Hello G P Crawford, I have people enumerated twice in censuses in the USA and the UK across the decades. I know that in our most recent census, I wrote in the margin that my older son was out of the country because I wanted future genealogists to be able to put the pieces together. Not that the computer will take note, but the forms were scanned and will be available in 72 years. Have you looked at FreeBMD for later events with Rose and Harold Victor? Carol B. > Hallo listers > > I have a bombshell in following a younger sibling ,Marshall, of my grandfather I found him on the above census living in Camberwell London evidently a tram driver. He is still married to Rose nee goldbold with a son Harold victor 13 years old at school. So far so good then another separate entry for Harold in an industrial school east ham London his birth place was right whereas in the other entry it was given as ham. > Any ideas as to what went on? > What is an industrial school and why has he disappeared from then on I cant find a trace of in any record after that. > > Regards > > G P Crawford >

From: Carol Bradford <[email protected]> > Hello G P Crawford, > I have people enumerated twice in censuses in the USA and the UK > across the decades. I know that in our most recent census, I wrote > in the margin that my older son was out of the country because I > wanted future genealogists to be able to put the pieces together. > Not that the computer will take note, but the forms were scanned and > will be available in 72 years. > Have you looked at FreeBMD for later events with Rose and Harold > Victor? > Carol B. > > > > Hallo listers > > > > I have a bombshell in following a younger sibling ,Marshall, of my > grandfather I found him on the above census living in Camberwell > London evidently a tram driver. He is still married to Rose nee > goldbold with a son Harold victor 13 years old at school. So far so > good then another separate entry for Harold in an industrial school > east ham London his birth place was right whereas in the other entry > it was given as ham. > > Any ideas as to what went on? > > What is an industrial school and why has he disappeared from then > on I cant find a trace of in any record after that. > > > > Regards > > > > G P Crawford < < As Carol says, there are many examples of people being enumeraed twice in the censuses. It usually happened because the householder didn't understand the instructions (remember we are talking about an age in which many people were still illiterate or only semi-literate). The householder might put down a child who normally lived at home but at the time was away, not realising he shouldn't have done. An industrial school was a kind of early Borstal or approved school to try and prevent difficult children from bad homes from getting into trouble. Google them and you should find lots about them. The industrial school entry for 1911 says Harold Victor Crawford was born at "London or Ipswich" and FreeBMD has only one entry that fits - for Harold Victor Crawford born at Ipswich registration district in the Dec quarter of 1897 (vol 4a page 913). In the entry where he is with his parents it gives his birth place as Peckham - that cannot possibly be correct unless the lad didn't know himself where he was born (always possible). Marshall Crawford, the father, is shown as being born at Ipswich. Have you checked emigration and shipping lists in case he went abroad? -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

From: Carol Bradford <[email protected]> Date sent: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 10:59:28 -0400 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SFK-UK] 1911 census Send reply to: [email protected] > Hello G P Crawford, > I have people enumerated twice in censuses in the USA and the UK > across the decades. I know that in our most recent census, I wrote > in the margin that my older son was out of the country because I > wanted future genealogists to be able to put the pieces together. > Not that the computer will take note, but the forms were scanned and > will be available in 72 years. > Have you looked at FreeBMD for later events with Rose and Harold > Victor? > Carol B. > > > > Hallo listers > > > > I have a bombshell in following a younger sibling ,Marshall, of my > grandfather I found him on the above census living in Camberwell > London evidently a tram driver. He is still married to Rose nee > goldbold with a son Harold victor 13 years old at school. So far so > good then another separate entry for Harold in an industrial school > east ham London his birth place was right whereas in the other entry > it was given as ham. > > Any ideas as to what went on? > > What is an industrial school and why has he disappeared from then > on I cant find a trace of in any record after that. > > > > Regards > > > > G P Crawford > > To add to my previous message, I suggest you look at the 1901 census which shows Harold V Crawford, son of Marshall and Rose Crawford, living at Victoria Street, Ipswich, and both Harold and his father as having been born at Ipswich. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE