Hello Nivard, Excuse my butting in, but the discussion on the STIFF line is interesting even though my own ancestors are not concerned ! You wrote : Sarah BLOIS b1792 is the oldest known child , so why when they married in 1781? (possible but raises doubts in my mind) If this is the correct marriage and Sarah CAUDELLs age is correct it would make her 16 on marriage , certainly not impossible but a question all the same However, if this info is from I.G.I., 1792 is Sarah's baptism date, which may be some time later than her birth date. If so, this would mean she was older than 16 when she married. Just a thought .... Michael Walsby On 17/08/2010 13:22, Nivard Ovington wrote: > Hi again Ivan > > Well perhaps I need a STIFF drink<vbg> > > I was going to say early on that I have a reputed STIFFE connection myself > but not having researched it myself I do not accept it until I have so did > not mention it > > A cousin of mine has researched it through so I can't vouch for it myself > until I get around to this line, I believe my cousin took someone elses > research for the earlier period but visited Suffolk records office for the > 1792 back to 1700 period > > What I can say with as much certainty as I can on any line is that my > g.g.g.grandmother was Sarah BLOIS b1792 Norton Suffolk > (she married Robert WELLS in 1814 Norton) and are in Horringer for many > years and are buried there > > Sarahs parents were Stephen and Sarah BLOYCE > > Read STIFF for STIFFE and vice versa > > Variations of BLOIS = BLOYCE , BLOISE etc etc > > =========================================== > > Before 1792 I have not personally checked but is as follows > > Sarah BLOIS b1792 parents are said to be Stephen BLOIS b1756& Sarah CAUDELL > b1765 > (married 1781 Mildenhall) > > Stephen BLOIS b1756 his parents are Stephen BLOIS b1734& Sarah STIFFE b1743 > Rattlesdon > (married 1755 Drinkstone) > > Sarah STIFFE b1743 parents are Daniel STIFFE b1705& Mary HINED b1725 > > Daniel STIFFE b1705 Drinkstones parents are John STIFF b1672& Sarah KING > b1670 > > John b1672 parents were John STIFF b1635& Elizabeth BUTALL b1635 > > John STIFF b1635 parents are John STIFFE b1602& Elizabeth BUTALL b1602 > > John STIFFE b1602 parents are John STIFFE b1573& Katherina or Kateryne > Barton DEICKES b1577 > > Robert STIFF b1535& Martha b1540 > > ========================= > > Now I have certain issues with the above > > Sarah BLOIS b1792 is the oldest known child , so why when they married in > 1781? > (possible but raises doubts in my mind) > If this is the correct marriage and Sarah CAUDELLs age is correct it would > make her 16 on marriage , certainly not impossible but a question all the > same > > If Sarah STIFFs age is correct it would make her 12 when she married in 1755 > and gave birth to her first that year , that I do have to question > > It does not take a degree in quantum physics to see that there are > apparently two John STIFFs who mary the same named Elizabeth BUTALL > (coincidence? I think not) > > But if all pans out, Sarah STIFF b1743 Rattlesdon has a brother Henry STIFF > > So take this at present with a large pinch of salt but perhaps food for > thought > > You will find over 30 trees on Ancestry with the STIFF line , I would advise > some caution but they may give you some clues > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > >> Hi Nivard Thanks for that but that is what I have can't seem to get >> back to his father! >> You may recall a few months back that at 83 I found my wife's father and >> am >> now trying to put the tree together and just to let you know we are coming >> back to England in Sept for a reunion with her brother and sister she did >> not know she had >> >> Ivan Spain > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SUFFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

You may butt in all you like Michael , the more the merrier :-) You are quite right in that a baptism is usually soon after birth but far from always But I believe you have the Sarahs mixed up unfortunately :-( The Sarah I was questioning if she married at age 16 was the Sarah CAUDELL who is said to be born 1765 and married 1781 I can believe the marriage at 16 but why did she have no children until 1792 some nine years later ? Its possible she had several still births or her hubby was away at the wars or .....? As far as Sarah BLOIS/BLOYCE b1792 is concerned, I am pretty certain she was born that year In 1841 with husband in Horningsheath aged 45 (but 1841 rounded down to nearest five) In 1851 again with family in Horningsheath aged 58 In 1861 a widow living in Horningheath on her own in Church Green aged 69 In 1871 at 1 Flint Cottages living with a Mary Copely in Horringer aged 79 (her husband) Suffolk: Horringer - Parish Registers with appendices and biographical notes, 1558-1850 Monumental Inscriptions in Horringer Churchyard. 1699. County: Suffolk Country: England 179. Robert Wells who died 12 Dec 1857 , aged 64 years. Suffolk: Horringer - Parish Registers with appendices and biographical notes, 1558-1850 Monumental Inscriptions in Horringer Churchyard. 