. Hill.) Capt. John Sumter and Catherine had John, who married Sarah E. Miller (she married 3d a Pruitt and d. 1810-20); and Henry, who d. in 1860, and another son and daughter, who went to Kentucky. John Sumter, Jr., and Sarah E. Miller had Robert 0. Sumter, who settled in Missouri, and Caroline, who married Albert E. Hagler, living in 1873 and left descendants in Caldwell County, North Carolina. Gen. Thomas Sumter, famed officer of South Carolina in the American Revolution married and had Col. Thomas Sumter, married Natalie DeLage, and had Pauline b. 1812, d. 1889, married Dr. Bromfield, and had Calista, married Charles Boyle. Gen. Thomas Sumter had a sister Martha Sumter, who married William Suddarth, who d. in 1768 in Virginia, and a sister Dorcas, who married Claudius Bustard of Virginia. It is stated in family records that the great South Carolina General Sumter was son of either William Sumter or John Sumter of Albemarle County, Virginia, and it is an undisputed fact that he was born in that county on the Sumter lands. Both William Sumter's and John Sumter's families emigrated to North and South Carolina. Dr. Charles Brown was acquainted with Mrs. Suddarth and his testimony is accepted about the family. Mrs. Suddarth was highly recommended by President Jefferson for her efficiency as a nurse. ==========================(End of page 41)=================== Both William Sumter, who married Judith Randall, and John Sumter, who married Catherine, bought land in Albemarle County, Virginia, in 1763, on Poindexter Creek. This land was sold in 1779 and ths families emigrated to South Carolina, settling on Pridges Creek and Herring Creek. Martha Sumter, who married William Suddarth, had Lawrence, born in Amherst County, Virginia, but moved to Albemarle County, and d. on Green Creek in 1815, and James, who had land of William Sumter conveyed by Lawrence Suddarth. James Suddarth and his wife had William Suddarth, who married Martha and d. in 1832; James Suddarth; and Mildred Suddarth, who married John Turner. William Suddarth and Martha had William H. Suddarth; James Suddarth; Sarah Suddarth, who married Robert Porterfield; Martha Suddarth, who married Richard Littleford; Richard P. Suddarth, who married Martha Morris; Nancy Suddarth, who married George Paris; Elizabeth Suddarth, who married John W. Deltor; and Mildred Suddarth, who married William Page and d. 1850. Nancy Suddarth, who married George Paris, had a daughter Sarah, who married Henry Barrow. Mildred Suddarth, who married William Page, had James Page; Randolph Page; William T. Page; Mary Page, who married David Hicks; Patience Page, who married Rice Clark; Thomas Page; John Page, and Benjamin Page. Dorcas Sumter, who married Claudius Bustard, had Mary Bustard, who d. aft. 1818, and married James Hays b. 1763, d. 1812; and Mary Bustard, who married James Hays, had Malinda Hays b. 1807, d. 1870, m. 1825 Rev. William Hamersley b. 1789, d. 1860; and Rev. Hamersley and Malinda Hays had Sarah Elizabeth Hamersley b. 1832, d. 1885, m. 1858 David Williamson b. 1828, d. 1873, and they were the parents of Mrs. Martha A. Williamson Davis of Columbia, South Carolina. These records are from Mrs. Davis and Wood's "History of Albemarle County, Virginia. - ------------------------------ DRAPER MANUSCRIPT from the State Historical Society of Wisconsin, Madison Page 635, Reports and Resolutions, S. C. 1908, Vol. 3, address by Henry A. M. Smith unveiling of monument to Gen. Thomas Sumter: "William Sumter was born in Hanover County, Virginia, on the 29th October, 1731. Redd knew him to he brother of Gen. Sumter. Thomas Sumter was born in said county on August 14th, 1734." Also: "There is, however, in