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If you have any questions about the Boards or what the following is, pls contact me off-list at: mailto:SUFFOLK-admin@rootsweb.com . Thanks, Peter SUFFOLK List Admin. -------------------------------------------------- Re: Sinclair This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ValerieWalton54 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8603.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thank-you so much for this information. It is very helpful. I had her husband as William David Jones and could not figure out why he would be listed as Thomas Jones in the 1881 census. Now I know. Now I think I will order Mary's birth and marriage cerificates. Thanks again. -------------------------------------------------- Re: Sinclair This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: glemsue Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8603.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Please let us know what they contain as I am very curious.I looked at my tree and can't tie this Mary in with my Chaplin lot at the moment. Good luck with your future research. -------------------------------------------------- Re: John Baldwin - Chelsea Pensioner - Servered East Indies This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: MelSmith35 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8600.2.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Try this site www.fibis.org -------------------------------------------------- Re: John Baldwin - Chelsea Pensioner - Servered East Indies This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: PatriciaPage25 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8600.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: What you are looking for will be covered pretty well at: fibis.org Lots of databases and transcriptions. There is a rootsweb mailing list INDIA-L -------------------------------------------------- Re: John Baldwin - Chelsea Pensioner - Servered East Indies This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: baker18651 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8600.2.1.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: MelSmith35 Thanks for your reply and link. Have had a look and though a great site, it looks like most of the BDM's are after my time frame. Though of real interest were the passenger lists were on http://search.fibis.org/frontis/bin/index.php. Had look through those and even though there are Baldwin's going in & out, most only show the first intiial of the person. -------------------------------------------------- Re: John Baldwin - Chelsea Pensioner - Serverd East Indies This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: baker18651 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8600.2.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Yes, I obtained the Sarah Reason marriage from the IGI and on the FamilySearch Pilot site. As I live in Australia, I suppose the only way to look at the parish registers to see if there is any other detail would be to obtain film through the local FHC. I am thinking that after looking at a number of records over the last few days, the Sarah Reason marriage is the more likely one, considering the location of the marriage but that does not quite solve where they were in 1841. My guess is they were either in the Indies at that time or in Australia. I did do a search in the census for just Sarah but did not find anything. I have done some pretty extensive searching over the last couple of days on Ancestry, FindMyPast, FamilySearch (IGI and the Beta Site) in searching for connections and information on the Baldwin Family and my initial search to see if there was a marriage for John in the East Indies began when I saw the other day that there were a number of public trees on Ancestry that had my Ancestor Susan Baldwin (bc 1844 Bures Suffolk) attached to them. I just wanted to see if there was a possibility that he married outside of the UK. Most of the trees have her mother to be Sarah Munnings, one has Sarah (no surname) and another Sarah Chambers and most also have the same '6' children attached to them. There is a marriage in Dec 1825 between a John Baldwin & Sarah Munnings and from what I can see on the census records, they had 6 children, one a Susan Baldwin born in 1845 in Suffolk, which is why there is some confusion. I do believe that this marriage and the associated children are not c! onnected to my John & Sarah Baldwin. There appears to be at least 2 other John and Sarah Baldwins living in the Suffolk area in 1841, 1851 & 1861. My Susan Baldwin had a sister Maryann, who was born around 1840, who married James Rice in 1860. Maryann is a witness on the marriage certificate for Susan Baldwin & William George Baker (married in 1863 at Woolwich Kent). Why they married in Kent for is not known, but further research shows that William George Baker was the cousin of James Rice. So two cousins, married two sisters. John Baldwin (1806) is living in 1851 with wife Sarah (age 47) and daugthers Maryann (11) and Susan (8) in registration district Sudbury. He is listed as 'Chelsea Pensioner'. John is living in 1861 with daughter Susan (17) at Bures St Mary. By this time Sarah had died. I do have a death certificate for a Sarah Baldwin in 1856, wife of John, AG Labourer. She was 54. I've always thought that this death was for my Sarah, but now I'm not so sure as yesterday I found another two deaths for Sarah Baldwins both in 1859, one in Sudbury and the other in Bury St Edmonds. John is living in 1871 with daughter Maryann and her husband James Rice at Assington, Suffolk. John died in June 1871. Thankyou all for your replys and suggestions, I will keep searching. Regards Sandra -------------------------------------------------- Re: John Baldwin - Chelsea Pensioner - Serverd East Indies This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: baker18651 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8600.2.