Hello Listers, First regarding my request for help reading the First name in the 1841 Census, I have come to the conclusion that the name is Arthur or Aurthur. On reading the various replies it helped in a basic way, I had the engine running but had not put my head in gear!! First I realized that the 1841 Census was taken on Jun 7 so a birth one month earlier was late April or early May. Then I looked for a birth record in the correct period and District and found one for Arthur. Then I looked at the1851 Census for that same family and there was Arthur. Several people's comments helped me and that is the one thing you dont get with just using on line data, so I agree we need to pronmote what Nivard was saying in regard to the Lists Use 'em or lose 'em Phil White