the possession of Gen. Sumter's lineal descendants an old leaf, which is traditionally said to be a leaf from the family Bible. This old leaf has written upon it in quite archaic script the following entries: '(births copied above) Page 636 John Redd of Henry County, Virginia to Lynn C. Draper and dated the 13th of June 1850.' General Sumter's mother was a widow when I first knew her, which was when I was quite a small boy. When I left Orange County in 1774 the old lady was then living. General Sumter's sister married a man by the name Lan McCrady." The history of South Carolina in the Revolution, page 564, says General Sumter's mother was a Virginian of English stock COPY. Rev. War. Section. Department of the Interior Bureau of Pensions Washington. June 28, 1917. Sir:-In response to your communication dated the twentieth instant, you are advised that from the papers in claim R. File No. 10,312 Rev. War, it appears that ======================(End of page 42)==================== Thomas Sumter was allowed Pension on his application executed July 6, 1833, at which time he was a resident of Knox County, Tennessee. He stated that he was born Dec.15, 1761 or 1762, in Albemarle Co., Va., but that he resided in Burke Co., N. C., where he enlisted as a substitute for his father William Sumter, in April, 1778, as a Fifer, under Capt. Thomas Whitson, in Colonel Joseph McDowell's regiment and served against the Cherokee Indians; six months. Enlisted February, 1781, as a Private, under his father Captain William Sumter, served three months and a half, and was discharged by Colonel James Rickerd. He also stated that General Sumter was his uncle. Thomas Sumter married in Burke County, N. C., March 18, 1790, Lydia____* name not stated. Births of some of their children; Jean, born January 18, 1791, John, '' October 29, 1792, James, '' Sept.17, 1794, Robert, '' Oct. 30,1795, William, '' Mar.13, 1797, Betsey Ann, '' Jan.16, 1802, Susannah, '' Apr.30, 1804, Lydia, '' Aug. 8, 1806, Mary, '' December 2, 1807, Thomas Sumter died January 15, 1846, and Lydia Sumter died August 26, 1850 leaving the following children: Elizabeth Bayless, Mary Anderson, Elvira Kline and Edward Sumter. Very respectfully, E. C. TIEMAN Acting Commissioner. *From data I have, Lydia wife of Thomas Sumter was Lydia Kirkpatrick. (C. K. H.) COPY. The State Historical Society of Wisconsin, Madison. Mr. C. K. Hill, April 24, 1922. Harriman, Tenn. Dear Sir -Our research associate reports that according to the account of a grandson of William Sumter (8VV285) the William Sumter the father of William and Thomas Sumter was a redemptioner, show sold his services for his passage to America (?). His widow lived and died in Albemarle County, Virginia, and Thomas was born on Preddy's Creek in the northern part of Albemarle County, close up to the Orange County line (2VV34). William Sumter continued to live in Albemarle County until 1777; there he married Judith Randall (8VV293) and there all their children were born (8VV288). The youngest son was born in Albemarle County in 1773 as stated by his son James; and the family removed to Burke County, N. C. in 1777. This is borne out by the Albemarle County records, which give various deeds of purchase of William & Judith Sumter from 1763 to 1777 when they sold all their lands. These records were examined by Dr. Draper and the report is in 2VV65. Another of Capt. "Billy" Sumter's descendants reported that be moved to North Carolina during the Revolution (latter part) (2VV83). The experiences of Capt. William Sumter with the Tories are related at some length by his grandson James (8VV280.288). ==========================(End page 43)=======================

