On 2012/09/22 17:05, Michael wrote: > I'm having great trouble trying to pin down my Gt Granny who according > to the 1901 census was born Yarmouth, Suffolk in 1872 and according to > the 1911 census Yarmouth, Norfolk in 1873. > > According to her marriage certificate of February 1899, Kilburn, > Middlesex. She was the daughter of John WILSON a deceased fisherman. Sounds as though she was illegitimate in which case, she was probably registered under her mother's name. No Helen Elizabeth's that I can see for that period. Plenty of Ellen Elizabeth's though :-) -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg
From: Mike Fry <[email protected]> > On 2012/09/22 17:05, Michael wrote: > > > I'm having great trouble trying to pin down my Gt Granny who > according to the 1901 census was born Yarmouth, Suffolk in 1872 and > according to the 1911 census Yarmouth, Norfolk in 1873. > > > > According to her marriage certificate of February 1899, Kilburn, > > Middlesex. She was the daughter of John WILSON a deceased > fisherman. > > Sounds as though she was illegitimate in which case, she was > probably registered > under her mother's name. No Helen Elizabeth's that I can see for > that period. > Plenty of Ellen Elizabeth's though :-)> I wouldn't always put too much credence on a named father on a marriage certificate. In my experience people who were born illegitimate often "invented" a father on a marriage certificate to avoid embarrassment if they didn't wish to tell their intended or the vicar! I have seen a number of certificates where I knew for a fact that the father of one of the parties was an invention. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE
From: [email protected] > From: Mike Fry <[email protected]> > > > On 2012/09/22 17:05, Michael wrote: > > > > > I'm having great trouble trying to pin down my Gt Granny who > > according to the 1901 census was born Yarmouth, Suffolk in 1872 > > and according to the 1911 census Yarmouth, Norfolk in 1873. > > > > > > According to her marriage certificate of February 1899, > > > Kilburn, Middlesex. She was the daughter of John WILSON a deceased > > fisherman. > > > > Sounds as though she was illegitimate in which case, she was > > probably registered under her mother's name. No Helen Elizabeth's that I can see for > > that period. > > Plenty of Ellen Elizabeth's though :-)> > > I wouldn't always put too much credence on a named father on a > marriage certificate. > > In my experience people who were born illegitimate often "invented" > a father on a marriage certificate to avoid embarrassment if they didn't wish to tell their > intended or the vicar! > > I have seen a number of certificates where I knew for a fact that > the father of one of the parties was an invention.> I presume the gt-grandmother of Michael, the OP, was Hellen [sic] Elizabeth Wilson who married Thomas Barlow Lonsdale at Kilburn Holy Trinity on 19 Feb 1899 (Ancestry's London Parish Registers)? In the 1901 census she is indeed shown as being born at Yarmouth, Suffolk, Thomas B Lonsdale was born 1868 at Brighton and they had a son of one, born 1900 at Willesden. Like Mike in South Africa, I think Hellen (or whatever her name was) was born illegitimate and, as I said, she probably invented a father on her marriage certificate. FreeBMD has no Helen Elizabeth Wilson born at Yarmouth in 1872 or thereabouts, which of course is not to say conclusively that her father wasn't John Wilson, fisherman! -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE
I have seen the same on a family tree Roy. I knew the tree well. it turned out the father given on this tree was a complete invention as the mans whose tree it belonged to, was illegitimate and I knew the mother was the other of this fellow I was enquiring about. They turned out to be brothers who knew nothing of one another at that point. On the death bed of the one I was enquiring for. Edie ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, September 24, 2012 3:24 AM Subject: Re: [SFK-UK] bastardy orders > From: Mike Fry <[email protected]> > >> On 2012/09/22 17:05, Michael wrote: >> >> > I'm having great trouble trying to pin down my Gt Granny who >> according to the 1901 census was born Yarmouth, Suffolk in 1872 and >> according to the 1911 census Yarmouth, Norfolk in 1873. >> > >> > According to her marriage certificate of February 1899, Kilburn, >> > Middlesex. She was the daughter of John WILSON a deceased >> fisherman. >> >> Sounds as though she was illegitimate in which case, she was >> probably registered >> under her mother's name. No Helen Elizabeth's that I can see for >> that period. >> Plenty of Ellen Elizabeth's though :-)> > > I wouldn't always put too much credence on a named father on a marriage > certificate. > > In my experience people who were born illegitimate often "invented" a > father on a marriage > certificate to avoid embarrassment if they didn't wish to tell their > intended or the vicar! > > I have seen a number of certificates where I knew for a fact that the > father of one of the > parties was an invention. > > -- > Roy Stockdill > Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer > Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ > > "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, > and that is not being talked about." > OSCAR WILDE > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >