Hi Giles, Thanks for your reply. I know all about alternative spellings, LOL. You wouldn't believe how many I've come across for my surname Hadgraft. I think there was something like a dozen I've counted so far. :) My problem with my Ann Clemence is that although she married in Ipswich, she doesn't appear to have been born there. I know that there are quite a few Clements families around Debenham and Ipswich, however there are a lot of Clements burials in Ipswich for people that weren't born there. I've also discovered on the IGI that there is an Ann Clements b. 1758 in Haverhill. Although the names of parents for this Ann Clements in Haverhill don't appear anywhere in her descendants, but the Ann supposedly born in Wetheringsett to Henry and Ann do. I know that you can't really just go by this as not all children named there kids after their parents, but it was a common practise at this time. At the moment I want to confirm that there is a baptism for Ann Clements at Wetheringsett and then try and track down where her siblings went to and see if I can find a clue that way. Thank you, Paula On 6 September 2012 23:57, Giles Colchester <[email protected]> wrote: > The name Clemence is an alternative spelling for Clements. Spelling wasn’t > really consistent until the early 1900s when the Oxford dictionary became > relatively well distributed. Up to then spelling was phonetic and in the > local accent. And the earlier the date, the more that statement is true. > Thus it is a very reasonable hypothesis that Clemence and Clements are the > same person. Some where I have a copy of a will where my surname is spelt > three different ways in the same will. > > > > Wishing you every success in your researches > > Giles Colchester, > > Researching COLCHESTER family, any spelling, any time, any place > > And PACKARD in Suffolk > > > > Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 18:15:52 +1000 > > From: Paula Hadgraft <[email protected]> > > Subject: [SFK-UK] Ann Clements b. 1760 Wetheringsett - help needed please > > To: [email protected] > > <snip> > > I am hoping that this Ann Clements could be the same Ann Clemence b. > > c1759 that married my ancestor John Hadgraft on 25 Jun 1786 in St. > > Mary at Quay, Ipswich. > > <snip> > > Paula Hadgraft > >

I would have serious doubts about the Haverhill birth it makes no sense for them moving to Ipswich. Wetheringsett maybe has anyone checked settlement papers for Ann? Ken -------------------------------------------------- From: "Paula Hadgraft" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 2:43 PM To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [SFK-UK] Ann Clements b. 1760 Wetheringsett - help needed please > Hi Giles, > > Thanks for your reply. I know all about alternative spellings, LOL. > You wouldn't believe how many I've come across for my surname > Hadgraft. I think there was something like a dozen I've counted so > far. :) > > My problem with my Ann Clemence is that although she married in > Ipswich, she doesn't appear to have been born there. I know that there > are quite a few Clements families around Debenham and Ipswich, however > there are a lot of Clements burials in Ipswich for people that weren't > born there. I've also discovered on the IGI that there is an Ann > Clements b. 1758 in Haverhill. Although the names of parents for this > Ann Clements in Haverhill don't appear anywhere in her descendants, > but the Ann supposedly born in Wetheringsett to Henry and Ann do. I > know that you can't really just go by this as not all children named > there kids after their parents, but it was a common practise at this > time. > > At the moment I want to confirm that there is a baptism for Ann > Clements at Wetheringsett and then try and track down where her > siblings went to and see if I can find a clue that way. > > Thank you, > > Paula > > >

Hi Ken, I've checked on a2a for to see if there are any settlement certificates listed, but none that I could see for an Ann Clements. Also my Ann Clemence had an illegitimate daughter Frances Taylor Clements in 1781 in Ipswich, 5 years before she married John Hadgraft. I have also searched for a bastardy bond on a2a as well, but found nothing. Yeah, I don't think the one in Haverhill is my Ann either. I have quite a few ancestors who have moved from around the Debenham area to Ipswich, so unless I find another baptism for an Ann Clements for around 1759, I think this might be her. Now to just confirm the baptism at Wetheringsett and try and establish a connection, LOL. Paula On 8 September 2012 06:35, K Finch <[email protected]> wrote: > I would have serious doubts about the Haverhill birth it makes no sense for > them moving to Ipswich. Wetheringsett maybe has anyone checked settlement > papers for Ann? > > > Ken > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Paula Hadgraft" <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 2:43 PM > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [SFK-UK] Ann Clements b. 1760 Wetheringsett - help needed > please > >> Hi Giles, >> >> Thanks for your reply. I know all about alternative spellings, LOL. >> You wouldn't believe how many I've come across for my surname >> Hadgraft. I think there was something like a dozen I've counted so >> far. :) >> >> My problem with my Ann Clemence is that although she married in >> Ipswich, she doesn't appear to have been born there. I know that there >> are quite a few Clements families around Debenham and Ipswich, however >> there are a lot of Clements burials in Ipswich for people that weren't >> born there. I've also discovered on the IGI that there is an Ann >> Clements b. 1758 in Haverhill. Although the names of parents for this >> Ann Clements in Haverhill don't appear anywhere in her descendants, >> but the Ann supposedly born in Wetheringsett to Henry and Ann do. I >> know that you can't really just go by this as not all children named >> there kids after their parents, but it was a common practise at this >> time. >> >> At the moment I want to confirm that there is a baptism for Ann >> Clements at Wetheringsett and then try and track down where her >> siblings went to and see if I can find a clue that way. >> >> Thank you, >> >> Paula >> >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello I do not know if it is of any help but there was a CLEMMENTS family in Essex and Eliza married into my ABBOTT family in Dedham Essex in 1829 and I have her family backto 1766. Mike Abbott Researching ABBOTT, CLEMENTS, LOTT, CRANE in Essex,Suffolk, London and Kent and Williams in Kent, London and Hampshire

Hi Mike, Thanks for letting me know. If you find an Ann Clements born around 1758-1760 in your research can you let me know. I don't think she would have come from Essex, but you can never tell with how much they moved around. Paula On 8 September 2012 13:35, michael john abbott <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello > > I do not know if it is of any help but there was a CLEMMENTS family in Essex > and Eliza married into my ABBOTT family in Dedham Essex in 1829 and I have > her family backto 1766. > > Mike Abbott > Researching ABBOTT, CLEMENTS, LOTT, CRANE in Essex,Suffolk, London and Kent > and Williams in Kent, London and Hampshire > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Michael, I was just looking through my database and realised that I do have a load of Clements ancestors from Essex. Mainly around Good Easter, Roxwell and Writtle area. Going back to: William Clements b. abt 1610 who married Alice Skinner on 30 Mar 1635 at Writtle. It's a fair way from Dedham I know. Let me know who you have managed to get back to so far and I'll keep an eye out while looking for my own? Paula On 8 September 2012 13:35, michael john abbott <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello > > I do not know if it is of any help but there was a CLEMMENTS family in Essex > and Eliza married into my ABBOTT family in Dedham Essex in 1829 and I have > her family backto 1766. > > Mike Abbott > Researching ABBOTT, CLEMENTS, LOTT, CRANE in Essex,Suffolk, London and Kent > and Williams in Kent, London and Hampshire > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message