Hi I am writing to provide an update on the 1891 Suffolk FreeCen project. Another piece has been uploaded to the on line database and is now searchable for free on the main freecen site at http://www.freecen.org.uk This is piece RG121497 Mutford which covers the parishes of Belton, Bradwell, Burgh Castle, Fritton, Gorleston, Hopton. This means that there are now 343,352 (95.2%) 1891 Suffolk census records available to search free on line. Many thanks to all the volunteers who have given their time freely to help the project without their help this information would not be available. Best wishes Bev -- Bev Howlett FreeCen Co-Ordinator Norfolk 1861,1871,1891 Suffolk 1841, 1871, 1891 Cambridge 1861, 1891 Surrey 1871,1891 Find Out How To Help http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/bevsnorfolkinfo/ http://www.freecen.org.uk

Thank you very much Adrian,I appreciate this information and would certain like to see the Raven-Hart's treatise.Thanks again for taking the time to help me.Donna He that is conscious of guilt cannot bear the innocence of others: So they will try to reduce all or bully others to their own level. Charles James Fox (1749-1846)Leader, House of Commons, UK On Wednesday, October 16, 2019, 10:20:19 AM EDT, Adrian Pitts <adrian@thepittsfamily.co.uk> wrote: I contacted a good friend of mine who has researched the history of and written a number of books and many guides to churches particularly in the eastern counties of England. The below is the basis of his reply. He also sent me a scan of his list and the one from Raven-Hart's treatise which I can forward to you if interested. The list show James Fale there from 1629 (he was ejected, imprisoned at Ipswich and returned. But no dates for these happenings!) then John Shepheard from Sept 1678. This maybe of use as I researched and wrote a Guide for Fressingfield in 1980 (which they have carefully kept updated), where I was asked to list the clergy. This I did using Raven-Hart's treatise on the church of 1912. Sadly the period that you mentioned is the time (1649-1660) when the C of E became Presbyterian under Cromwell, and many clergy were ejected (as Fale was at Fressingfield) and replaced by Puritan 'Ministers'. Although Fale came back to his living at the Restoration of the Monarchy in 1660, I can find no references as to the 'Ministers' who served the parish during the Puritan period. Cheers Adrian

I contacted a good friend of mine who has researched the history of and written a number of books and many guides to churches particularly in the eastern counties of England. The below is the basis of his reply. He also sent me a scan of his list and the one from Raven-Hart's treatise which I can forward to you if interested. The list show James Fale there from 1629 (he was ejected, imprisoned at Ipswich and returned. But no dates for these happenings!) then John Shepheard from Sept 1678. This maybe of use as I researched and wrote a Guide for Fressingfield in 1980 (which they have carefully kept updated), where I was asked to list the clergy. This I did using Raven-Hart's treatise on the church of 1912. Sadly the period that you mentioned is the time (1649-1660) when the C of E became Presbyterian under Cromwell, and many clergy were ejected (as Fale was at Fressingfield) and replaced by Puritan 'Ministers'. Although Fale came back to his living at the Restoration of the Monarchy in 1660, I can find no references as to the 'Ministers' who served the parish during the Puritan period. Cheers Adrian

Anitra,Many tidbits I have seen before about my John Tillinghast, but a few others that will help me a great deal.Sometimes the smallest of statements can help you to another avenue of information.Thanks again,Donna He that is conscious of guilt cannot bear the innocence of others: So they will try to reduce all or bully others to their own level. Charles James Fox (1749-1846)Leader, House of Commons, UK On Wednesday, October 16, 2019, 7:39:31 AM EDT, Donna Casey via SUFFOLK <suffolk@rootsweb.com> wrote: Thank you so much. I am familiar with archive.com and I will go there and take a look at those two options. Very kind of you to take the time to help Donna Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 15, 2019, at 10:38 PM, Anitra Baxter via SUFFOLK <suffolk@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Hi > > Try searching books on Congregationalism on archive.org, its free to view the contents of the books and the books are searchable.You may find the History of Congregationalism and memorials of the churches in Norfolk and Suffolk by John Browne helpful. Browne provides short biographies and mentions a Samuel Habergham as pastor for Syleham, Wingfield and Fressingfield in around 1651. > > Anitra > >> On 15/10/2019 11:43, Pauline & Arthur Kennedy wrote: >> Although the original poster has not replied to my request for clarification as to what they are looking for, the following may be of use. >> >> The CCEd database indicates that James Fale was vicar of Fressingfield in the relevant period 1640 to 1662, which could no doubt be confirmed by examining the parish registers and BTs - assuming these survive. There is also a mention of a John Patten who was schoolmaster of Fressingfield School in 1662. >> >> As I said in my earlier post, the CCEd database is a record of Church of England clergy only, and there is nothing suspicious about the absence of non-conformist ministers in this database, nor in clergy lists displayed in C of E churches. >> >> Non-conformist ministers from the mid 17th century are often much harder to track down as there may be few, if any, surviving records to consult. It may be possible to track down Meeting House certificates in the county archives, but these will not necessarily name the minister. Possibly the best source of information will be town / village histories which may mention early non-conformist places of worship, but again there may be no mention of early ministers there. >> >> Non-conformist places of worship may be 'outposts' from nearby larger towns, and if records survive from these, then there may be names of more local ministers. Also, some parish registers include the births and deaths of non-conformists in the parish, and if so, this may offer further clues. But all too often there is no surviving record of these early non-conformists. >> >> Pauline >> >> ______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/suffolk@rootsweb.com >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/suffolk@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/suffolk@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Thank you so much. I am familiar with archive.com and I will go there and take a look at those two options. Very kind of you to take the time to help Donna Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 15, 2019, at 10:38 PM, Anitra Baxter via SUFFOLK <suffolk@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Hi > > Try searching books on Congregationalism on archive.org, its free to view the contents of the books and the books are searchable.You may find the History of Congregationalism and memorials of the churches in Norfolk and Suffolk by John Browne helpful. Browne provides short biographies and mentions a Samuel Habergham as pastor for Syleham, Wingfield and Fressingfield in around 1651. > > Anitra > >> On 15/10/2019 11:43, Pauline & Arthur Kennedy wrote: >> Although the original poster has not replied to my request for clarification as to what they are looking for, the following may be of use. >> >> The CCEd database indicates that James Fale was vicar of Fressingfield in the relevant period 1640 to 1662, which could no doubt be confirmed by examining the parish registers and BTs - assuming these survive. There is also a mention of a John Patten who was schoolmaster of Fressingfield School in 1662. >> >> As I said in my earlier post, the CCEd database is a record of Church of England clergy only, and there is nothing suspicious about the absence of non-conformist ministers in this database, nor in clergy lists displayed in C of E churches. >> >> Non-conformist ministers from the mid 17th century are often much harder to track down as there may be few, if any, surviving records to consult. It may be possible to track down Meeting House certificates in the county archives, but these will not necessarily name the minister. Possibly the best source of information will be town / village histories which may mention early non-conformist places of worship, but again there may be no mention of early ministers there. >> >> Non-conformist places of worship may be 'outposts' from nearby larger towns, and if records survive from these, then there may be names of more local ministers. Also, some parish registers include the births and deaths of non-conformists in the parish, and if so, this may offer further clues. But all too often there is no surviving record of these early non-conformists. >> >> Pauline >> >> ______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/suffolk@rootsweb.com >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/suffolk@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hi Try searching books on Congregationalism on archive.org, its free to view the contents of the books and the books are searchable.You may find the History of Congregationalism and memorials of the churches in Norfolk and Suffolk by John Browne helpful. Browne provides short biographies and mentions a Samuel Habergham as pastor for Syleham, Wingfield and Fressingfield in around 1651. Anitra On 15/10/2019 11:43, Pauline & Arthur Kennedy wrote: > Although the original poster has not replied to my request for > clarification as to what they are looking for, the following may be of > use. > > The CCEd database indicates that James Fale was vicar of Fressingfield > in the relevant period 1640 to 1662, which could no doubt be confirmed > by examining the parish registers and BTs - assuming these survive. > There is also a mention of a John Patten who was schoolmaster of > Fressingfield School in 1662. > > As I said in my earlier post, the CCEd database is a record of Church > of England clergy only, and there is nothing suspicious