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If you have any questions about the Boards or what the following is, pls contact me off-list at: mailto:SUFFOLK-admin@rootsweb.com . Thanks, Peter SUFFOLK List Admin. -------------------------------------------------- Re: Marjoram Family Tree This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ejw2713 Surnames: MARJORAM, WALNE, STANLEY, Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8528.6.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I love your sketches! I am more of a photographer myself but I wish I could draw. I can't help you any further with those you've trancribed yet, but I did come across a Marjoram gravestone in Hempnall yesterday while looking for another part of my tree - not far away from any of the places you've been. It was for a James Marjoram and his wife Sarah Ann - James died in 1892. While I don't have Marjorams in Pulham I have Walnes (my own surname) and Stanleys and links to a few other names, so it could just be a matter of time before I unearth a second line. Happy to do additional look ups in the NRO for you as I feel sure there is a link to my line somewhere. -------------------------------------------------- Edward and William Brackett 1522 militray survey Baberg hundred-Sudbury This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: brackettwilliam Surnames: Brackett Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8594/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am researching the Brackett families of Sudbury, Suffolk, England from about 1522-1640. My ancester Richard Brackett came to New England by 1630. Richard was the son of Peter and Rachel Brackett of Sudbury. Peter Brackett died in 1616 in Sudbury and Rachel remarried to Martin Saunders. Richard, his brother Peter, their sister Rachel (Brackett) Newcomb; wife of Francis Newcomb, their remarried mother and her second husband were all in the Boston/Braintree area of Massachusetts by 1640. I am interested in contacting anyone working on these families in Sudbury or elsewhere. -------------------------------------------------- Re: Goodchild FamilySuffolk UK. This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: DavidWalton63 Surnames: Goodchild/Foggin Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/3002.1.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi, David was the son of George Goodchild 1820-1893 from what I can gather he married three times, his eldest daughter from his thired marriage was Alice Mary who was born 1863 in Barkingside Essex. She eventualy moved to Corbridge to be housekeeper and subsequently married Robert Foggin in 1901 she had a son Robert Allen Goodchild born Hartlepool 1892 who lived at Corbridge until enlistment in 1914. Alice Mary and Robert foggin had two children Annie, 1901 and Joseph Edward 1903, Alice Mary died in 1933 aged 70 years her sibblings were all in the Hartlepool area at that time. -------------------------------------------------- ADOPTIONS This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: 9generationsmanynames Surnames: SAGON / KING Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8595/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Finally looks like I made headway on my double surname, "Sagon-King". by records I've found my gr.grandfather James Sagon, s/o Mary Sagon. James was christened 17 July 1849 Suffolk County Bts. Mary his mother was single, she married Henry John King 20 Jun 1858. My question now is did Henry John adopt James as he uses "Sagon-King" on occassion & that surname has been brought down 2 my generation. Any help would be appreciated. Mary's was daughter of William Sagon & Mary Gardener, Henry John was the son of Robert King. -------------------------------------------------- Re: ADOPTIONS This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Robesure Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8595.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: It depends what you mean by 'adoption'. Until 1927 there were no formal adoptions in England, but prior to that there are many instances of informal arrangments. It was quite normal for children of Widows who married again to be called by the surname of a second husband, so I cannot see any problem in the illegitimate child of a single woman being called by the surname of a later husband. There will not however be any formal procedure. In this case it seems that James wished to preserve his roots and retained both names. Often in such cases one of these names are just passed on as a second given name but in this case has been preserved as a surname. -------------------------------------------------- Re: Sir Mackenzie Bowell / John Bowell This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: geoffnorcott1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/704.3.