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Yes, I obtained the Sarah Reason marriage from the IGI and on the FamilySearch Pilot site. As I live in Australia, I suppose the only way to look at the parish registers to see if there is any other detail would be to obtain film through the local FHC. I am thinking that after looking at a number of records over the last few days, the Sarah Reason marriage is the more likely one, considering the location of the marriage but that does not quite solve where they were in 1841. My guess is they were either in the Indies at that time or in Australia. I did do a search in the census for just Sarah but did not find anything. I have done some pretty extensive searching over the last couple of days on Ancestry, FindMyPast, FamilySearch (IGI and the Beta Site) in searching for connections and information on the Baldwin Family and my initial search to see if there was a marriage for John in the East Indies began when I saw the other day that there were a number of public trees on Ancestry that had my Ancestor Susan Baldwin (bc 1844 Bures Suffolk) attached to them. I just wanted to see if there was a possibility that he married outside of the UK. Most of the trees have her mother to be Sarah Munnings, one has Sarah (no surname) and another Sarah Chambers and most also have the same '6' children attached to them. There is a marriage in Dec 1825 between a John Baldwin & Sarah Munnings and from what I can see on the census records, they had 6 children, one a Susan Baldwin born in 1845 in Suffolk, which is why there is some confusion. I do believe that this marriage and the associated children are not c! onnected to my John & Sarah Baldwin. There appears to be at least 2 other John and Sarah Baldwins living in the Suffolk area in 1841, 1851 & 1861. My Susan Baldwin had a sister Maryann, who was born around 1840, who married James Rice in 1860. Maryann is a witness on the marriage certificate for Susan Baldwin & William George Baker (married in 1863 at Woolwich Kent). Why they married in Kent for is not known, but further research shows that William George Baker was the cousin of James Rice. So two cousins, married two sisters. John Baldwin (1806) is living in 1851 with wife Sarah (age 47) and daugthers Maryann (11) and Susan (8) in registration district Sudbury. He is listed as 'Chelsea Pensioner'. John is living in 1861 with daughter Susan (17) at Bures St Mary. By this time Sarah had died. I do have a death certificate for a Sarah Baldwin in 1856, wife of John, AG Labourer. She was 54. I've always thought that this death was for my Sarah, but now I'm not so sure as yesterday I found another two deaths for Sarah Baldwins both in 1859, one in Sudbury and the other in Bury St Edmonds. John is living in 1871 with daughter Maryann and her husband James Rice at Assington, Suffolk. John died in June 1871. Thankyou all for your replys and suggestions, I will keep searching. Regards -------------------------------------------------- Re: John Baldwin - Chelsea Pensioner - Serverd East Indies This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: glemsue Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8600.2.1.1.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: The Suffolk Marriage Index 1813-1837 states that John Baldwin who married Sarah Reason came from Bures St. Mary. -------------------------------------------------- Re: CARMAN / KEABLE/Keeble This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Gobbitt Surnames: CARMAN, KEEBLE, NUNN Classification: marriage Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8596.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Sorry Viv - Sarah KEEBLE married Peter NUNN (not Abraham CARMAN) at Martlesham on 18 June (not January) 1764, according to Phillimore's transcript, which was printed in 1910. David -------------------------------------------------- Re: CARMAN / KEABLE/Keeble This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: vivian669 Surnames: Carman /Keeble Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8596.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Many thanks David, Saved me trying to get to Martlsham to check . Cheers Viv -------------------------------------------------- Re: Arthur Ward/Harriett Gates This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jonwarrn Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8598.2.