about the > absence of non-conformist ministers in this database, nor in clergy > lists displayed in C of E churches. > > Non-conformist ministers from the mid 17th century are often much > harder to track down as there may be few, if any, surviving records to > consult. It may be possible to track down Meeting House certificates > in the county archives, but these will not necessarily name the > minister. Possibly the best source of information will be town / > village histories which may mention early non-conformist places of > worship, but again there may be no mention of early ministers there. > > Non-conformist places of worship may be 'outposts' from nearby larger > towns, and if records survive from these, then there may be names of > more local ministers. Also, some parish registers include the births > and deaths of non-conformists in the parish, and if so, this may offer > further clues. But all too often there is no surviving record of these > early non-conformists. > > Pauline > > ______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/suffolk@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY  Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal > RootsWeb community

Although the original poster has not replied to my request for clarification as to what they are looking for, the following may be of use. The CCEd database indicates that James Fale was vicar of Fressingfield in the relevant period 1640 to 1662, which could no doubt be confirmed by examining the parish registers and BTs - assuming these survive. There is also a mention of a John Patten who was schoolmaster of Fressingfield School in 1662. As I said in my earlier post, the CCEd database is a record of Church of England clergy only, and there is nothing suspicious about the absence of non-conformist ministers in this database, nor in clergy lists displayed in C of E churches. Non-conformist ministers from the mid 17th century are often much harder to track down as there may be few, if any, surviving records to consult. It may be possible to track down Meeting House certificates in the county archives, but these will not necessarily name the minister. Possibly the best source of information will be town / village histories which may mention early non-conformist places of worship, but again there may be no mention of early ministers there. Non-conformist places of worship may be 'outposts' from nearby larger towns, and if records survive from these, then there may be names of more local ministers. Also, some parish registers include the births and deaths of non-conformists in the parish, and if so, this may offer further clues. But all too often there is no surviving record of these early non-conformists. Pauline On 13/10/2019 14:56, Donna Casey via SUFFOLK wrote: > Adrian, Thanks for taking the time to reply. > Although I will again try to contact the current parish priest of Fressingfield, my experience has been the following: > I have on several occasions contacted parish churches in Sussex, Essex, and Norfolk, to ask about these 17th C Independent, Separatist, Baptist, etc., ministers who I eventually learn have served a number of churches who have plaques or records of similar on their walls or in their files.When I rec'v the images or documents from those churches, all independent minsters etc., are suspiciously missing from those records, plaques, etc.  This includes the CCEd database.Actually it isn't really suspicious...in that for example the CCEd only ostensibly is meant to represent COE ministers...but because they list a full "history beginning c1538 of those who made their living at ....." any particular parish church listed...it seems suspicious that these men are missing. > When I go to other records/publications that I eventually locate, I do indeed find the missing ministers...those who were missing in those uncovered 'records' have been Justices of the Peace or other 'government'/Cromwell assigned individuals OR Independent, Baptist, Separatist etc., ministers.In my instance for this particular list of ministers of Fressingfield, I am looking for those publications etc., like others I have located, that will give a 'full' list of all who served that parish...OR...a history that might discuss those who served the period between c1642 - 1662. > Thanks again Adrian.Appreciate your help,Donna TILLINGHAST Casey > > > "He who allows oppresion shares the crime" > Desiderius Erasmus, scholar (1466-1536) > > > On Sunday, October 13, 2019, 9:30:10 AM EDT, Adrian Pitts <adrian@thepittsfamily.co.uk> wrote: > > Have you tried contacting the current parish priest as there is likely > to be a record of previous clergy on the wall in the church. > http://fressingfield.suffolk.cloud/organisations-in-fressingfield/parish-church/ > Adrian > >> On Tuesday, 8 October 2019, 16:40:36 BST, Donna Casey via SUFFOLK >> <suffolk@rootsweb.com> wrote: >>> I am searching for the name/s of any minister/s who might have held that post with St. Peter St. Paul Fressingfield, Suffolk from about 1640 to about 1660. >>> >>> Possibly with names: >>> >>> MANNING >>> TILLINGHAST/HURST >>> >>> Can anyone help me to find any publication or web site that might help me? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Donna TILLINGHAST Casey >>> Michigan, USA >>>

