Hi,  My ancestor Montague Charles RIST  joined the Maritime Regiment with the Royal Artillery  in WW1, a Gunner ,and they accompanied the Conveys to and from America. On October 15 1941 the ship was torpedoed - later Isaac(his father)was told that in the panic of getting off the ship someone kicked Monty in the face and he drowned.  I was able  to get his Service # 1520399.  I am not able  to find the ship he was on or any other info.  The old website I used to be able to access and print out the info no longer is available and I was wondering if  someone could please help? Thankyou  Dawn in Canada On 2018-11-15 3:39 PM, suffolk-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Send SUFFOLK mailing list submissions to suffolk@rootsweb.com > > To subscribe via email send a message with subject subscribe and body > subscribe to suffolk-request@rootsweb.com > > To unsubscribe via email send a message with subject unsubscribe and > body unsubscribe to suffolk-request@rootsweb.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > suffolk-owner@rootsweb.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of SUFFOLK digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Samuel Sore and Alice Wham (David Gobbitt) > 2. Samuel Sore and Alice Wham (Liz Maxwell) > 3. Re: Samuel Sore and Alice Wham (Liz Maxwell) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 12:33:57 +0000 (UTC) > From: David Gobbitt <davidgobbitt@yahoo.co.uk> > Subject: [SFK-UK] Re: Samuel Sore and Alice Wham > To: "suffolk@rootsweb.com" <suffolk@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <660141641.1639291.1542285237829@mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Hello Liz > > Alice WHAM married Samuel SORE at Ipswich St Margaret on 25 December 1814 (Suffolk FHS marriage index). > > She appears to have been baptized at Stanton All Saints in 1787, a daughter of John WHAM and Alice SMITH, who had married in the neighbouring village of Bardwell (about 11 miles NE of Bury St Edmunds) in 1784 (FamiySearch.org). > > That could explain her name in a death notice published by the Bury and Norwich Post on 26 January 1853: > > "On the 21st inst., after a long affliction, in her 66th year, Alice Smith, widow of the late Mr. Samuel Gardener Sore, cooper, of Abbeygate-street, in this town." > > David > ________________________________ > From: Liz Maxwell <lizmax@optusnet.com.au> > To: Suffolk <Suffolk@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, 14 November 2018, 5:47 > Subject: [SFK-UK] Samuel Sore and Alice Wham > > Good Afternoon, > > I have the above persons in my family tree. and I am hoping that someone can help me to fill in a few gaps > > Samuel Sore and Alice Wham married ? parents ? > > They had 6 children all born Bury St Edmunds Hannah Maria b 1815, John b 1816, Samuel B 1817 , Georgiana b 1819 ,Emma b1820 and Emily b 1829 > > >From the 1851 census Samuel and Alice were born Bury (Bury St Edmunds ?) Suffolk act 1791 and on both the 1841 and 1851 Samuel’s occupation was a “cooper” . > > On a “UK register of paid for apprentices Indentures “ I have found a Sam Sore master, location Bury St Edmunds Suffolk., Cooper. Payment due 30/04/1783. > > Also a Land Tax Redemption 1798 Cook Row. Both tenant and proprietor are Saml Sore.Residence St Mary, Bury St Edmunds,Suffolk England > > I am wondering if this Samuel is possibly the father of Samuel b 1791 and if so is there any way of proving it. It seems a coincidence that both Samuels are “coopers." > > Thank you > > Liz maxwell > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2018 06:51:47 +1100 > From: Liz Maxwell <lizmax@optusnet.com.au> > Subject: [SFK-UK] Samuel Sore and Alice Wham > To: Brian Lummis via Suffolk <suffolk@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <2A45C8F3-6D2A-4778-B1F2-58813A772F54@optusnet.com.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Thank you Brian for the birth and baptism of Samuel Gardener Sore. Wonder where the Gardener came from? ,possibly a family name. They names their first son John and second Samuel . So looks like the name Samuel was passed down > > Thanks once again > > Liz > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2018 10:39:25 +1100 > From: Liz Maxwell <lizmax@optusnet.com.au> > Subject: [SFK-UK] Re: Samuel Sore and Alice Wham > To: David Gobbitt <davidgobbitt@yahoo.co.uk>, Suffolk > <suffolk@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <91E8D245-6C21-40DC-A59F-940E4836BA2F@optusnet.com.