FLOYD R. SUMPTER (ROBERT7, JAMES6, FIELDING "EBB"5, WILLIAM4, WILLIAM THOMAS3, NICHOLAS2, NICHOLAS1) was born 1881 in Randolph County, MO, and died 21 November 1962 in St. Louis, St. Louis County, MO. He married ALTA ROBERTS 6 June 1904 in Randolph County, MO. FLOYD R. SUMPTER: Floyd R. Sumpter, Formerly of Felps Community, Dies Floyd R. Sumpter, 81-year-old farmer of the Felps Community east of Jacksonville, died yesterday morning in St. Louis. He is survived by a daughter, Mrs. Ruby Markham of St. Louis and a granddaughter, Mrs. Barbara Bixby, of St. Louis. Funeral services will be held at 9:30 o'clock Monday Morning in St. Louis. The body will be bought to the Felps Cemetery for graveside services at 1:30 o'clock Monday afternoon under the direction of the Cater Funeral Home of Moberly. Copied from the "Moberly Monitor-Index", Randolph County, Moberly, MO, 65270, 22 Nov. 1962, d. 21 Nov. 1962

BENJAMIN FRANKLIN SUMPTER: B.F. Sumpter, 70 Dies; Funeral To Be Held Thursday Benjamin Franklin Sumpter, 70 died at 12:50 o'clock yesterday afternoon at his home five miles northeast of Centraila. He had been in ill health for the past 1 1\2 years and seriously ill six weeks. He was born in Howard County, but lived in Moberly most of his live. The past eight years he had lived in his home near Centrailia. He became a member of the Antioch Christian Church many years ago. He is survived by his wife; a daughter, Mrs. John Adams of Moberly; a son, Herschel Sumpter of Centraila; a granddaughter, Miss. Betty Jean Hunter of Moberly; a sister, Mrs. Mary Ellen Foster of St. Louis; and a brother, Floyd Sumpter of St. Louis. The body will remain at the Snow Funeral Home until tomorrow when it will be taken to the home of Mr. and Mrs. Walter S. Egelston, 1201 Henry Street. The funeral will be held at 1 o'clock Thursday afternoon in the West Park Methodist Church. Burial will be in Antioch Cemetery. Copied from the "Moberly Monitor-Index", Randolph County, Moberly, MO, 65270; Tue. 7 Jan. 1947, d. 6 Jan. 1947 Survived by g-daug. Miss. Betty Jean Hunter living in Moberly, Randolph County, MO in 1947. (BENJAMIN FRANKLIN SUMPTER (ROBERT7, JAMES6, FIELDING "EBB"5, WILLIAM4, WILLIAM THOMAS3, NICHOLAS2, NICHOLAS1) was born Abt. 1877 in Howard County, MO, and died 6 January 1947 in rural Centralia, Boone County, MO.) Burial: 8 January 1947, Antioch Cemetery, Randolph County, MO

Our country. Air: Old hundred. H. De Marsan, Publisher, 60 Chatham St. N. Y. [n. d.] IMPRINT New York, New York: H. De Marsan RELATED NAME(S) Publisher: H. De Marsan SHELF LOCATION American Songs and Ballads, Series 4, Volume 4 LYRICS OUR COUNTRY. Air: Old Hundred. Our Country! 'Tis of thee we sing, Our hopes around thee fondly cling,! Thou hast been honored in the past, And still may all thy greatness last. Thy statesmen all we claim as thine, Our patriot sires, with gifted mind, Our heroes brave and scholars true Alike proclaim a fame for you. Let not a FATHER'S words be lost, Our country severed, torn and tost; Let not secession's Hydra head, With all its ill, on thee be shed. Shall Jackson's predict come at last, When Webster from the stage has past, Whose eyes beheld "the setting sun" Illume the land of Washington. Where are our Henrys, Gates and Wayne, Shall we now seek their like in vain? Our Sumpters, Marions and Starks, Our Prescotts, Irvings and Sparks. Let not our country's greatness fade, Nor UNION in the dust be laid; Let all unite in freedom's band, The heroes of a happy land. Then will our country onward soar, Nor stain a land with brother's gore; Her beacon lights will ever be The signals of the brave, the free. H. DE MARSAN, Publisher. Songs, ballads, toy-books. 60 Chatham str. New-York.

http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?ammem/mgw:@field(DOCID+@lit(gw210082)) The Writings of George Washington from the Original Manuscript Sources, 1745-1799. John C. Fitzpatrick, Editor.--vol. 21 Head Quarters, New Windsor, Saturday, January 6, 1781. Parole --. Countersigns --. The General has the pleasure of communicating to the Army the following interesting and agreeable pieces of Intelligence which have been received from Major General Greene. On the 20th. of November Brigadier General Sumpter was attacked by Colonel Tarleton the famous British Partizan atBlack Storks on Tyger river in South Carolina. Tarleton made three vigorous charges in the two first he was repulsed by the troops posted in General Sumpter's front, in the third he obliged the advanced troops to fall back upon the main body by whom he was so warmly received that he retreated with precipitation leaving ninety two dead and one hundred wounded upon the field. Colonel Tarleton had in the action three hundred Cavalry, one hundred and thirty of the 63d regiment and one hundred of the 71st. The smallness of our Loss compared with that of the enemy is most remarkable we having but three men killed and four wounded among the latter is the brave General Sumpter himself, in the shoulder. The beginning of December Lieutenant Colonel Washington of the 3d. regiment of light dragoons with one hundred horse came up with Colonel Rugely, Major Cook and one hundred and twelve tory officers and soldiers who had taken post in a logged barn strongly secur'd by Abbatis on Rugely's farm twelve Miles from Campden. Colonel Washington, unable to force them for want of artillery made use of the following stratagem. He mounted a pine Log on a carriage and holding out the appearance of all Attack with field Pieces he sent in a flag and demanded an immediate surrender which was complied with. By these and several smaller successes the Enemy are kept pretty closely confined to their Posts at Campden, Weemsborough and Ninety six, at each of which they are pretty strongly fortified.