I've been following this thread and am feeling increaingly confused as to what you are looking for. Are you looking for Church of England priests who were appointed to the parish church in Fressingfield? Or are you looking for non-conformist ministers who served in other places of worship within the parish? Only C of E appointments will be included in the CCEd database, but it doesn't claim to be complete - not yet anyway. Pauline On 13/10/2019 14:56, Donna Casey via SUFFOLK wrote: > Adrian, Thanks for taking the time to reply. > Although I will again try to contact the current parish priest of Fressingfield, my experience has been the following: > I have on several occasions contacted parish churches in Sussex, Essex, and Norfolk, to ask about these 17th C Independent, Separatist, Baptist, etc., ministers who I eventually learn have served a number of churches who have plaques or records of similar on their walls or in their files.When I rec'v the images or documents from those churches, all independent minsters etc., are suspiciously missing from those records, plaques, etc.  This includes the CCEd database.Actually it isn't really suspicious...in that for example the CCEd only ostensibly is meant to represent COE ministers...but because they list a full "history beginning c1538 of those who made their living at ....." any particular parish church listed...it seems suspicious that these men are missing. > When I go to other records/publications that I eventually locate, I do indeed find the missing ministers...those who were missing in those uncovered 'records' have been Justices of the Peace or other 'government'/Cromwell assigned individuals OR Independent, Baptist, Separatist etc., ministers.In my instance for this particular list of ministers of Fressingfield, I am looking for those publications etc., like others I have located, that will give a 'full' list of all who served that parish...OR...a history that might discuss those who served the period between c1642 - 1662. > Thanks again Adrian.Appreciate your help,Donna TILLINGHAST Casey > > > "He who allows oppresion shares the crime" > Desiderius Erasmus, scholar (1466-1536)

Adrian, Thanks for taking the time to reply. Although I will again try to contact the current parish priest of Fressingfield, my experience has been the following: I have on several occasions contacted parish churches in Sussex, Essex, and Norfolk, to ask about these 17th C Independent, Separatist, Baptist, etc., ministers who I eventually learn have served a number of churches who have plaques or records of similar on their walls or in their files.When I rec'v the images or documents from those churches, all independent minsters etc., are suspiciously missing from those records, plaques, etc.  This includes the CCEd database.Actually it isn't really suspicious...in that for example the CCEd only ostensibly is meant to represent COE ministers...but because they list a full "history beginning c1538 of those who made their living at ....." any particular parish church listed...it seems suspicious that these men are missing. When I go to other records/publications that I eventually locate, I do indeed find the missing ministers...those who were missing in those uncovered 'records' have been Justices of the Peace or other 'government'/Cromwell assigned individuals OR Independent, Baptist, Separatist etc., ministers.In my instance for this particular list of ministers of Fressingfield, I am looking for those publications etc., like others I have located, that will give a 'full' list of all who served that parish...OR...a history that might discuss those who served the period between c1642 - 1662. Thanks again Adrian.Appreciate your help,Donna TILLINGHAST Casey   "He who allows oppresion shares the crime" Desiderius Erasmus, scholar (1466-1536) On Sunday, October 13, 2019, 9:30:10 AM EDT, Adrian Pitts <adrian@thepittsfamily.co.uk> wrote: Have you tried contacting the current parish priest as there is likely to be a record of previous clergy on the wall in the church. http://fressingfield.suffolk.cloud/organisations-in-fressingfield/parish-church/ Adrian > On Tuesday, 8 October 2019, 16:40:36 BST, Donna Casey via SUFFOLK > <suffolk@rootsweb.com> wrote: >> I am searching for the name/s of any minister/s who might have held that post with St. Peter St. Paul Fressingfield, Suffolk from about 1640 to about 1660. >> >> Possibly with names: >> >> MANNING >> TILLINGHAST/HURST >> >> Can anyone help me to find any publication or web site that might help me? >> >> Thanks, >> Donna TILLINGHAST Casey >> Michigan, USA >> _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/suffolk@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Have you tried contacting the current parish priest as there is likely to be a record of previous clergy on the wall in the church. http://fressingfield.suffolk.cloud/organisations-in-fressingfield/parish-church/ Adrian > On Tuesday, 8 October 2019, 16:40:36 BST, Donna Casey via SUFFOLK > <suffolk@rootsweb.com> wrote: >> I am searching for the name/s of any minister/s who might have held that post with St. Peter St. Paul Fressingfield, Suffolk from about 1640 to about 1660. >> >> Possibly with names: >> >> MANNING >> TILLINGHAST/HURST >> >> Can anyone help me to find any publication or web site that might help me? >> >> Thanks, >> Donna TILLINGHAST Casey >> Michigan, USA >>