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Hope you don't mind me making a suggestion about Arthur Ward and why he can't be found before 1891. It is a bit speculative, but on the subject of uncommon names one of Arthur and Harriet's sons was called Rufus (which is pretty uncommon) And Glemsue pointed out that Arthur's birthplace in 1911 was Coddenham, Suffolk, and he was 63 then, so birthdate moved back into the 1840s. There is this likely death for Arthur? June qtr 1926 Croydon 2a 375 Ward Arthur (age 81) which might lead back to a birth reg Mar qtr 1845 Bosmere Vol 12 Page 343 Ward Arthur -Bosmere was the district that covered Coddenham IGI has a christening of an Arthur Ward 28 February 1845, taken from Suffolk BT's, but it doesn't say where and no parents given, not even the mother! Doesn't appear to be an Arthur Ward born Coddenham in the census, but there is a Rufus Ward baptised there, 19 February 1837, to Robert and Susanna. So there might be a connection. Rufus didn't have a brother Arthur, and his parents would be too old by then anyway. Rufus might have had a sister Harriet, someone has submitted a baptism to the IGI, hopefully its accurate. Harriet Ward bapt. 18 April 1824 to Robert and Susanna, and an Elizabeth Ward on the same day, same parents. They may be the only Ward family in Coddenham. There is a possible marriage Dec 1846 Bosmere 12/609 Farthing Robert Ward Harriett In 1851 in Coddenham Piece 1797 Folio 202 Page 24 Robert Farthing Head 29 born Barham Harriett Farthing Wife 28 Coddenham Arthur Farthing Son 6 Coddenham Jane Ann Farthing Daughter 3 Coddenham Robert Farthing 1 Coddenham Unlike the two younger children, doesn't seem to be a birth reg/bap for Arthur Farthing, so it seems he could be the Arthur Ward from 1845 The family seem to be missing in 1861, they are in Ipswich later (minus Arthur, no sign of him in census) But there is a Royal Navy record on documentsonline that looks like him Name Farthing, Arthur Place of Birth: Barham near Ipswich 17 February 1846 Continuous Service Number: 14751A Date of Volunteering: 17 February 1864 ADM 139/548 (and given that they were often a year or so wrong on their ages for various reasons). So maybe Arthur was illegitimate and hidden under the Farthing name. If he didn't die at sea or anything, he might turn up again later as Arthur Ward perhaps? John -------------------------------------------------- Re: Wierd name in Sparrow family - Suffolk, England This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: suffolkmawther Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8591.2.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I wonder if those with 'Newton' before their names were baptised at Newton? White's - Newton-by-Sudbury 3miles east of Sudbury. There are also Sparrow's living there in 1844 William Sparrow, farmer. Pat ... -------------------------------------------------- Re: Church family in Kenton Suffolk This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: AndyKerridge Surnames: CHURCH Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8582.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: In 1851 census index have the following - PLOMESGATE HO 107/1802 Folio 65 - most likely two families on this folio Name Age Birth place John 70 Kenton Mary 66 Monk Soham David 54 Kenton Elizabeth 53 Diss, Nfk Eliza 20 Kenton Charles 14 Kenton Samuel 13 Kenton Victoria 9 Kenton Emma 7 Kenton Folio 67 James 31 Kenton Maria 28 Debenham Fanny 6 Kenton Samuel 4 Kenton Hannah 2 Kenton Harriet 6m Kenton I can access the 1851 and get more info if you wish Andy Kerridge -------------------------------------------------- Pain Family of England This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: tkpain Surnames: Pain Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8605/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I need some help. Seem to have hit a wall. John Pain b1822 Willingham Suffolk, married a Rebecca T Ducker b 1823 Yarmouth Norfolk. Had 2 sons William Thomas and John Harold. according to family, John Pain supposedly remarried, Effie Pain is listed as present at the death of John Harold in 1892 he was 39. Rebbecca d Jan 20 1884 John Pain d July 22 1888, but yet in the 1881 Census he is listed as widower. Can't find Effie Pain, maiden name unknown. Can anyone help Tracy -------------------------------------------------- Re: Cooke family of Lowestoft, Suffolk around1900 / Norfolk/ London This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: kellysimp Surnames: cook Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/2700.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: hi, i am trying to find elizabeth kate cook, she was a domestic servant in wattlefield, wymondham, norfolk in 1926 when she had a baby girl, father unknown. I believe she had two sisters emma and annie, would you have any info on them? -------------------------------------------------- Re: Pain Family of England This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: crusoe123 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8605.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: What address is shown on the death certificate of John Harold, Effie, could be a 'nickname' and she may have just given this. There is no Effie Pain listed on census returns. -------------------------------------------------- Re: Pain Family of England This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: crusoe123 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8605.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: What address is shown on the death certificate of John Harold, Effie, could be a 'nickname' and she may have just given this. There is no Effie Pain listed on census returns. -------------------------------------------------- Folks, sorry but at this point, you'll have to go to: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/mb.ashx if you're interested in any of the following Subjects: 1. Pain Family of England (2) 2. Cooke family of Lowestoft, Suffolk around1900 / Norfolk/ London (3) 3. help needed (3) 4. Church family in Kenton Suffolk (1) 5. Buckman (1) 6. Cuthberts in Ipswich, Suffolk, 1800's (8) --------------------------------------------------