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Regarding Norcott / Bowell. Unfortunately Uncle David died a few years ago and Antie Joan. Gran (Phyllis nee Gardener)Norcott is still alive and well and living in Perth Aus at the grand age of 99 not out. Geoff Norcott -------------------------------------------------- CARMAN / KEABLE/Keeble This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: vivian669 Surnames: Carman/Keeble Classification: lookup Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8596/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am trying to locate the marriage of Abraham CARMAN to Sarah KEABLE/Keeble,which would be in the Suffolk area. They were married before 1769. I have located on the IGI a marriage which may be mine but it does not give grooms name.If SKS lives near Martlesham Ipswich could they have a look for me at 18th Jan 1764 Martlesham, Suffolk. Sarah Keeble marriage. film no 184171 page 129 ref no 3722. Thanks a lot. Viv -------------------------------------------------- Re: ROW: Suffolk Wills - 1700 to 1900 This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: vivian669 Surnames: KEABLE/CARMAN Classification: will Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/2832.12/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Peter, I am intrested in the name of KEABLE, they were from Laxfield, Fressingfield, with possible MENDHAM & WITHERSDALE links. My Sarah had a child with Abraham CARMAN although they said they were married I have yet to trace this. He was arrested in 1783 and was hung in 1785 approx. She was then sent transported to Australia. Hoping you can help. Cheers Viv -------------------------------------------------- Edward Baker from Herringswell late 1700's This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: goldengirlynnl55 Surnames: Baker, Munson, Rutledge, Cobbon(Cobbin) Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8597/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I would be interested in hearing from anyone who is researching the Baker family. So far I have ancestors from Mildenhall and the surrounding areas. I can go back as far as 1772 for a definite birth. -------------------------------------------------- Re: HOBART This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: franhobart Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/268.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thomas William Hobart was son of John Robart Hobart and Harriet Podd. John Robert was a well known animal artist from Monks Eleigh -------------------------------------------------- Re: ROW: Suffolk Wills - 1700 to 1900 This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: helbow76 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/2832.13/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi peter, I would be interested to find out any info on the Fisk and Gooch surnames you have listed. My paternal ancestors are from the mutford/ beccles/kessingland region in suffolk. Any info would be much appreciated Regards Helen -------------------------------------------------- John Baldwin - Chelsea Pensioner - Servered East Indies This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: baker18651 Surnames: Baldwin Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8600/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Not sure if this is the correct area but I hope someone can send me in the right direction. I just found my ancestor's military record. Name was John Baldwin (born 1806-died 1871) at Bures Suffolk. He enlisted in the 49th Regitment at Colchester on the 15th November 1825 and served for 20 years, with 11 years being in the East Indies. I've seen on WDYTYA, some people searching for BDM records in East Indies. Where are they? Can't seem to find them on Ancestry at the moment. Are they on Ancestry or somewhere else? Thank you.. -------------------------------------------------- Re: John Baldwin - Chelsea Pensioner - Servered East Indies This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: baker18651 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8600.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Additional question: Are there any passenger lists to & from the East Indies during this time? -------------------------------------------------- Re: Arthur Ward/Harriett Gates This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: glemsue Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8598.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Not much help really, but 1911 census says Arthur born c1848 in Coddenham Suffolk and Harriett c1857 Croydon. It also says they had been married 28years but I couldn't find a marriage. -------------------------------------------------- Re: Pain family of England This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: peggysullivan114 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8599.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: 1841 census Thomas Pain 60 Farmer Mary Pain 45 John Pain 20 Hannah Pain 12 Elizabeth Pain 7 John Pain 71 Ind: All born here living Hall,Ellough,district of Wangford Sub:District of Beccles Suffolk -------------------------------------------------- Re: Pain family of England This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: peggysullivan114 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8599.