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If you have any questions about the Boards or what the following is, pls contact me off-list at: mailto:SUFFOLK-admin@rootsweb.com . Thanks, Peter SUFFOLK List Admin. -------------------------------------------------- Re: HELP NEEDED for the birth date of SAMUEL HOWLETT, born WOOLPIT, SUFFOLK about 1836/1842?? This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: suffolkmawther Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8609.9.1.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Non-conformist records are held at Dr William's Library in London http://www.dwlib.co.uk/index.html However, I think that some are now available on Find My Past and Ancestry. Perhaps you may wish to start a new thread asking for a look up in Methodist records? White's Gazeteer is one of many directories of the county (and there are editions of other counties in the UK). I have both those editions at home. My husband bought the 1855 for me as a birthday thirty five years ago :-) Due to so much use I had to have it completely re-stitched a couple of years ago. I think thought that the 1844 is now available on CD and of course through Historical Directories online http://www.historicaldirectories.org/hd/index.asp There are lots of Suffolk directories on open shelves at all branches of the Suffolk Record Office. Pat ... -------------------------------------------------- Re: Thingoe Registration District This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: lummis1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8627.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am slightly surprised that the Bury RO did not know the whereabouts of the Thingoe Offices, Have a look at http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/604486 which shows a photo of the council offices. I have walked past many a time! Brian -------------------------------------------------- Re: FOWLES and BURGESS, Peasenhall, Suffolk This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: peggysullivan114 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8629.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Good idea to look at the birth certificate for at least one of the children which would give bothe parents names, GRO index birth Thomas Fowles Burgess Dec 1895 Blything ref 4a 916. can be purchased on line at www.gro.gov.uk -------------------------------------------------- Re: HELP NEEDED for the birth date of SAMUEL HOWLETT, born WOOLPIT, SUFFOLK about 1836/1842?? This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: joanharvey61d Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8609.9.1.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.2.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Pat Many thanks for your message, your help is very much appreciated. I will look on the websites you have suggested, in searching for my gt grandfather, Samuel Howlett from Woolpit, Suffolk. Joan Harvey (nee Hands) -------------------------------------------------- Re: parish records lookups This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: diamondlifestyle Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8609.10.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: hi, I assume you've got your info from the 1891 census, where she was living with her parents and grandparents in Burgh Castle? I'm afraid the parish records aren't much use to you after 1837, you should be able to find her birth certificate from the local records office if you want her date of birth etc. Kate -------------------------------------------------- Re: parish records lookups This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: suffolkmawther Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8609.10.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hello Kathy, Parish Records are always very helpful no matter when you are researching whether 1500s or 1800s. I have been lucky enough to use PRs that go up to the 1920s and have helped solve a lot of family queries on one of my lines over the years. Often you find more information is recorded in later entries too. Birth Certificates are not available at the local Record Office. You can order birth certificates from the General Register Office, but you need the correct information to hand to order them, make sure you have the correct ancestor. http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/ Burgh Castle is now in Norfolk and the PRs are at the Norfolk Register Office in Norwich. http://www.archives.norfolk.gov.uk/nroindex.htm We visited Burgh Castle and walked around the ruins of the castle in the rain earlier this year :-) We did not find much of the old village. However the views from the castle were wonderful. Pat ... -------------------------------------------------- Re: Thingoe Registration District This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Gobbitt Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8627.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Glad to have been of some help, Robert. Mildenhall would seem to be ruled out by the date of the marriage (before Thomas Robinson's appointment there) and by the signature of Sturley Nunn, the Superintendent Registrar, whose office was presumably in Ixworth or Bury St Edmunds. Many Thingoe officials clearly conducted a lot of union business within the enclave of Bury, and I see no reason why he should not have done so too, particularly for a couple as close as Rougham. If the location of the 1840 wedding was not announced in local newspapers, it could still be worth checking them for others held at the Superintendent's Office, to determine the normal practice at that time. I understand that register offices exact hefty fees from visitors who search the district indexes (the actual registers being closed to public scrutiny) but perhaps there is an affordable alternative. Superintendent registrars had to maintain "marriage notice books" recording, inter alia, the buildings in which proposed marriages were to be solemnized. Until 1840 these notices were read out at Poor Law guardians' meetings and possibly included in their minutes, while the books were always intended to be made available "without Fee to all Persons desirous of inspecting the same". The original provision in section V of the 1836 Act for Marriages in England (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~framland/acts/1835Act.htm) was repeated in very similar terms by the 1949 Marriage