Thank you so much David. When I get back home I will look into all of this and I will report on what I have found. Thank you so much for taking the time to send all that information. Donna Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 11, 2019, at 7:47 AM, David Gobbitt via SUFFOLK <suffolk@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Hi Donna > > It could be worth asking the Suffolk Record Office at Bury St Edmunds to check for any mention of Fressingfield in the 10-page publication "The county of Suffolke divided into fourteene precincts for classicall Presbyteries together with the names of the ministers and others nominated by the committee of the said county..." (https://suffolk.spydus.co.uk/cgi-bin/spydus.exe/ENQ/OPAC/BIBENQ?BRN=913975). It was printed in 1647 but the title is prefixed in other catalogues with an earlier date: November 5th, 1645. > > The following passage was published in 2016 on page 70 of "East Anglia and the Hopkins Trials, 1645-1647: a County Guide" (http://practitioners.exeter.ac.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Eastanglianwitchtrialappendix2.pdf) by Dr Peter Elmer (Honorary Senior Research Fellow, University of Exeter): > > "Fressingfield was a parish with a long history of puritan dissent. During the 1630s, much of this was probably aimed at the minister James Fale [c.1602-1678] who was eventually sequestrated some time in the 1640s. ... In the changed atmosphere of August 1642, Fale was ordered to admit two lecturers at Fressingfield and he was probably sequestrated shortly afterwards. In the interim, the sequestrators struggled to find a replacement and were still trying to make an appointment in 1647. Religious divisions within the ruling puritan elite were almost certainly responsible for the delay. In the early 1650s, an active congregational meeting was being held in the village when the fifth monarchist John Tillinghast (1604-1655) was invited to act as pastor (he declined). Fale was finally restored in 1660..." > > One of the sources cited by Dr Elmer (Redstone, 'Presbyterian Church Government in Suffolk, 1643-1647', 163, 169) has been made available online by the Suffolk Institute of Archaeology & History (http://suffolkinstitute.pdfsrv.co.uk/customers/Suffolk%20Institute/2014/01/10/Volume%20XIII%20Part%202%20(1908)_Presbyterian%20Church%20Government%20in%20Suffolk%201643-1647%20V%20B%20Redstone_133%20to%20175.pdf). > > Other items in the Institute's "Proceedings" include biographical details of James Fale (vicar of Fressingfield 1629-43 and 1660-71) on page 40 of "Sequestrations in Suffolk" (1925) by R. Freeman Bullen (http://suffolkinstitute.pdfsrv.co.uk/customers/Suffolk%20Institute/2014/01/10/Volume%20XIX%20Part%201%20(1925)_Sequestrations%20in%20Suffolk%20R%20F%20Bullen_15%20to%2051.pdf) and "The Sancrofts" (1888/1889) by John James Raven (http://suffolkinstitute.pdfsrv.co.uk/customers/Suffolk%20Institute/2014/01/10/Volume%20VII%20Part%201%20(1889)_The%20Sancrofts%20(Read%208%20Jun%201888)%20J%20J%20Raven_69%20to%2076.pdf), stating on page 73 that "James Fale ... was ejected apparently in 1643 (his latest entry in the register before ejectment is February 16th, 1642-3, but the evidence is complicated by his having kept a private paper register, which no longer exists)". > > David > > On Tuesday, 8 October 2019, 16:40:36 BST, Donna Casey via SUFFOLK <suffolk@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > I am searching for the name/s of any minister/s who might have held that post with St. Peter St. Paul Fressingfield, Suffolk from about 1640 to about 1660. > > Possibly with names: > > MANNING > TILLINGHAST/HURST > > Can anyone help me to find any publication or web site that might help me? > > Thanks, > Donna TILLINGHAST Casey > Michigan, USA > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/suffolk@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hi Donna It could be worth asking the Suffolk Record Office at Bury St Edmunds to check for any mention of Fressingfield in the 10-page publication "The county of Suffolke divided into fourteene precincts for classicall Presbyteries together with the names of the ministers and others nominated by the committee of the said county..." (https://suffolk.spydus.co.uk/cgi-bin/spydus.exe/ENQ/OPAC/BIBENQ?BRN=913975). It was printed in 1647 but the title is prefixed in other catalogues with an earlier date: November 5th, 1645. The following passage was published in 2016 on page 70 of "East Anglia and the Hopkins Trials, 1645-1647: a County Guide" (http://practitioners.exeter.ac.