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: 1841 census Thomas Pain 60 Farmer Mary Pain 45 John Pain 20 Hannah Pain 12 Elizabeth Pain 7 John Pain 71 Ind: All born here living Hall,Ellough,district of Wangford Sub:District of Beccles Suffolk -------------------------------------------------- The Folly, Monewden This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: robert1sahvncvul3qbj9vchkvjltfsgdk4 Surnames: Peck Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8601/mb.ashx Message Board Post: My nan Grace Hilda Peck lived in Monewden from 1914 - 1930. She lived at a place called The Folly or Folly Farm, which was just north of Church Road. I am trying to find anybody that may have any memories of the Peck's, or the Folly. If there are any photo's or drawings of the folly from that period. Many thanks Robert Ireland -------------------------------------------------- Re: ADOPTIONS This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: 9generationsmanynames Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8595.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thank you -------------------------------------------------- Re: John Baldwin - Chelsea Pensioner - Servered East Indies This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Robesure Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8600.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: What are you looking for in the overseas BMDs? John was born and died in Bures, it is possible that he was married abroad and I have looked through the overseas marriages and there is nothing showing for a John Baldwin during his lifetime. I expect however that he married before central registration began in 1837 and as his wife Sarah was born in Boxford Suffolk, then I suggest that you start your search in the parish registers their. In 1851 they had a daughters Mary Ann b.c.1836 born in what appears to be Halstead, Suffolk (possibly Halstead Essex) and Sarah c1844, Stoke by Nayland, Suffolk. All these places are local to Bures, so it would seem that they did not travel far during this period. I cannot though see the family in Suffolk in 1841. I am not aware of any passenger lists available, but would think that military records are your best chance. I think however that his service was when he was young and he returned to Suffolk, married and settled afterwards. There is a chance that he had more than one marriage and had children born abroad, but without evidence it is difficult to undertake a search. ------------------------------------------------- Re: John Baldwin - Chelsea Pensioner - Servered East Indies This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: baker18651 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8600.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thanks for the reply. I also could not see the family in 1841 but they are in the 1851 and 61 (though Sarah was deceased by 1861). John is living with Maryann and her husband James Rice in 1871. What I wanted to see if it was possible that he did marry overseas. I do think the marriage that occured in 1826 to Sarah Reason in Suffolk is the more likely one but I just wanted to see if there were any other marriages to see if there was a possibility that the Sarah Reason marriage was not the correct one. His service records say that he spent 11 years 11 months in East Indies and 1 year 11 months in NSW & VDL (Australia). That totals almsot 14 years. He enlisted in 1825 and discharged in 1846.I was thinking maybe the 14 years was one long stretch of services overseas starting in 1825 and ending in 1840, but as Maryannn is born in 1836, then, the overseas service was more likely split. My guess is that if the family were not in the 1841 census then they were OS then. Just now need to see if there are any records to show him leaving the UK for the Indies & AUS, to get a time line. The service record only shows the total amount of service overseas. Thanks & Regards ------------------------------------------------- Re: Arthur Ward/Harriett Gates This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ELLinSpain Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8598.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: TIP: if you obtain one of the childrens birth certs, it will prove mums maiden name ------------------------------------------------- Re: John Baldwin - Chelsea Pensioner - Servered East Indies This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Robesure Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8600.2.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I assume that you obtained the Sarah Reason marriage via the IGI. This does seem feasable as it took place in Newton, about half way between Boxford and Bures. The only way to confirm if it is the correct couple would be to check the origional entry and see what it gives for the Groom's occupation and also possibly see if you can make a connection between the witnesses and your family. It also would still make sense to go through the Parish Registers of Boxford and Bures and maybe other local parishes to see if there are other possibilities. If John only signed up in 1825 and they married in 1826 then either Sarah must have travelled with him or they spent a lot of time apart. That might account for gap between the birth of Mary Ann and Susan. Incidentally the IGI gives a baptism 28 Jan.1828 in Bures of a John Baldwin, the son of John and Sarah. He could very well be another child and would tie in with an 1826 marriage. I cannot see this John in any census. There were also a John & Sarah Baldwin in the village of Wilby (in the north of Suffolk) with a family (including a John b.c.1828) at the same time. I doubt if the Newton marriage would relate to them. If there were children born abroad it would seem that none survived. If John had met a girl and married abroad it would be a great coincidence that she happenned to be a local Suffolk girl and it is very unlikely in those days that a single girl would travel abroad with a boyfriend and then marry whilst away. They would marry before departure ------------------------------------------------- Re: Pain family of England This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: tkpain Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8599.