Act, part III, section 27(4) (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~framland/acts/1949Act.htm): "The superintendent registrar shall file all notices of marriage and keep them with the records of his office, and shall also forthwith enter the particulars given in every such notice ... in a book ... and the marriage notice book shall be open for inspection free of charge at all reasonable hours." Although there is just one volume from eastern England (Hertfordshire) catalogued at A2A, some of those books have been transferred to county record offices, indicating not only that they remain free from the restrictions imposed on the closely-guarded BMD registers, but also that they no longer have to be kept by registrars. So is the Superintendent Registrar in Bury St Edmunds obliged to produce Thingoe's inherited marriage notice book(s) on demand and without payment? David -------------------------------------------------- Re: HELP NEEDED for the birth date of SAMUEL HOWLETT, born WOOLPIT, SUFFOLK about 1836/1842?? This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jonwarrn Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8609.9.1.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.2.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: This may be him - Page 76 BAPTISMS solemnized in the Parish of Woolpit in the County of Suffolk in the Year 1835 1835 October 25th No.601 Samuel Son of John & Mary Ann Howlett late Goddard Abode: Woolpit Trade or Profession: Blacksmith Performed by L F Page, Curate -------------------------------------------------- Re: Thingoe Registration District This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Robesure Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8627.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thank you David. It looks as if I will be busy on my next visit to Bury. I shall have to plan it sometime next year. -------------------------------------------------- Re: HELP NEEDED for the birth date of SAMUEL HOWLETT, born WOOLPIT, SUFFOLK about 1836/1842?? This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: joanharvey61d Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8609.9.1.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.2.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Jon Thanks for your message and help. I have seen this, Samuel Howlett Baptised 1835, Woolpit, sent to me by a distant relative, thank you. I think this may be him because his father is John Howlett,a Blacksmith, which is stated on his marriage cert, in 1864, Reigate, Surrey. I have had this problem before, when searching for my gt grandfather on my fathers side. But why on earth do they give wrong ages on all census returns also on marriage certs. When Samuel Howlett married Eliza Slow in 1864, Samuel is age 24 and Eliza age 21. So Samuel should have been born about 1840. So about 5 years out, I could understand one or two years out but not five. Thanks again for your help. Joan -------------------------------------------------- Aldham parish look up? This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: cougarman2 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8630/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Can anyone do a look up for me please for a Lydia Ristrick (or Rustick) , baptised in Aldham, Suffolk about 1785? Thanks Geoff -------------------------------------------------- Thingoe Workhouse This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: yjfletcher Surnames: Edgar Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8631/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Does anyone know if ther are any records for Thingoe workhouse Bury St Edmunds -------------------------------------------------- Re: ST PETERS CHILLESFORD LOOKUP This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: tlevett1 Surnames: Levett, Chittleborough,Read, Knights,Danfer,Cady and Bantoft Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8521.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Robyne I do have a couple of photo's and an old newspaper cutting concerning the Bantoft's, I am doing some research of the people of the parish of Chillesford to whom I seem to be related to quite a number of, names like Chittleborough, Read, Knights,Danfer,Cady and of course Bantoft, the latter I have 5 connections too but not direct line. I have done a separate study on the Bantoft and have a separate tree for this family alone. I was interested in your posting earlier this year about the distributing of James's children after the death of his wife Caroline Plant and I had to conclude that you must have got some of that data either from the relevant certs. or the parish records as I think it is impossible to come to those conclusions from BMD's & census returns alone, unless I have missed something? I have tried to contact you through an email address that was attached to one of your postings but this was returned and now I see the address has disappeared from the posting, I ma! y be able to persuade a friend to to do the look up you are requesting & that I am very curious about also, regards Terry -------------------------------------------------- Re: The Matthews Family Cockfield Suffolk This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: MASONIRENE Surnames: Matthews Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8494.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi,my husband is also a descendant of the Matthews family of Cockfield. Alfred Matthews born c 1827 Cockfield,the son of James Matthews and Maria Frost, I don't know if this is the same family but it would seem quite likely. -------------------------------------------------- Ipswich Newspaper Archives for Obituary This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Chestnutvilla210 Surnames: Crisp Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8632/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hello, I am trying to find more information on my Grandfather, John Cyril Horace Crisp born 1894, who left my Nan and my Dad when Dad was very young. I have found out that he died 13 February 1965 in Ipswich and was hoping now to find an obituary for him for that time. I understand that the Evening Star, Ipswich Journal(?) and East Anglian Daily Times were in production at that time and was hoping that the obituary might be in one of those papers. I'm not sure where these papers would be located and as I live in Canada, I am unable to look the records up personally. If anyone can point me in the right direction, I would be very grateful as I need to find out more about my Grandfather. Thanks. Jill -------------------------------------------------- Re: parish records lookups This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: MarilynEgerton271 Surnames: Emma/Amy Gough Classification: birth Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8609.11/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Regarding your access to Suffolk records pre 1837, is it possible for you to look for Emma (or Amy) Gough born in Bury St. Edmunds between 1809 and 1812. Much appreciated. -------------------------------------------------- Re: ST PETERS CHILLESFORD LOOKUP This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: rmgaris Surnames: Bantoft, Banthorpe, Bantrick, Knights Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8521.3.