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi David, > > Thank you for the information. I got out my road atlas of the Uk and found the places where the Sore and Wham families lived. > > I have found a death for Samuel Sore July 1851 bury St Edmunds and as Alice died in 1853 it is possible that it is the right man. I wonder what her long affliction was ? > > Thanks once again > > Liz > > > >> On 15 Nov 2018, at 11:33 PM, David Gobbitt via SUFFOLK <suffolk@rootsweb.com> wrote: >> >> Hello Liz >> >> Alice WHAM married Samuel SORE at Ipswich St Margaret on 25 December 1814 (Suffolk FHS marriage index). >> >> She appears to have been baptized at Stanton All Saints in 1787, a daughter of John WHAM and Alice SMITH, who had married in the neighbouring village of Bardwell (about 11 miles NE of Bury St Edmunds) in 1784 (FamiySearch.org). >> >> That could explain her name in a death notice published by the Bury and Norwich Post on 26 January 1853: >> >> "On the 21st inst., after a long affliction, in her 66th year, Alice Smith, widow of the late Mr. Samuel Gardener Sore, cooper, of Abbeygate-street, in this town." >> >> David >> ________________________________ >> From: Liz Maxwell <lizmax@optusnet.com.au> >> To: Suffolk <Suffolk@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, 14 November 2018, 5:47 >> Subject: [SFK-UK] Samuel Sore and Alice Wham >> >> Good Afternoon, >> >> I have the above persons in my family tree. and I am hoping that someone can help me to fill in a few gaps >> >> Samuel Sore and Alice Wham married ? parents ? >> >> They had 6 children all born Bury St Edmunds Hannah Maria b 1815, John b 1816, Samuel B 1817 , Georgiana b 1819 ,Emma b1820 and Emily b 1829 >> >> From the 1851 census Samuel and Alice were born Bury (Bury St Edmunds ?) Suffolk act 1791 and on both the 1841 and 1851 Samuel’s occupation was a “cooper” . >> >> On a “UK register of paid for apprentices Indentures “ I have found a Sam Sore master, location Bury St Edmunds Suffolk., Cooper. Payment due 30/04/1783. >> >> Also a Land Tax Redemption 1798 Cook Row. Both tenant and proprietor are Saml Sore.Residence St Mary, Bury St Edmunds,Suffolk England >> >> I am wondering if this Samuel is possibly the father of Samuel b 1791 and if so is there any way of proving it. It seems a coincidence that both Samuels are “coopers." >> >> Thank you >> >> Liz maxwell >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/suffolk@rootsweb.com >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > To contact the SUFFOLK list administrator, send an email to suffolk-owner@rootsweb.com > > To post a message to the SUFFOLK mailing list -- suffolk@rootsweb.com, send an email to suffolk@rootsweb.com > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to suffolk-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. > > ------------------------------ > > End of SUFFOLK Digest, Vol 13, Issue 76 > ***************************************

Hi Dawn I presume you mean the CWGC was the site <https://www.cwgc.org/search-results?term=Montague%20Rist%20&name=Montague%20Rist%20&fullname=Montague%20Rist%20> Gunner RIST, MONTAGUE CHARLES Service Number 1520399 Died 15/10/1941 7/4 Maritime Regt. Royal Artillery Son of Isaac and Rosa Mary Rist, of Mistley, Essex. Also listed in the Army Roll of Honour Name: Montague Rist Given Initials: M Rank: Gunner Death Date: 15 Oct 1941 Number: 1520399 Birth Place: Suffolk Residence: Essex Branch at Enlistment: Royal Artillery Theatre of War: At sea Regiment at Death: Royal Artillery Branch at Death: Royal Artillery The administration of his estate in 1942 RIST Montague Charles of Church Farm Mistley Essex died 15 Oct 1941 on war service Administration Ipswich 1 July to Isaac RIST Farmer Effects £177 10s I can find his attestation in 1938, plus casualty list (missing) and (KIA) but none so far mention the ship he was on Assuming he died on the day the ship was sunk there were two UK ships listed as sunk on that day The Empire Heron And the Silvercedar Both part of the same convoy by the looks of it and both torpedoed https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_shipwrecks_in_October_1941 Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 16/11/2018 05:38, dnachtigall wrote: > Hi,  My ancestor Montague Charles RIST  joined the Maritime Regiment > with the Royal Artillery  in WW1, a Gunner ,and they accompanied the > Conveys to and from America. On October 15 1941 the ship was torpedoed - > later Isaac(his father)was told that in the panic of getting off the > ship someone kicked Monty in the face and he drowned.  I was able  to > get his Service # 1520399.  I am not able  to find the ship he was on or > any other info.  The old website I used to be able to access and print > out the info no longer is available and I was wondering if  someone > could please help? > > Thankyou  Dawn in Canada