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thank-you Peggy. This is my husbands family. His sister did up a family book and it just starts with John Pain/Rebecca, so this is an excellent start to see how far back I can go and now to find out about his siblings. Thank-you so much ------------------------------------------------- Re: Arthur Ward/Harriett Gates This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: flowerbunny5 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8598.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Thanks for replying, I couldn't find a marriage either! And in one of the census' they have both lost (or gained I can't remember which!) 10 years! Thanks for looking, I will add the info to my tree Anna ------------------------------------------------- Re: Arthur Ward/Harriett Gates This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: flowerbunny5 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8598.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Thanks for replying, I ordered the birth certificate of one of the daughters - Violet Victoria Ward as that was the most uncommon name and so more likely to be their daughter and that's where the Gates name comes from, but I can't find a marriage for Arthur and Harriett and the closest likely marriage is a Harriett Collins! Anna ------------------------------------------------- Re: ROW: Suffolk Wills - 1700 to 1900 This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Peter_Row Surnames: ROW, PIERCE, COLE, FISK, AVIS, GOOCH, MASTERTON, WRIGHT, SCXHULDMAN Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/2832.13.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Helen, William Gooch was one of three witnesses of the Will of Nicholas Row of Bruisyard signed 07 Oct 1777. The others were Joseph Wright and William Schuldman. John Gooch and James Masterson occupied Real Estate in Bruisyard which was bequeathed to Ann Pierce, a daughter of Nicholas and the wife of Row Pierce, an Executor. Other beneficiaries were son, Robert Row and his son, John Row; daughter, Elizabeth Cole and her children, John Cole, Martha Cole and married daughter, Elizabeth Fisk and her daughter, Myrtilla; grand-daughter, Elizabeth Row; and grandson, William Row whose father William was deceased. Mary Avis, a servant, and her daughter, Elizabeth were also beneficiaries. Nicholas's son, Robert was also an Executor. Peter ------------------------------------------------- Sinclair This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ValerieWalton54 Surnames: Sinclair Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8603/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am looking for information about Mary S T Sinclair born about 1856 in Ipswich, Suffolk. Married William David Jones b. about 1857 in Chislett, Kent. I have searched census, birth, death and marriage records but can not find any more information or any trace of the Sinclair family in Ipswich at the time of her birth. Explored the possiblity of the name being St.Clair but one of her grand-daughters has Sinclair as a middle name which confirms that Sinclair is the correct last name for Mary. Can anyone suggest anywhere else that I can look? ------------------------------------------------- Re: Sinclair This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: glemsue Surnames: Jones,Chaplin Classification: marriage Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8603.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I take it you hadn't found their marriage record. 1911 census says they have been married 36 years, so found the following. William Thomas Jones Mary Sinclair F Chaplin 1877 Dec qtr. District: Maidstone County: Kent Volume: 2a Page: 1057 In the 1881 census Mr. Jones is listed as Thomas. ------------------------------------------------- Re: Sinclair This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: glemsue Surnames: Chaplin Classification: birth Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8603.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: This looks like the birth record. Mary Sinclair Chaplin 1856 Dec qtr. District: Ipswich County: Suffolk Volume: 4a Page: 517 ------------------------------------------------- Re: Sinclair This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: glemsue Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8603.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: 1861, Mary is in Kent with a couple and listed as niece. RG9; Piece: 530; Folio: 155; Page: 29; 1871, Mary still in Kent and listed with a different couple and still niece. RG10; Piece: 971; Folio: 10; Page: 12 I think it best to get the marriage and birth certs as this looks like the only way of finding out who her parents were. Let me know how you get on as I have Ipswich Chaplins in my ttree. -------------------------------------------------