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Terry It's been a while since we researched the Bantofts, our particular line descending from George Bantoft, b.14 Apr 1840 Chillesford, his BC listing him as the son of Benjamin Bantoft & Mary Fisk. George joined the British Army in 1858 & following his discharge in 1880 he & his family migrated to Tasmania. Our dilemma is that while his BC lists parents as Benjamin & Mary, his Tasmanian descendants assert that his parents were James Bantoft & Charlotte Plant. This led us to theorize as to what happened to the children of James & Charlotte after Charlotte's death and one thought is that the children were shared out between James' parents & brothers, who lived nearby. With limited funds we could only speculate using some BDMs, also IGI & censuses but I'm happy to send you pdf.s of the family charts if you send me your email address to: rmgaris@bigpond.net.au We'd be grateful for any info you can supply from lookups - to prove or disprove our theory! Regards Robyn -------------------------------------------------- Elmswell, Suffolk Parish Look-ups. This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: clifjade Surnames: Tweed, Berthon, Traveller, Moule, Knight, Slowgrove, Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8633/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I have a family, John Samson Curtis and wife Emma UNKNOW, with 3 children at least, born at Elmswell. The couples Marriage is not on freeBMD neither are the Births of the children. The known children are, Edward Curtis Abt 1868, John Curtis Abt 1871 and Eliza Samson Curtis Abt 1877. The family are not on the 1881 Census for Elmswell but are recorded there on the 1891. I am hoping the Parish Records might reveal more deytails especialy the mothers name which might actualy be EMILY SAMSON. - Clif.jade ( London ) -------------------------------------------------- Re: Elmswell, Suffolk Parish Look-ups. This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Robesure Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8633.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I doubt if the parish records of Elmswell would help you unless the couple married there, which I doubt as James (not John) was born in Colchester Essex and Emma in East Bergholt. It is more likely that the marriage was in East Bergholt. If you purchase a copy of the birth certificate of any of the children, this will give the mother's maiden name. The reason that you cannot find the family prior to 1891 is that they were using the surname SANSOM. There is a marriage of a James Sansom in the Samford district,(which includes East Bergholt), Dec.Quarter 1857, volume 4a, page 1199. A possible partner with that reference is an Emma Pettingale. However these references are not complete because of the poor condition of the copies from which they are taken and I cannot see an Emma Pettingale born in East Bergholt on the 1851 census, although there was a birth registered in Samford in 1840, of an Emma Pettengale, which would make her about the right age, for your Emma Curtis/Sansom. A copy of James Sansom's marriage certificate will give you the answer. In 1861 James Sansom 24 a platelayer and Emma 20 are living at Railway Street, Newmarket, with a son James 2. In 1871 they are now in Elmswell with James 12, William 8, George 5 and Edward 3. In 1881 they are at Elmswell Road, Elmswell with additional children, John 9 Emma 6 and Eliza 5. Come 1891 as you are aware they have for some reason changed there name to Curtis and are still living in Elmswell with the younger children. -------------------------------------------------- Re: Elmswell, Suffolk Parish Look-ups. This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: clifjade Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8633.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Well thankyou..I did say to the contact in this line that 'I might have to wait 5 minutes or 5 years for a reply. I was working bind with just familysearch and free BMD,James or course, John myy error, so the work you have undertaken with regards to this family is much appreciated. Eliza Sansonm Curtis in 1898 Married Herbert George TWEED which is my connection forward, they had 5 children. Thank you Clifjade ( London ) -------------------------------------------------- Re: parish records lookups This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: diamondlifestyle Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8609.11.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: hi, I've not got any records as late as that for BsE, they all end at 1800. I've been through and pulled out the Goughs for you, in case they're useful once you trace back: 23 Nov 1748 - Robert Gough (wid) m Susan Bird (sgl) both OTP 27 Jan 1754 - John Smith (sgl) m Sarah Gough (sgl) both OTP 07 Nov 1776 - Robert Gough (sgl) m Rebecca Edhouse (wid) both OTP 18 Mar 1778 - John Spink (sgl) m Margaret Gough (sgl) both OPT 01 Dec 1780 - SImon Gough (sgl) of St Marys m Sarah Derisley (sgl) OPT (wit Edward Bushell & Ann Complin) 03 Jul 1787 - William Gough (sgl) m Sarah Hall (sgl) both OTP Baptisms - children of Robert and Margaret Gough Sarah 13 Nov 1732 Margaret 12 Mar 1733 Robert 02 Oct 1782 Witnesses to marriages of others: 22 Dec 1754 - Margaret Gough wit John Huggins m Phillipa Allen 14 Jun 1756 - Margaret Gough wit James Newman m Ann Rose 27 Oct 1763 - Margaret Gough wit William Bass m Jane Gordon 10 Jun 1773 - Margaret Gough wit Burtt Wade m Ann Smith All the records are from St James, Bury St Edmunds. --------------------------------------------------