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Author: Gobbitt Surnames: MILLS Classification: cemetery Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8574.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hello Jennifer Maryanne's disappearance may indicate that she and her mother ended up in the Bulcamp House of Industry (http://www.workhouses.org.uk/index.html?Blything/Blything.shtml) after Nathaniel died in 1821. I hope I'm wrong, but it seems that burial records have not survived, although the workhouse graveyard was said to contain the bodies of more than 2,000 inmates in 2004 (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/suffolk/3872539.stm). David -------------------------------------------------- Re: Maryanne MILLS b. 1814 Halesworth, Suffolk This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: JenniferDancy Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8574.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thank you for your observations which are very welcome. I found Nathnaiel's wife Elizabeth and her 20 year old son Thomas, who was my 2 x g/grandfather, on the 1841 census but no mention of Maryanne. I think the most likely cause of her disappearance from the records is that she died young but whether that was in the Workhouse or not definitely needs further work. I will continue looking..............J -------------------------------------------------- Fred Hamilton Brook This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: dlbaker155 Surnames: Brook, Stimpson Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8577/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Looking for family connections related to Fred Hamilton Brook in England (New Market, Suffolk). Was married to either Barbara Stimpson or Peggy Stimpson, or both at some time. Father of Geraldine Stimpson Brook and Jacqueline Ann Stimpson Brook. Lived around 1920's. We know nothing more. -------------------------------------------------- Re: Rhoda Lock This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: chrisfordwich Surnames: Lock/French Classification: marriage Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8533.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: from London marriages on Ancestry: Samuel French (bachelor) married Rhoda Lock (spinster) at St Mary, Haggerston on 2 November 1835 by Robert Crosby. Witnesses: John Johnson and F (I think it's F) Harris Hope this helps Christine -------------------------------------------------- oslers This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: bmccartie Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8578/mb.ashx Message Board Post: hannah elizabeth dunnett...father was john thomas dunnett born 1838.in hackford norfolk,southery. i think her maiden name was osler parents martha maiden name brown,father george osler.,please email me at brendamccartie@btinternet.com regards brenda x -------------------------------------------------- Re: Fred Hamilton Brook This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Merice46 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8577.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi, Marriage reg. Peggie Stimpson - Fred Brook Bury St Edmunds 4a 1477 Mar.Qtr 1939 Barbara L Stimpson - Kenneth W Doble Huntingdonshire North 3b 943 Sep.Qtr 1941 Regards Sandra -------------------------------------------------- Re: Murkin / FITCH This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jarrodcorliabell Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/1039.1198.1222.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: We also have FITCH from Hundon, Suffolf, recently discovered. We have a number of censuses, the main line if Joseph FITCH (b. ca 1812) who married Philadelphia ?? (b ca 1812 Suffolk) Any information gladly shared and received please? Regards, The Bells. -------------------------------------------------- Re: ROW: Suffolk Wills - 1700 to 1900 This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: smyttie66 Surnames: SMYTH, SPENCER Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/2832.11/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi, Could you please tell me the names on the SMYTH will? I am looking for Thomas and children Ann, James, John. The wife to Thomas was Elizabeth SPENCER who died in 1807. They lived in Wangford cum Southwold. Thank you. -------------------------------------------------- Re: ROW: Suffolk Wills - 1700 to 1900 This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: smyttie66 Surnames: SMYTH, SPENCER Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/2832.11.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Sorry! I see now that we were in touch before and you very kindly sent me some info on the SMYTHs of Peasenhall, but I have not found a connection with them either. I have made a little headway on the SPENCER side of that family, thanks to the help of a fellow researcher, but the SMYTHs are my brick wall at the moment. Dawn -------------------------------------------------- Re: Murkin / FITCH This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: glemsue Surnames: Fitch,Osborn Classification: marriage Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/1039.1198.1222.