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Eastanglianwitchtrialappendix2.pdf) by Dr Peter Elmer (Honorary Senior Research Fellow, University of Exeter): "Fressingfield was a parish with a long history of puritan dissent. During the 1630s, much of this was probably aimed at the minister James Fale [c.1602-1678] who was eventually sequestrated some time in the 1640s. ... In the changed atmosphere of August 1642, Fale was ordered to admit two lecturers at Fressingfield and he was probably sequestrated shortly afterwards. In the interim, the sequestrators struggled to find a replacement and were still trying to make an appointment in 1647. Religious divisions within the ruling puritan elite were almost certainly responsible for the delay. In the early 1650s, an active congregational meeting was being held in the village when the fifth monarchist John Tillinghast (1604-1655) was invited to act as pastor (he declined). Fale was finally restored in 1660..." One of the sources cited by Dr Elmer (Redstone, 'Presbyterian Church Government in Suffolk, 1643-1647', 163, 169) has been made available online by the Suffolk Institute of Archaeology & History (http://suffolkinstitute.pdfsrv.co.uk/customers/Suffolk%20Institute/2014/01/10/Volume%20XIII%20Part%202%20(1908)_Presbyterian%20Church%20Government%20in%20Suffolk%201643-1647%20V%20B%20Redstone_133%20to%20175.pdf). Other items in the Institute's "Proceedings" include biographical details of James Fale (vicar of Fressingfield 1629-43 and 1660-71) on page 40 of "Sequestrations in Suffolk" (1925) by R. Freeman Bullen (http://suffolkinstitute.pdfsrv.co.uk/customers/Suffolk%20Institute/2014/01/10/Volume%20XIX%20Part%201%20(1925)_Sequestrations%20in%20Suffolk%20R%20F%20Bullen_15%20to%2051.pdf) and "The Sancrofts" (1888/1889) by John James Raven (http://suffolkinstitute.pdfsrv.co.uk/customers/Suffolk%20Institute/2014/01/10/Volume%20VII%20Part%201%20(1889)_The%20Sancrofts%20(Read%208%20Jun%201888)%20J%20J%20Raven_69%20to%2076.pdf), stating on page 73 that "James Fale ... was ejected apparently in 1643 (his latest entry in the register before ejectment is February 16th, 1642-3, but the evidence is complicated by his having kept a private paper register, which no longer exists)". David On Tuesday, 8 October 2019, 16:40:36 BST, Donna Casey via SUFFOLK <suffolk@rootsweb.com> wrote:  I am searching for the name/s of any minister/s who might have held that post with St. Peter St. Paul Fressingfield, Suffolk from about 1640 to about 1660. Possibly with names: MANNING TILLINGHAST/HURST Can anyone help me to find any publication or web site that might help me? Thanks, Donna TILLINGHAST Casey Michigan, USA

No Val, you replied correctly as my query initially was stated.However, the CCEd database (beginning as early as 1642 thru 1660) has "camouflaged", eliminated, or never entered any rectors during those years that had such as Baptist, Fifth Monarchist, or other Separatist 'leanings', as well as any Puritan rectors, whether of Separatist conventicle groups, or those trying to work within the church to make changes that were opposed to any 'popish' effects. So my initial inquiry should have been more clear in that I was searching for any parish record book histories etc., or local archived lists of any/ 'all' rectors who 'made a living' at that Fressingfield parish church in the years 1642 - 1660. Take care and thanks very much for taking the time to reply. Donna  "He who allows oppresion shares the crime" Desiderius Erasmus, scholar (1466-1536) On Wednesday, October 9, 2019, 9:46:14 AM EDT, Val <val@dagley.plus.com> wrote: Hi Donna,   I saw your question on Roots but I’m not sure if I replied correctly.   Anyway the clergy data base has James Fale or Vale as rector of Fressingfield from 1625-1662   https://theclergydatabase.org.uk/jsp/search/index.jsp   Best wishes   Val   Sent from Mail for Windows 10  

My apologies to all on the list. I should have mentioned that the CCEd database was checked by me.... But that database does not ever include any Separatists, Non-conformists, etc., on that list. They were omitted during that Civil War/Protector period (c1642 - 1660). My query should have noted that I was looking for any list or church archived record/s that might include other than COE or Anglican ministers during that period Often the lists are very void of those that actually held the post during that time. Val, Thank you VERY much for taking the time to respond. Very kind of you. Thanks, Donna "He who allows oppresion shares the crime" Desiderius Erasmus, scholar (1466-1536) On Wednesday, October 9, 2019, 7:47:24 AM EDT, Val <val@dagley.plus.com> wrote: Hi  Donna The clergy data base has James Fale or Vale 1629-1678 https://theclergydatabase.org.uk/jsp/search/index.jsp Val Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: suffolk-request@rootsweb.com Sent: 09 October 2019 09:34 To: suffolk@rootsweb.com Subject: SUFFOLK Digest, Vol 14, Issue 73 Send SUFFOLK mailing list submissions to suffolk@rootsweb.com To subscribe via email send a message with subject subscribe and body subscribe to suffolk-request@rootsweb.com To unsubscribe via email send a message with subject unsubscribe and body unsubscribe to suffolk-request@rootsweb.com You can reach the person managing the list at suffolk-owner@rootsweb.