Seeking info on the family of Bluford Sumpter who was born July 1, 1834 in Indiana. He married Mary J. Cotrell 11 May 1856. Bluford was killed in a accident and she remarried John Rush ca 1880. I know this isn't much to go on but I am helping a friend and this is all he has. Thanks Nora borts@gte.net

Via snail mail today from Barbara Jones, I received subject information and would like to personally thank her. These seven pages, referencing the "History of Albemarle County, Virginia" and the "Draper Manuscript", has some exciting information and a clue possibly linking Henry Sumpter (married to Agnes Dillon) as an uncle to General Thomas Sumter. As soon as I scan the seven pages and clean-up the scan-errors, I will post them on this list for all to review. Best regards, Jim Young

Jim Landrum, I have found that Edmond , George and John are the sons of Richard. Henry purched 133 acres from William Ferris, Clumberland, Va., 23 Jan 1765 (Deed Bk. 4, Page 264). About 1770?71 he enlisted under Captian Joseph Carrington for Minute Service in Amelia Dis. In 1777 He, algone with George and John too oath of allengence in Henry Count VA. Bought land in Henry Co. from Charles Foster, 28 Sep 1780. He was on the tax list in 1782-1787. Barbara Jones

I have a Patton Deed for william Sumter in Burke Co. Issued Nov 9 1782 for 400 acres of land. Brumbly creek runs through the middle of it. Grant #871 Entry No. 772 Book no. 57 and Page No. 46. The deed is hard to read, not a very good copy. Barbara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Young" <myoung@icok.net> To: <SUMPTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2000 11:52 AM Subject: Re: [SUMPTER] William Sumpter and Hanover County > Hi Jim Landrum, > > Your scenario (see below) regarding the time frame on establishment of the > counties may help in putting together the fragmented data, both records and > testimonial, on early SUM(P)TERs. Now the question is "When was Preddy > Creek established and can other records referencing Preddy Creek be found > in any of Albemarle County's parent counties?". > > Perhaps, by studying the evolution on the establishment of counties within > Virginia as it relates to SUM(P)TER involvement coupled with studying the > relationship of other individuals involved in the records and photocopying > and comparing signatures (or their "MARK"), we may be able to link family > members along a particular migration path. I think comparison of > signatures and relationship of other individuals recorded on records would > add another dimension to our research and eventual findings. > > Perhaps, with a further study of the Draper papers coupled with documented > recorded, Alaxander Sumpter's diary notes and other testimonials and family > lore, we will have a basis for establishing Richard and Jean SUMPTER as > being or not being the progenitor of all early 1700s SUM(P)TERs in in > Virginia. Of course, the burned counties will make such a task more difficult. > > Assuming William (alleged father of General Thomas Sumter) descends from > Nicholas SUMPTER in Histon, England and he was not disowned by his family, > I would think several of William's descendants would be named "Nicholas" in > honor of the alleged progenitor of this family line. If I'm incorrect, > please set the record straight because I'm not aware of one descendant > being named "Nicholas". With the absence of the name "Nicholas" among the > descendants of William and Elizabeth Patience Sumpter, this tends to > indicate that William does not descend from Nicholas SUMPTER in Histon, > England. > > As Jim Landrum and Jane Malone-George speculates, perhaps the George > Sumpter, age 19, St. Brides, Fleet St., London didn't arrive in Virginia in > 1721. Perhaps, he died before boarding a ship or died during the voyage or > shortly after arriving in VA. > > Comments are welcome. > > Jim Young > ============== > At 07:30 PM 02/07/2000 -0500, Jim Landrum wrote: > >I believe the Hanover County connection comes from the Draper manuscripts. > >Letters from people of Albemarle County, Virginia, date in the 1870's, say > >that the Sumpter's lived on Preddy Creek in now Albemarle County. This > >County came down as follows: > >New Kent > >1720 Hanover > >1742 Louisa - Where Williams's will recorded > >1744 Albemarle > >As previously noted New Kent is burned. Hanover is burned. I feel early > >researchers were taking leaps we have not been prepared to take. > > > >Next theory > >The supposed son of William, Edmond, is supposedly in Lunenburg County in > >1764 and Charlotte from then on. Charlotte is out of Lunenburg in 1764. A > >George, Henry, and Aggy Sumpter are tied to this Edmond as witnesses on a > >deed. Perhaps George, Edmond, and Henry are all brothers and sons of either > >Richard or William. They all show up for the first time in the mid 1760's. > >The only sons of William for sure are John and William who both move on to > >North Carolina. This would cancel my earlier theory that Henry and Edmond > >are George's sons. This also would tie into Alexander Sumpter's notes when > >he says they have an Uncle John (William's son) who has a son William who > >both served in the revolution. As I have noted before this note matches John > >Sumpter, son of William (Father to the General) > >I think now I have put all the scenerios possible out there. I believe in > >covering all my bases in case someone (Please) who finds the key to this > >family. > =============== > > > ==== SUMPTER Mailing List ==== > Have you posted your line or query lately? A recently joined cousin may help you make a connection!!! > REMINDER ! ! ! Send your messages to: SUMPTER-L@rootsweb.com > ======================================================= > >

