How interesting. The 1851 cencus shows two wealthy elderly sisters (land & fund owners) living with their servant, possibly in a separate villa in the grounds of Higham Lodge - Google aerial map shows one such building north of the main house, built about 1830. The two women were born at Stoke by Nayland and thus kinswomen of William Hoy, lord of Bocking manor. The unmarried woman, Jane Anastasia, is a Hoy, thus both are Hoys. The widow, Mary, is Mrs Theen, so we can reasonably expect she had been married to a Mr Theen, deceased. Was there a young Theen esq., living at the main house in 1851? Why are they living at the home of Higham of Higham? [Presumably the male Higham line had earlier ended and a female heir had married a Theen and they produced Mary's husband, -  that works.] None of this explains the arms (crest) of Hoy of Higham. When did he live?   Can anyone cast light? Interestingly, part of the  old tudor Higham manor house was re erected in the USA and may be viewed on-line. Thanks again, Anne.   --- On Mon, 31/1/11, Anne Chambers <anne.chambers@bigpond.com> wrote: From: Anne Chambers <anne.chambers@bigpond.com> Subject: Re: [SFK-UK] Hoy To: suffolk@rootsweb.com Date: Monday, 31, January, 2011, 4:58 PM This is the only one: 1851 Higham Villa, Higham Mary Theen      74 W Head Land proprietor & fundholder b Stoke by Nayland Jane Anastosea Hoy U sister    69  do do Sarah Dyer     21  Servant The term I hadn't come across before was 'son BY law' - 'son in law' is common and could mean one's daughter's husband or one's stepson.  In this case, he was a teenager, so presumably a stepson. Anne South australia David Hoye wrote: > Many thanks, Anne. > If it isn't too much trouble, was there a Hoy at Higham on any cencus in the 19th C? > > Fairbairns Family Crests, 1905, lists a crest for Hoy of Higham Lodge, Suffolk. There is no explanation as to who he was or when he lived there. > In the 16th C there was an association between Sir Clement Higham of Barrow ( near Higham) and George Hoy, yeoman of Acton, Suffolk, (they traded land) and it's possible that the two families forged a close alliance at some time before say 1841. > > The term son in law is a legal one (obviously) used from at least the Middle Ages. > Under english law, no man may disadvantage his family by giving Real or Personal estate to a stranger (non family), so the only way that a Testator may reward say a business partner is to designate him as a 'son in law' > That 'son' might be older than himself! > Lawful issue had to be provided for, of course. > > Best wishes, David. > New Zealand. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SUFFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I don't know if it helps or hinders but from the Probate Calendars 1871 HOY Martha 9 December The Will of Martha HOY late of Stoke by Nayland in the County if Suffolk Widow who died 30 Oct 1871 at Stoke by Nayland was proved at the Principal Registry by the Reverend Mathias Lane of Stoke by Nayland Clerk the sole executor Effects under £450 1888 HOY William Esq 11 August The Will of William HOY late of Stoke Priory (near Colchester) in the County of Suffolk Esquire who died 28 July 1888 at 12 Montpellier terrace Brighton in the County of Sussex was proved at the Principal Registry by Helen Teresa Hoy of Stoke Priory Widow the Relict the sole Executrix Personal Estate £616 8s 4d Martha appears to be the widow of Isaac >From the 1841 Address = Priory Farmhous Stoke by Nayland Transcribed as BAKER but are HOY Name: Martha Baker [Martha Hoy] Age: 65 Estimated birth year: abt 1776 Gender: Female Civil Parish: Stoke By Nayland Hundred: Babergh County/Island: Suffolk Country: England Registration district: Sudbury Sub-registration district: Bures Neighbors: Household Members: Name Age Isane Baker 65 (Isaac HOY) occupation = Ind (Independent means) Martha Baker 65 (Martha HOY) HO107; Piece 1012; Book: 12; Civil Parish: Stoke By Nayland; County: Suffolk; Enumeration District: 14; Folio: 43; Page: 16; Line: 18; GSU roll: 474634. Isaacs will may again reveal more Description Will of Isaac Hoy of Stoke next Nayland , Suffolk Date 25 October 1851 Catalogue reference PROB 11/2140links to the Catalogue Image contains 1 will of many for the catalogue reference Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) How interesting. The 1851 cencus shows two wealthy elderly sisters (land & fund owners) living with their servant, possibly in a separate villa in the grounds of Higham Lodge - Google aerial map shows one such building north of the main house, built about 1830. The two women were born at Stoke by Nayland and thus kinswomen of William Hoy, lord of Bocking manor. The unmarried woman, Jane Anastasia, is a Hoy, thus both are Hoys. The widow, Mary, is Mrs Theen, so we can reasonably expect she had been married to a Mr Theen, deceased. Was there a young Theen esq., living at the main house in 1851? Why are they living at the home of Higham of Higham? [Presumably the male Higham line had earlier ended and a female heir had married a Theen and they produced Mary's husband, - that works.] None of this explains the arms (crest) of Hoy of Higham. When did he live? Can anyone cast light? Interestingly, part of the old tudor Higham manor house was re erected in the USA and may be viewed on-line. Thanks again, Anne.