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: >From the Suffolk Marriage Index. Joseph Fitch Philadelphia Osborn 6th June, 1834 Hundon -------------------------------------------------- Lookup Lowestoft Sfk Eng Pls This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: olleycdn Surnames: Olley and marriages Classification: lookup Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8579/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Transcribe tombstone info St. Margaret's Par. Church; OLLEY surname; 11 buried btwn 1745-1812. These might be grave numbers: 7, 36, 39, 46, 57, 58, 64, 91, 96, 121, 137. Seeking parents/ances of Geo.Olley b. btwn 1797-1804 Sfk; orphan. M.1828 S.Lopham Nfk Barbara Ann Carman d. 1831. Will trade for similar help in my locale Alberta Canada. Thank you. -------------------------------------------------- Re: Lookup Lowestoft Sfk Eng Pls This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: crusoe123 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8579.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: You will be very lucky to find gravestones for the years indicated. A lot of them would be now unreadable, and often they are removed. There is a site with gravestone information for St. Margarets. http://www.gravestonephotos.com/public/az.php?letter=O The stones listed for Olley are:- full name birth year burial year age relationship cemetery parish town county country GPR reference number image availablity This page contains a list of all the entries for the name OLLEY that are held within the Gravestone Photographic Resource online database. It is quite likely that there are also entries available for alternative spellings of this name. It is very easy for you to check to see if there are any alternative spellings: you just need to look at the page that shows all the names listed under the starting letter (O in this case) of the surname you are interested in. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Alice Olley wife of George Edward Olley All Saints Upper Sheringham Norfolk England 21255 available Daniel Olley St Gregory Barnham Norfolk England 18686 available Elizabeth Olley 1839 1925 86 mother of Ethel Olley All Saints Upper Sheringham Norfolk England 21157 available Elizabeth Ann Olley 1866 1920 54 unknown of Joseph John Nightingale All Saints Upper Sheringham Norfolk England 21334 available Ethel Olley 1880 1899 19 All Saints Upper Sheringham Norfolk England 21157 available George Edward Olley 1882 1911 29 All Saints Upper Sheringham Norfolk England 21255 available Jacob Olley 1777 1846 69 St Gregory Barnham Norfolk England 18687 available John Wilson Olley 1867 1867 0 son of Robert Pigott Olley All Saints Upper Sheringham Norfolk England 21154 available Maria Olley 1827 1880 53 St Peter Bramerton Norfolk England 18901 available Martha Olley 1866 1946 80 Municipal Kirkley Suffolk England 8266 Mary Olley wife of Jacob Olley St Gregory Barnham Norfolk England 18687 available Robert Pigott Olley 1834 1881 47 All Saints Upper Sheringham Norfolk England 21154 available Robert Pigott Olley father of Ethel Olley All Saints Upper Sheringham Norfolk England 21157 available Samuel Olley 1821 1894 73 husband of Maria Olley St Peter Bramerton Norfolk England 18901 available William Wilson Olley 1871 1901 30 brother of Ethel Olley All Saints Upper Sheringham Norfolk England 21157 available William Wilson Olley (Private) 1871 1901 30 All Saints Upper Sheringham Norfolk England 21388 available -------------------------------------------------- Samuel Catchpole This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: maetwaroo Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8580/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi, Can anyone help me please, I cannot find a birth certificate of Samuel Catchpole born in Framlingham. He married Ann Smith 1790. He died age 90 in 1854, and she died age 94, He must have been born in 1764, I do not know either of his parent, or any of his siblings I have 7 of his children. I would appreciate any help or suggestions of where to go next, Thank you, Margaret -------------------------------------------------- Re: George Olley brn:1797 This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: theolleys Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8531.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Bruce Just seen your post. Do you know Lois Olley in Canada? She contacte me today about George. This is the reply I sent her though I guess you know it all anyway. Doing some research for Lois I found a George Olley in Bury St Edmunds Prison (Suffolk) on 8 November 1831 serving 4 weeks for poaching with hingles (no idea what they are) don't have George in my tree; my Olleys go back to 1610 in Finchingfield in the north of Essex; it's highly likely that George is a relative but I've no idea what the connection is. However being a nosey bugger on a Sunday morning with very little to do I have done some research (you may already know this): Name: George OLLEY Sex: M Birth: 25 DEC 1797 in Stanton, Suffolkshire, England Death: 5 DEC 1906 in Great Bend, Wilna, Jefferson, NY Burial: West Carthage, Champion, Jefferson, NY Note: >From Child's Gazetteer of Jefferson County--Town of Wilna. "George Olley was born in England, in 1802, and in 1832 immigrated to this country. In 1834, he married Ann Hunter, who was born in Ireland in 1801. About 1838 he removed to the town of Champion, and there remained until 1865, when he located in Wilna, on road 70, where he now resides with his son James. He had born to him eight children, of whom William served in Co. C, 94th N.Y Vols., came home on furlough, and died November 25, 1864. Robert enlisted in Co. H, 186th N.Y. Vols., was in the battle of Cedar Mountain, August 9, 1862, in the battles of Rappahannock, Thoroughfare Gap, and second Bull