Thank you Giles, Nivard and Frances for your very interesting comments and information. I have seen some Thomas Ives DENNY entries, and will try see if there is a connection to him, thanks for the SOC ref, it may come in very useful. Thank you Giles. Your Denny GARDENER also sounds interesting Nivard, especially that he is a son of  an 'Edmund', that christian name runs down thru the DENNY line that I am working on, just about every family in every generation uses it, even down to our soninlaw. He actually hates that name, but he may yet have cause to be proud of it. I can but try. I have yet to find the DENNY line I am working on, that far north in Suffolk Frances, but it is early days, only been working on the DENNY lot for two months. I will keep your information just in case. Thank you all Pat ________________________________ Alfred Edmund Denny born 1886 Great Bealings s/o John DENNY and Jane KING, has the dubious reputation of being a bigamist. I have found two marriages for him, so far no deaths or remarriages of his two wives. He next fathers a child with the lady? he is living with, but she is said to have thrown him out when she discovered he was a bigamist. I know the story from then to present day, Have been able to trace the direct line back to a marriage in 1795 of Edward DENNY( b to Margaret KNAPPET/NAPPETT.(b Campsea Ashe abt 1776) I have no place of birth for Edward apart from Suffolk, born abt 1766, he appears in the 1841 Census, an Ag lab.  traced three children born in Rendlesham.? Ezekiel abt 1799, Elias abt 1806, Ephraim abt 1793.