Hi Jim Landrum, Your scenario (see below) regarding the time frame on establishment of the counties may help in putting together the fragmented data, both records and testimonial, on early SUM(P)TERs. Now the question is "When was Preddy Creek established and can other records referencing Preddy Creek be found in any of Albemarle County's parent counties?". Perhaps, by studying the evolution on the establishment of counties within Virginia as it relates to SUM(P)TER involvement coupled with studying the relationship of other individuals involved in the records and photocopying and comparing signatures (or their "MARK"), we may be able to link family members along a particular migration path. I think comparison of signatures and relationship of other individuals recorded on records would add another dimension to our research and eventual findings. Perhaps, with a further study of the Draper papers coupled with documented recorded, Alaxander Sumpter's diary notes and other testimonials and family lore, we will have a basis for establishing Richard and Jean SUMPTER as being or not being the progenitor of all early 1700s SUM(P)TERs in in Virginia. Of course, the burned counties will make such a task more difficult. Assuming William (alleged father of General Thomas Sumter) descends from Nicholas SUMPTER in Histon, England and he was not disowned by his family, I would think several of William's descendants would be named "Nicholas" in honor of the alleged progenitor of this family line. If I'm incorrect, please set the record straight because I'm not aware of one descendant being named "Nicholas". With the absence of the name "Nicholas" among the descendants of William and Elizabeth Patience Sumpter, this tends to indicate that William does not descend from Nicholas SUMPTER in Histon, England. As Jim Landrum and Jane Malone-George speculates, perhaps the George Sumpter, age 19, St. Brides, Fleet St., London didn't arrive in Virginia in 1721. Perhaps, he died before boarding a ship or died during the voyage or shortly after arriving in VA. Comments are welcome. Jim Young ============== At 07:30 PM 02/07/2000 -0500, Jim Landrum wrote: >I believe the Hanover County connection comes from the Draper manuscripts. >Letters from people of Albemarle County, Virginia, date in the 1870's, say >that the Sumpter's lived on Preddy Creek in now Albemarle County. This >County came down as follows: >New Kent >1720 Hanover >1742 Louisa - Where Williams's will recorded >1744 Albemarle >As previously noted New Kent is burned. Hanover is burned. I feel early >researchers were taking leaps we have not been prepared to take. > >Next theory >The supposed son of William, Edmond, is supposedly in Lunenburg County in >1764 and Charlotte from then on. Charlotte is out of Lunenburg in 1764. A >George, Henry, and Aggy Sumpter are tied to this Edmond as witnesses on a >deed. Perhaps George, Edmond, and Henry are all brothers and sons of either >Richard or William. They all show up for the first time in the mid 1760's. >The only sons of William for sure are John and William who both move on to >North Carolina. This would cancel my earlier theory that Henry and Edmond >are George's sons. This also would tie into Alexander Sumpter's notes when >he says they have an Uncle John (William's son) who has a son William who >both served in the revolution. As I have noted before this note matches John >Sumpter, son of William (Father to the General) >I think now I have put all the scenerios possible out there. I believe in >covering all my bases in case someone (Please) who finds the key to this >family. ===============

Hi, I saw an email tonight giving history related to Gen. Thomas S. parents and I accidentally wiped it out. Could the person who sent it please send me the history? I descend from Ann Sumter/Sumpter who married Thomas Land. Thanks, Lynn Hawkins