1699. County: Suffolk Country: England Also Sarah Wells his wife, who died 10 Feb 1880 , in her 88th year. I forgot to mention in my last post My g.g.g.grandmother Sarah had three siblings the two youngest have the mothers maiden name on their baptism as follows VINE BLOYCE Birth: 16 APR 1798 Christening: 06 MAY 1798 Norton, Suffolk, England Father: STEPHEN BLOYCE Family Mother: SARAH CORDWELL C062061 1775 - 1879 0950447 Film 0883873 Film And ISABELL BLOYCE Birth: 18 MAY 1800 Christening: 06 JUL 1800 Norton, Suffolk, England Father: STEPHEN BLOYCE Family Mother: SARAH CAWDWELL C062061 1775 - 1879 0950447 Film 0883873 Film Hence the reasoning behind the CAUDELL marriage in 1781, the years between marriage and children still raises questions in my mind though Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Hello Nivard, > Excuse my butting in, but the discussion on the STIFF line is > interesting even though my own ancestors are not concerned ! > > You wrote : > > Sarah BLOIS b1792 is the oldest known child , so why when they married in > 1781? > (possible but raises doubts in my mind) > If this is the correct marriage and Sarah CAUDELLs age is correct it would > make her 16 on marriage , certainly not impossible but a question all the > same > > > However, if this info is from I.G.I., 1792 is Sarah's baptism date, > which may be some time later than her birth date. If so, this would > mean she was older than 16 when she married. > > Just a thought .... > > Michael Walsby

Yes, Nivard, I did get the Sarahs mixed up ! :-[ "the years between marriage and children still raises questions in my mind though" It's of no help, but, other than still births and hubby being away at the wars, could the couple have lived elsewhere than Norton between the supposed marriage and 1792 - maybe with earlier children in parishes not covered by I.G.I. or other indexes ? Given the 1781 marriage was in Mildenhall, Cambridgeshire could be possible. Any idea what Stephen's occupation was ? Hope this adds to the merriment ;-) Michael Walsby On 17/08/2010 20:11, Nivard Ovington wrote: > You may butt in all you like Michael , the more the merrier :-) > > You are quite right in that a baptism is usually soon after birth but far > from always > > But I believe you have the Sarahs mixed up unfortunately :-( > > The Sarah I was questioning if she married at age 16 was the Sarah CAUDELL > who is said to be born 1765 and married 1781 > > I can believe the marriage at 16 but why did she have no children until 1792 > some nine years later ? > > Its possible she had several still births or her hubby was away at the wars > or .....? > > As far as Sarah BLOIS/BLOYCE b1792 is concerned, I am pretty certain she was > born that year > > In 1841 with husband in Horningsheath aged 45 (but 1841 rounded down to > nearest five) > In 1851 again with family in Horningsheath aged 58 > In 1861 a widow living in Horningheath on her own in Church Green aged 69 > In 1871 at 1 Flint Cottages living with a Mary Copely in Horringer aged 79 > > (her husband) > Suffolk: Horringer - Parish Registers with appendices and biographical > notes, 1558-1850 > Monumental Inscriptions in Horringer Churchyard. > 1699. > County: Suffolk > Country: England > 179. Robert Wells who died 12 Dec 1857 , aged 64 years. > > Suffolk: Horringer - Parish Registers with appendices and biographical > notes, 1558-1850 > Monumental Inscriptions in Horringer Churchyard. > 1699. > County: Suffolk > Country: England > Also Sarah Wells his wife, who died 10 Feb 1880 , in her 88th year. > > I forgot to mention in my last post > > My g.g.g.grandmother Sarah had three siblings the two youngest have the > mothers maiden name on their baptism as follows > > VINE BLOYCE > > Birth: 16 APR 1798 > > Christening: 06 MAY 1798 Norton, Suffolk, England > > Father: STEPHEN BLOYCE Family > > Mother: SARAH CORDWELL > > C062061 1775 - 1879 0950447 Film 0883873 Film > > And > > ISABELL BLOYCE > > Birth: 18 MAY 1800 > > Christening: 06 JUL 1800 Norton, Suffolk, England > > Father: STEPHEN BLOYCE Family > > Mother: SARAH CAWDWELL > > C062061 1775 - 1879 0950447 Film 0883873 Film > > Hence the reasoning behind the CAUDELL marriage in 1781, the years between > marriage and children still raises questions in my mind though > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SUFFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi again Yes what you suggest is quite possible This is one reason I had not ventured into this line, it really needs hands on research in Suffolk to get to the bottom of it I just have doubts on the research thats been done so far, as usual most of the online trees have the same data , copied from one to another with the odd extra mistake thrown in for good measure Without finding good reason (such as in the PRs) its hard to pinpoint where any given couple were for a period of years in that time frame The 1781 marriage tells us :- Parish Register Mildenhall Page 25 The Year 1781 No79 Stephen Bloyce Widower Militia Man of this Parish and Sarah Caudell of this Parish single woman Married in this Church by Banns this eighteenth day of December in the year One Thousand Seven Hundred and Eighty One - By me G Emly Curate This marriage was solomnized between us The mark of Stephen Bloyce (signed) Sarah Caudell In the presence of Tho Dyson and Francis Brown Unusual for a girl to sign her name at that time I have been unable so far to find a first marriage for Stephen There is a burial in Norton for a Stephen BLOYCE 6th March 1818 aged 63 So the only occupation I have so far is Militiaman in 1781 but that would be short lived Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Yes, Nivard, I did get the Sarahs mixed up ! :-[ > > "the years between marriage and children still raises questions in my mind > though" > > It's of no help, but, other than still births and hubby being away at > the wars, could the couple have lived elsewhere than Norton between the > supposed marriage and 1792 - maybe with earlier children in parishes not > covered by I.G.I. or other indexes ? Given the 1781 marriage was in > Mildenhall, Cambridgeshire could be possible. > > Any idea what Stephen's occupation was ? > > Hope this adds to the merriment ;-) > Michael Walsby