Run, Chancellorsville, and Gettysburg; was taken prisoner and paroled; was discharged February, 28, 1864, at Camp Parole, by reason reenlistment as a veteran volunteer; was in the battle of Weldon Railraod, and was again taken prisoner, August 19, 1864, and was confined in Libby Prison, and subsequently tranferred to Buell Island and Salisbury, N.C. He was paroled February 28, 1865,! and mustered out June 11, 1865. He married Sarah Ann, daughter of Benona Goldthrite, by whom he has had six children, viz: Minnie B., Cora T., who died April 29, 1870, Adah E., J. Herbert, Cora E., who died Mar 22, 1886, and George B.. George Olley Jr. enlisted in Co. I, 94th N.Y. Vols., and was drum-major of the regiment. He died in 1870. Samuel D., another son of George Sr., died young. Mary Ann died at the age of 19 years. Margaret J. married Chester Goldthrite, and resides at Felt's Mills." Note: 15 Oct 1905 in the Carthage Republican "George Olley, 107 years old, cast his 86th ballot last week at Deferiet, voting the straight Republican ticket as he has every time election day has come around. Mr. Olley claims that since he came to this state from England and became a citizen he has never missed an election day." Note: 16 Aug 1905 in the Carthage Republican Death of Joseph Labonte "Joseph Labonte, aged 107 years, probaly the oldest resident of this state, died yesterday at 11:40 o'clock at the Old Peoples Home in Ogdensburg. ..... The death of this centenarian leaves the honor of "oldest resident" to George Olley, of this town, who is 106 years old." Note: AT THE AGE OF 106 George Olley as Active as a Kitten, and Visiting Friends in the West "George Olley, of Carthage, who is 106 years of age, and as active as a kitten, is at present enjoying a visit wih his granddaughter, Mrs. John Wright, at Nilses, Mich. He left Carthage on the 106th anniversary of his birth and made the trip without taking advantage of a sleeper. In all his travels, and he is continually visiting relatives in far-away places, he has never indulged in the Pullman sleeper. Mr. Olley never wore glasses. His eyesight is yet unimpaired, and he is a omniverous reader, keeping fully abreast of the times, not only on matters of current news, but in History topics as well. His memory is wonderful, and he can discuss anything from Shak [ends] -------------------------------------------------- Re: Samuel Catchpole This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: crusoe123 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8580.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: You will not find a birth certificate for the date you mention. Civil Registration only came into being in 1837. Before that date you have to rely on baptismal records, which means you may have to search Parish by Parish, and then, you may only get the name of the child, and possibly only one parent. Not many are online, and I cannot find your Samuel. -------------------------------------------------- Re: George Olley brn:1797 This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: glemsue Surnames: Olley,Carman Classification: marriage Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8531.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Marriage George Olley of Stanton Suffolk Ann Barbara Carman by banns 26th December, 1829 SOUTH LOPHAM, NORFOLK witnesses John Carman Jane Newman -------------------------------------------------- Re: Lookup Lowestoft Sfk Eng Rqd This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: olleycdn Surnames: Olley and marriages Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8579.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I know of the link you offered me and thank you for taking the time to reply. Both parents of my ancestor George (b 1797) died somewhere between 1797 and 1810 (best guess). He was orphaned as a young boy. I found an internet site recently that claims they sell CD's with this period info. But as Ancestry has people who register to help with this type of lookup I am asking. Thanks again. -------------------------------------------------- Re: George Olley brn:1797 This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: olleycdn Surnames: Olley, Carman, Hunter Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8531.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thanks glemsue; Canadian Olley here. I found out that Bruce Olley and I are related through the sons of "Uncle" George. My father emigrated to Canada in 1951. There were mistakes in newspaper articles about "Uncle George". Some had him born 1802, 1804. Our family has always known it was Dec 25, 1797. Census birth years were worked out from the persons age at the time of the census and that left a one year margin for error. I have a document declaring George's son, John, was christened in 1831 S. Lopham NFK so he could not have been born in 1833. Our family has info Geo emigrated from UK yr 1832 with infant son (no mention of 1 st wife with). There was a cholera pandemic spreading throughout Europe 1832 and brought to the New World on board ship. I paid a look-up in Suffolk to check birth and death records in Suffolk parishes for George and his parents and families in the era around his birth until he emigrated to N. America 1832. The report back showed nothing on record. In the past few days I found a William Olley and Martha Child of Lowestoft, Suffolk married at St. Botolph, Aldgate, London, in 1772. They were about the right age and about 40 miles East of Stanton Suffolk but the trail stopped dead again. The Child's