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of SUFFOLK digest..." Today's Topics:   1. List of St. Peter St Paul Fressingfield parish church rectors/vicars/ministers c1640 - 1660?       (Donna Casey) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2019 15:37:50 +0000 (UTC) From: Donna Casey <donnacasey@yahoo.com> Subject: [SFK-UK] List of St.  Peter St Paul Fressingfield parish     church rectors/vicars/ministers c1640 - 1660? To: "suffolk@rootsweb.com" <suffolk@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <384944747.5527566.1570549070898@mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I am searching for the name/s of any minister/s who might have held that post with St. Peter St. Paul Fressingfield, Suffolk from about 1640 to about 1660. Possibly with names: MANNING TILLINGHAST/HURST Can anyone help me to find any publication or web site that might help me? Thanks, Donna TILLINGHAST Casey Michigan, USA "He who allows oppresion shares the crime" Desiderius Erasmus, scholar (1466-1536) ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer To contact the SUFFOLK list administrator, send an email to suffolk-owner@rootsweb.com To post a message to the SUFFOLK mailing list -- suffolk@rootsweb.com, send an email to suffolk@rootsweb.com __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to suffolk-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. ------------------------------ End of SUFFOLK Digest, Vol 14, Issue 73 *************************************** _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/suffolk@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY  Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hi Donna The clergy data base has James Fale or Vale 1629-1678 https://theclergydatabase.org.uk/jsp/search/index.jsp Val Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: suffolk-request@rootsweb.com Sent: 09 October 2019 09:34 To: suffolk@rootsweb.com Subject: SUFFOLK Digest, Vol 14, Issue 73 Send SUFFOLK mailing list submissions to suffolk@rootsweb.com To subscribe via email send a message with subject subscribe and body subscribe to suffolk-request@rootsweb.com To unsubscribe via email send a message with subject unsubscribe and body unsubscribe to suffolk-request@rootsweb.com You can reach the person managing the list at suffolk-owner@rootsweb.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of SUFFOLK digest..." Today's Topics: 1. List of St. Peter St Paul Fressingfield parish church rectors/vicars/ministers c1640 - 1660? (Donna Casey) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2019 15:37:50 +0000 (UTC) From: Donna Casey <donnacasey@yahoo.com> Subject: [SFK-UK] List of St. Peter St Paul Fressingfield parish church rectors/vicars/ministers c1640 - 1660? To: "suffolk@rootsweb.com" <suffolk@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <384944747.5527566.1570549070898@mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I am searching for the name/s of any minister/s who might have held that post with St. Peter St. Paul Fressingfield, Suffolk from about 1640 to about 1660. Possibly with names: MANNING TILLINGHAST/HURST Can anyone help me to find any publication or web site that might help me? Thanks, Donna TILLINGHAST Casey Michigan, USA "He who allows oppresion shares the crime" Desiderius Erasmus, scholar (1466-1536) ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer To contact the SUFFOLK list administrator, send an email to suffolk-owner@rootsweb.com To post a message to the SUFFOLK mailing list -- suffolk@rootsweb.com, send an email to suffolk@rootsweb.com __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to suffolk-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. ------------------------------ End of SUFFOLK Digest, Vol 14, Issue 73 ***************************************

I am searching for the name/s of any minister/s who might have held that post with St. Peter St. Paul Fressingfield, Suffolk from about 1640 to about 1660. Possibly with names: MANNING TILLINGHAST/HURST Can anyone help me to find any publication or web site that might help me? Thanks, Donna TILLINGHAST Casey Michigan, USA "He who allows oppresion shares the crime" Desiderius Erasmus, scholar (1466-1536)

Hi I am writing to provide an update on the 1891 Suffolk FreeCen project. Another piece has been uploaded to the on line database and is now searchable for free on the main freecen site at http://www.freecen.org.uk This is piece RG121444 Sudbury which covers the parishes of Boxted, Cavendish, Glemsford, Hartest, Hawkedon, Lawshall, Lawshall Green, Shimpling, Somerton, Stanstead This means that there are now 336,171 (93.7%) 1891 Suffolk census records available to search free on line. Many thanks to all the volunteers who have given their time freely to help the project without their help this information would not be available. Best wishes Bev -- Bev Howlett FreeCen Co-Ordinator Norfolk 1861,1871,1891 Suffolk 1841, 1871, 1891 Cambridge 1861, 1891 Surrey 1871,1891 Find Out How To Help http://www.freecen.org.uk