I have a few copies of John David Supter, Sr's signature (off of letters he wrote to Draper.) I have a scanner and would be more than happy to scan them in. Let me know where to upload them too. Eric T. De Kraai ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Young" <myoung@icok.net> To: <SUMPTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 07, 2000 9:19 PM Subject: [SUMPTER] Signatures > For comparison purposes, perhaps, now is the time to consider collecting > photocopies of early Sumpter signatures on deeds, wills, probates and other > records requiring signatures. I would think that the SUMPTER family > surname on Myfamily.com established by Dorothy Hober would be an excellent > place to upload the signatures for all to review and compare one against > the other. Dorothy, do you think your website would be suitable for such a > project? If Dorothy's website is not suitable for photocopies of > signatures, perhaps I can find a website suitable for this purpose. > > Does anyone have any photocopies of signatures which you are willing to > share for uploading. Anyone not having a scanner can snail mail the > photocopies to me for uploading with you receiving the credit. > > Comments are welcome on this subject. > > Jim Young > > > ==== SUMPTER Mailing List ==== > NOTICE !!!! RootsWeb prohibits posting test messages, virus warnings, chain letters, political announcements, current events, missing children reports, flames, etc. (in other words - SPAM) to the list. Such postings could result in your removal from the list for a period of time. For information on virus hoaxes see <http://www.kumite.com/myths/>. > ======================================================= > >

On 3 Feb 2000, Jim Landrum asked for documentation on sibblings of Gen T Sumter. Following are deeds recorded in Charlotte Co, VA, concerning Edmund Sumpter and his children. All deeds refer to Ward's Fork or Chickentown Road. 7 Oct 1768 Deed bk 2 pp 104-6 Edmund Sumpter from Joyce 220 acres for 30 pounds. 1 June 1797 deed Bk 8 p 7 Anne widow of Edmund Sumpter deceased, Mary Ann, William, Thomas, Martha, Aggy, Andrew, Nanny, Lewis Tackett who married Susanna and John Sumpter, children of said Edmund to Edward Williams 50 acres for 15 pounds 11 Mar 1811 Deed Bk 12 p 53 Andrew Sumpter & wife Kizziah to Thos Moseley 23 acres $70.50 11 Mar 1811 Deed Bk 12 p 54 Andrew Sumpter & Kizzy to Thos Moseley 20 acres $60.75 2 Oct 1820 Deed Bk 15 p25 John Sumpter to Wood and Harvey 100 acres for 63 pounds of prior indebtedness 23 Jan 1823 deed Bk 16 p 238 Mary Ann Sumpter and Thomas Sumpter to Thos Wood 68 acres $50.00 April 1828 Deed Bk 18 p 78 John Sumpter to Thomas Puch and Isham Harvey mortgaged property but continued to live on same 13 Nov 1835 Deed Bd 21 p 138 Thomas Sumpter to Isham Harvey 32 acres $80.00 20 Nov 1827 Pittsylvania Co, VA, Deed bk 29 p 290 Andrew Sumpter appears in a deed of trust to secure his debt to Obediah Reynolds. 29 Oct 1841 Henry Co, VA, Deed bk 12, p 392 George Sumpter and Martin Turner to Smith and Griegs mentions a tobacco crop on the land of Andrew Sumpter. Conclusions: Edmund Sumpter had 220 acres of land which was divided among his children and which they eventually sold. William married Betsy Wheeler and moved to Kentucky about 1808. John married Hannah Morrison and later moved to Giles Co, VA. Andrew moved to Pittsylvania Co and Thomas apparently remained in Charlotte Co. Jane Sumpter Malone-George

For comparison purposes, perhaps, now is the time to consider collecting photocopies of early Sumpter signatures on deeds, wills, probates and other records requiring signatures. I would think that the SUMPTER family surname on Myfamily.com established by Dorothy Hober would be an excellent place to upload the signatures for all to review and compare one against the other. Dorothy, do you think your website would be suitable for such a project? If Dorothy's website is not suitable for photocopies of signatures, perhaps I can find a website suitable for this purpose. Does anyone have any photocopies of signatures which you are willing to share for uploading. Anyone not having a scanner can snail mail the photocopies to me for uploading with you receiving the credit. Comments are welcome on this subject. Jim Young