Hi Paula I had thought about middle names and the like. My father was Roy, but everybody called him Steve and he would often sign himself a Steve. Where and why he got the name Steve he never knew, but for the 50 years of working on the railway he was never known as Roy, except on his payslip. If the same has happened here, then I have little or no chance. Michael On 26-Sep-12 10:21 AM, Paula Hadgraft wrote: > Hi Michael, > > I have looked but not found much to help you either, however I did > have one thought. > > What if John was the middle name of her father and that is what he was > known as. I have had a few relatives that have gone by their middle > names and they have been found in the census with that name. > > So for example: George John, Thomas John. > > It is just a thought anyway. > > The other one is perhaps Helen was her middle name too and her first > name was Elizabeth, but she prefered Helen instead. > > I will keep looking and see if I can find anything else. > > Paula