Hi Anita; i knew about the Rev. Sparrow and kept him in the back ground so to speak. Sarah's father John was buried at Mickfield 26 Apr. 1776 age 68 and this would take his birth to 1707. Sarah and her husband Robert are also buried at Mickfield. You are correct in that the Marriage Bonds for Robert and Sarah doe's state John as being a farmer. Bob On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 8:25 PM Anitra Baxter via SUFFOLK < suffolk@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hi Bob, > > I don’t have the baptism records for Kettleburgh nor am I researching > the Sparrow family, but I believe the following information will help > you dismiss Kettleburgh John as your man. > > From the parish register of Rushbrooke: > > The Rev John Sparrow of Kettleburgh and Mrs Mary Scot of Gedding married > 26^th May 1743 > > From the parish registers of Kettleburgh: > > Buried Mary Sparrow 22 Apr 1754, wife of the Rev John > Buried Sarah Sparrow 09 Oct 1765, daughter of the Rev John > Buried Elizabeth Sparrow 19 Feb 1767, daughter of the Rev John and Mary > Buried John Sparrow 07 Mar 1786 rector of the parish – I would think > this is the John born 1707 Kettleburgh > > Information for Sarah Sparrow’s marriage indicated her farther John was > a farmer and the pair stated they were from Aldham.I can find no burials > for the Sparrow family in Aldham.I suspect, John as a farmer rented land > for a period of time before moving on. > > Anitra > > On 12/09/2019 16:02, Robert Stephenson wrote: > > Hello everyone; as i live in Canada i cannot do this lookup. I am hoping > > their is someone who is either going to the records office or would go go > > for me. Although i do have the baptism for my 5 x g. grandmother SARAH > > SPARROW STEPHENSON i do need an actual copy of the page for the baptism. > My > > reason for this is, there are STEPHENSON family tree's out there who > think > > the father of Sarah SPARROW is someone different than John SPARROW. > > I would like to ask if there is anyone researching the SPARROW line with > a > > John SPARROW b: 1707 at Kettleburg , Suffolk with parents Robert SPARROW > > and Ann Foster. I believe this John SPARROW to be the father of Sarah > > SPARROW STEPHENSON . Please contact me . > > > > Bob > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/suffolk@rootsweb.com > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > > > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/suffolk@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

Hi Bob, I don’t have the baptism records for Kettleburgh nor am I researching the Sparrow family, but I believe the following information will help you dismiss Kettleburgh John as your man. From the parish register of Rushbrooke: The Rev John Sparrow of Kettleburgh and Mrs Mary Scot of Gedding married 26^th May 1743 From the parish registers of Kettleburgh: Buried Mary Sparrow 22 Apr 1754, wife of the Rev John Buried Sarah Sparrow 09 Oct 1765, daughter of the Rev John Buried Elizabeth Sparrow 19 Feb 1767, daughter of the Rev John and Mary Buried John Sparrow 07 Mar 1786 rector of the parish – I would think this is the John born 1707 Kettleburgh Information for Sarah Sparrow’s marriage indicated her farther John was a farmer and the pair stated they were from Aldham.I can find no burials for the Sparrow family in Aldham.I suspect, John as a farmer rented land for a period of time before moving on. Anitra On 12/09/2019 16:02, Robert Stephenson wrote: > Hello everyone; as i live in Canada i cannot do this lookup. I am hoping > their is someone who is either going to the records office or would go go > for me. Although i do have the baptism for my 5 x g. grandmother SARAH > SPARROW STEPHENSON i do need an actual copy of the page for the baptism. My > reason for this is, there are STEPHENSON family tree's out there who think > the father of Sarah SPARROW is someone different than John SPARROW. > I would like to ask if there is anyone researching the SPARROW line with a > John SPARROW b: 1707 at Kettleburg , Suffolk with parents Robert SPARROW > and Ann Foster. I believe this John SPARROW to be the father of Sarah > SPARROW STEPHENSON . Please contact me . > > Bob > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/suffolk@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community >

Hello everyone; as i live in Canada i cannot do this lookup. I am hoping their is someone who is either going to the records office or would go go for me. Although i do have the baptism for my 5 x g. grandmother SARAH SPARROW STEPHENSON i do need an actual copy of the page for the baptism. My reason for this is, there are STEPHENSON family tree's out there who think the father of Sarah SPARROW is someone different than John SPARROW. I would like to ask if there is anyone researching the SPARROW line with a John SPARROW b: 1707 at Kettleburg , Suffolk with parents Robert SPARROW and Ann Foster. I believe this John SPARROW to be the father of Sarah SPARROW STEPHENSON . Please contact me . Bob