gazetteer (and PIONEER Families of ....)is an invaluable tool for those starting their NY searches. At this stage we are going to England for ancestors and it is a brick wall situation that will require either much money or ancestry.com folk to help with lookups. Anyone out there needing basic info help here are some sites: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nylewis/oldlow.htm Haddock Genea Sketches http://jefferson.nygenweb.net/hadind.htm http://wellswooster.com/tree/showsource.php?sourceID=S274&tree=bryant http://www.thedorsetpage.com/genealogy/index.htm http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hubbard/NNY_index/surnames.html http://www.opcdorset.org/FordingtonFiles/FordingtonMarriages1.htm http://jefferson.nygenweb.net/pions.htm -------------------------------------------------- Re: George Olley brn:1797 This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: BruceOlley Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8531.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thanks to everyone for replying. Interpreting what is in the news articles. I am to believe that George left England with Barbara Carmen and son John. It seams to me that they had landed in New Brunswick, which is about where I assume Barbara had past away. He then Married Ann Hunter in Watertown, New York. One thing I keep seeing on this web site is the mention of Mary Ann Hunter. Most of the news articles and her head stone state Ann Hunter. However her parentage is missing as well. ------------------------------------------------- Re: George Olley brn:1797 This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: glemsue Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8531.3.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: >From http://search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#start it says John son of George and Barbara was baptised in Stanton in 1831. There is also a bap. for a George 26/12/1805 for a George, with just mother Mary listed. This could be your George and he may have been illegitemate.He could have been bap. as a young child and not as a baby. ------------------------------------------------- Re: George Olley brn:1797 This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: BruceOlley Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8531.3.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: If it helps the time line any for finding further information. From the Paper, The Standard... "He was born in England on Christmas Day, 1797. He enlisted in the British Army when a boy, but his grandfather bought him out before the battle of Waterloo. He saw Queen Victoria when she was a girl, before she was crowned. When about 40 years of age, he came to America. He resided at St. Johns, New Brunswick." ------------------------------------------------- Re: George Olley brn:1797 This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: BruceOlley Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8531.3.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Here is another passage from a different paper, name of paper unknown... "He told how the grandsire, a rugged old Suffolkshire sheperd, who brought him up after the death of his parents in his infancy. Took him in a cart, as a boy of 5 years, to a neighboring city that they might see his Majesty George III ride through the streets while making a journey to the castle of one of his barons. The old Brunswicker, as George remembered him, was an imposing looking man with a big red face and a white plumed chappeau. He was preceded by a squad of buglers and a detachment of mounted guards armed with long pole axes, while more halberdiers, rode behind the royal coach. He told too, as he had on many Christmas night before, of the great celebration in England when the mewscame of the defeat of Napoleon at Waterloo by Wellington, when from Snowden to Ben Nevisevery mountain top in the United Kingdom blazed with the great bale fires prepared for calling out the yeomanry to repel the dreaded French invasion, but which were kindled when such need of them no longer existed to glorify the return of piece." "George was born and raised near the village of Stanton, England, and work on his Grandshires farm as a ploughman and sheppard. When 26years old, he was married in the Parrish church, to Barbara Ann Carman, a peasent girl, and four years later sailed with his young wife and infant son for Amarica. The passage by the old brig Nell Gwyane taking eight weeks. Soon after arriving here his wife died. He took up a farm in the then wild region of the Black River Valley at Great Bend, and soon after married Miss Ann Hunter of this City, who was born in Ireland in 1801, of English parentage." ------------------------------------------------- Re: George Olley brn:1797 This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: theolleys Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8531.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: There are actually 3 Stantons in Suffolk; Stanton proper and nearby Stanton Chare. About 10 miles to the south is Stanton Street a small hamelt close to the village of Norton whose parish church is St Andrews; it may be worth searching for George there. A second point is that George appeared to be a Methodist; most searches pre 1831 are carried out through parish records; if George were baptised a Methodist he would not be in the parish records which may explain why your researcher was not able to locate him Mark -------------------------------------------------